The 99 hand I dunno what he'd raise the KKJhh board with other than a draw or a bluff, I can beat them both. I can't flat his raise OOP because I'll have to c/f loads of turns so just went for it. Should have folded though because the turn and river were both hearts Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Yes I think so, I never really know what I'm gonna do tbh but I can bluff the turn if he checks again and I got no value hand/sd value.
edit* - Only been playing this V about 20 mins, on 1 table. He's not on any of my other 4/5, so even if he is thinking about my hands he wont have much info to use. None in 4b pots.
In Response to Re: Final hand, thoughts on my line? Snap call river yes? : Not really, not on this flop - you want oppo to over value their hand rarther than scare em off surely think on paired flops your checking range can be quite wide Posted by rancid
yeah but most players in this spot are gonna be betting their bluffs. So you need to bet your made hands too. If i was villain and hero checked flop here, I'd know he has a hand and that he's not gonna fold to any turn or river bet with the pot as it is
In Response to Re: Final hand, thoughts on my line? Snap call river yes? : This is what I thought/think also............ Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Maybe our thought process is outdated and people just bet whole range on these flops when 4 bet pre, and no one takes the line of 4 bet bluffing pre, rep big hand by checking and then betting turn for folds :S As we know if you check flop everyone thinks you have AA/KK ) So is really betting flop with value & bluffs really worthwhile if our checking range is equally transparent as our betting range Intresting that certain players (beaneh/lol_raise) advocating betting small on flop. maybe to induse c/r - not sure maybe they can enlighten the masses
still think it's oppo dependant if we bet or check flop, versus spew peel or trap pre - it's a check ) Do we really think oppo is bad enough for u to bet this flop and oppo going to get it with worse than 1010 - the only upside to betting flop for us is if oppo flats 4 bet pre with QQ/KK to trap us
Also the flop ain't wet, can't see oppo c/r with draws even though it's obviously how oppo plays draws :S Unless oppo may c/r bluffs or hands we beat - but obviously will c/r hands we don't beat ! Can't really see oppo c/r hands we beat though- oppo may peel light pre but have we any info that he will c/r bluffs or hands we beat in this spot -
...........mmmmmmmmmm to bet or not to bet ? That is the QUESTION !
bet small to give fe. no point betting big in an all ready big pot with stacks as they are. If you were bluffing bet around £5 and with AA bet around £5. Ideally doh would bet around £5/6 on flop, £10/11ish turn, shove river.. that's if villain flatted obv
bet small to give fe. no point betting big in an all ready big pot with stacks as they are. If you were bluffing bet around £5 and with AA bet around £5. Ideally doh would bet around £5/6 on flop, £10/11ish turn, shove river.. that's if villain flatted obv Posted by percival09
Ok I hear ya - but what hands are we offering FE - bluffs/draws - Going to be very hard for oppo to continue with stone cold bluffs when we bet, considering we 4 bet pre So we only looking to bet small and offer FE to stone cold bluffs or at a push gutshots
I see the logic in it, but surely checking induces more bluffs than just betting £5 unless oppo is a maniac with history of repping nutz!
In Response to Re: Final hand, thoughts on my line? Snap call river yes? : Ok I hear ya - but what hands are we offering FE - bluffs/draws - Going to be very hard for oppo to continue with stone cold bluffs when we bet, considering we 4 bet pre So we only looking to bet small and offer FE to stone cold bluffs or at a push gutshots I see the logic in it, but surely checking induces more bluffs than just betting £5 unless oppo is a maniac with history of repping nutz! Posted by rancid
Can't he make a bad c/r with 1010-KK?? wanting to shut the hand down..
He looks bad from the one hand you noted. People love to spew in paired flops. Bet and let him bluff or value raise with worse or call with worse. River is definitely a call as played after T7 hand
Lol at balancing in 4b pots v villain like this He looks bad from the one hand you noted. People love to spew in paired flops. Bet and let him bluff or value raise with worse or call with worse. River is definitely a call as played after T7 hand Posted by grantorino
lol at myself for mentioning balancing at all on sky pretty sure over 90% of the player base don't balance/are unaware of the concept....
People don't peel to c/f JJ7 flops Posted by grantorino
probably a very true statement, so if this is true it doesn't matter if we check or bet flop...... meh ) so is it better to bet or check to induce the bluff or value bet from oppo....
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i wouldnt fold river, we have top 2 pairs!
So is really betting flop with value & bluffs really worthwhile if our checking range is equally transparent as our betting range
Intresting that certain players (beaneh/lol_raise) advocating betting small on flop. maybe to induse c/r - not sure maybe they can enlighten the masses
still think it's oppo dependant if we bet or check flop, versus spew peel or trap pre - it's a check )
Do we really think oppo is bad enough for u to bet this flop and oppo going to get it with worse than 1010 - the only upside to betting flop for us is if oppo flats 4 bet pre with QQ/KK to trap us
Also the flop ain't wet, can't see oppo c/r with draws even though it's obviously how oppo plays draws :S
Unless oppo may c/r bluffs or hands we beat - but obviously will c/r hands we don't beat !
Can't really see oppo c/r hands we beat though-
oppo may peel light pre but have we any info that he will c/r bluffs or hands we beat in this spot -
...........mmmmmmmmmm to bet or not to bet ? That is the QUESTION !
Going to be very hard for oppo to continue with stone cold bluffs when we bet, considering we 4 bet pre
So we only looking to bet small and offer FE to stone cold bluffs or at a push gutshots
I see the logic in it, but surely checking induces more bluffs than just betting £5 unless oppo is a maniac with history of repping nutz!
Don’t think we need to worry about balance versus this oppo who peels 3 bets light
Versus any decent reg where we do need to be balanced, I am sure the 4 bet doesn’t get flatted
And if it does get flatted by decent reg, their flat very polarised if we 100bb deep.
Versus this certain oppo, it just makes sense to check,, oppo peeled light so either has a J or we want them to get it in with worse + bluffs
Can oppo c/r with a bluff, suppose yeah they could but I think less likely
could they bad c/r with pairs we beat, yeah probably but I think less likely
still think we can check flop and get stacks in by river
checking here imo is just situationalso is it better to bet or check to induce the bluff or value bet from oppo....
just depends