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FOLDED KK - it was a BRILLIANT FEELING - but now I realise it was wrong - I think!!!!
imber
Member Posts: 1,334
Last night I feel I "came of age" and did the right thing. Down to the bubble in a deepstack where I had raised x3 followed by an all in and all in!!!!!
I considered for a while - and FOLDED my KK.
AA and 55 went head to head - and the bullets took it. On the negative side I would have got a straight and taken both but I felt I had done the right thing.
I considered for a while - and FOLDED my KK.
AA and 55 went head to head - and the bullets took it. On the negative side I would have got a straight and taken both but I felt I had done the right thing.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
| jolie | Small blind |
| 200.00 | 200.00 | 13147.50 |
| scotty368 | Big blind |
| 400.00 | 600.00 | 3427.50 |
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| bungle72 | Raise |
| 800.00 | 1400.00 | 28012.50 |
| imber | Call |
| 800.00 | 2200.00 | 18212.50 |
| jolie | Fold |
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| scotty368 | All-in |
| 3427.50 | 5627.50 | 0.00 |
| bungle72 | All-in |
| 28012.50 | 33640.00 | 0.00 |
| imber | Fold |
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| bungle72 | Unmatched bet |
| 24985.00 | 8655.00 | 24985.00 |
| scotty368 | Show |
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| scotty368 | Win | Three Aces | 8655.00 |
| 8655.00 |
Comments
I can see where you're coming from. You've folded a premium hand and feel like you have crossed a boundary in your thinking....
However, the bubble shouldn't affect your play. Looking at stack sizes of other players could easily have made this a call for you as the real aim is to top three, some would say win, not just to cash. I've played at the same table as you and felt tha you played the game well as far as i could gather. A double up may have allowed your game to widen, bully a little and FT. In every T there are going to be min 3 lucky pots for you if you are to FT.
Gl at the tables...see you in DTD eh?
This is a hand I noted down last night.
Totally different, this is the easiest fold ever, but got a shock when I saw I would have been ahead!
I had alot of outs to cheer for tho.
Sorry Imber to put something to Him, instead. I don't play cash but could you try to give me a run through of yours thouhts in he hand and what the others may have been doing. Tell me if this is ok? You thought a set was out there presumably. One player chucks in with third pair but looks like an 'end of bi' w/ 3rd pr. Call from winlose suggests what it is maybe top /middle pr then Shanks has oesd with just 8 outs so about 32%, yes? His raise gives4 to 1 odds to winlose to call so he must, yes? I know shanks is avery good reg but i don't understand why he does that or even why you fold. Mind thats cash and as i say, i don't play. It seems to have a different vibe about it.
& U HAVE 2 BLOCKERS LOL
I know it says Shanks bet £27 but it's irrelevant because WinLose only has the £12 he's put in plus the £5 behind. So basically when he shoves he knows WinLose will call, so he is paying £17 to win a pot of £55 so it just about +EV and his outs are almost certain to be clean outs.
Knowing the result it was a great read, very well played Imber.
Personally I'd find it almost impossible to fold pocket KK at any stage of a tournament in which stacks are relatively shallow, as is always the case on the bubble. I'd only hesitate to consider it perhaps if the second shover was mega-uber-super-tight and was putting his tournament life on the line on the stone-cold bubble.
Everybody is different as you say. My prefered approach; whether it's the bubble or not I'm prepared to take any calculated risk that may win me a potentially tournament winning stack. After all, one win is worth more than many min-cashes, so in my opinion the risk/reward ratio makes getting the chips in the middle the most profitable option over the long run.
If you folded because the situation and your gut told you he had AA, then it's a good fold. Was the large stack 1st or 2nd all-in?
PS I knew you'd opened a can of worms Imber. Haha. Mind its lovely to have dodged a bullet isn't it? cheers
I'm not defending him but we have very little info, we don't even know which one shoved first. If the shorty shoved first then it's perfectly believable the big stack was isolating with AQ/AK, PPs maybe something like 88-JJ.
Whereas if the big stack shoved first, there is none of that dynamic but then would be a strange move for a really big stack to just 3bet shove against a fellow big stack unless they're known to make terrible calls.
I also don't know anything abuot the BI of the tourney or the payout structure. Granted the BI should technically not make any difference but to some players if min-cashing is for example £300, then it makes a big difference. But the payout structure is fairly important. I remember some of the tournies used to run would pay quite well but very few places, like the Survivor used to be usually top 3 paid, something like £500, £350, £150, so in that case, taking a +EV line, may be a -$EV decision.