This is a brillant read and a very good fold,we play to win but we also play to cash, and being the bubble with 2 allins it could be easy to put one of them on aces, which this time u were right so very gd fold sir. Dont get the negative players saying its a wrong play,we play the game and have to make diffucult decisions all the time in a game and this as one of them,i say it takes a very gd player to lay this down.
This is a brillant read and a very good fold,we play to win but we also play to cash, and being the bubble with 2 allins it could be easy to put one of them on aces, which this time u were right so very gd fold sir. Dont get the negative players saying its a wrong play,we play the game and have to make diffucult decisions all the time in a game and this as one of them,i say it takes a very gd player to lay this down. Posted by CHILLIE
ive seen this in a cash game as well 2 players get it all in ljamesl with ks lays them down and this morning in a dym, 1 player shoves aq next calls with aces player3 on the bubble folds ks lol as much as u want proved the right fold every time.
chillie tbf i dnt thinkit takes a really good player to make this fold all depends on how much u need the cash i think if imber had a decnt bankroll and not fussed about a min cash or not i think he would call this easily in other words if this was my last money on my account and want more monies to play with i woud fold to ladder up and make a cash if i had like a nice roll and this tourney doesnt mean to much to my bankroll im making the call all day long i dunno where imber is in the situation so i cant comment it is a tight fold i dnt think i could make it i did say welldone for folding kings in this situation i couldnt tho Posted by IDONKCALLU
was not a bankroll issue idonk - but it is frustrating to bubble after two and a half hours slog. I would not have posted if deep down i didn't think I had made a negative move (voluntarily) based on the "feel" of the game. Surely it is an indication of "mega hands" at bubble if TWO players out of four before your shout go all-in. I would have folded without a second thought if it was a DYM.
So the ones who called it a bad fold are having a laugh at the others? A scenario for you. A goalkeeper in a penalty shootout faces 5 penalties. First 4 are scored to his left. 5th one he dives to his right and saves it. Would you say that was wrong he should have dived to the left even though he saved it? Under those circumstances it was the correct move and so it was with Imber under those specific circumstances. Give him credit for that please.
ive seen this in a cash game as well 2 players get it all in ljamesl with ks lays them down and this morning in a dym, 1 player shoves aq next calls with aces player3 on the bubble folds ks lol as much as u want proved the right fold every time. Posted by CHILLIE
thanx for that chillie - if it's good enough for ljamesl it's good enough for me!!
So the ones who called it a bad fold are having a laugh at the others? A scenario for you. A goalkeeper in a penalty shootout faces 5 penalties. First 4 are scored to his left. 5th one he dives to his right and saves it. Would you say that was wrong he should have dived to the left even though he saved it? Under those circumstances it was the correct move and so it was with Imber under those specific circumstances. Give him credit for that please. Posted by FlyingDagg
don't worry about my feelings dagg - i'm busy taking notes - as a punter i have been to loads of race meetings where people only back favourites and then complain when they lose - rather than realise there is no such thing as a certainty!!!
ive seen this in a cash game as well 2 players get it all in ljamesl with ks lays them down and this morning in a dym, 1 player shoves aq next calls with aces player3 on the bubble folds ks lol as much as u want proved the right fold every time. Posted by CHILLIE
To be fair, cash is a completely different kettle of fish because you're not playing for 2 hours with an end goal of probably 20- 30 times what you paid to get in. And DYMs are even more so a different kettle of fish with regards to bubble play because there's only 1 flat payout.
So the ones who called it a bad fold are having a laugh at the others? A scenario for you. A goalkeeper in a penalty shootout faces 5 penalties. First 4 are scored to his left. 5th one he dives to his right and saves it. Would you say that was wrong he should have dived to the left even though he saved it? Under those circumstances it was the correct move and so it was with Imber under those specific circumstances. Give him credit for that please. Posted by FlyingDagg
I don't know if it was good or bad, but I'm pretty sure those saying it was bad are referring to the specific circumstance that Imber was in.
managed to post the hand now - sorry don't know how to post colour and suits version - but it shows you what I did and how i stood at the time. My recollection was slightly wrong as my first bet was a call to the UTG bet - but other facts seem about right!!!!!!!!!!
Think your read was not right anyway, the first shover had the aces - you was calling the first shover ? the 2nd shover was your concern as they have a mega stack and they had 55
Apolgises if I read it incoorect, post the HH - easyier reading
shove and re shove doesn't mean it's AA always obviously
your going to be ahead the majority so it's a snap call me thinks
edit: just seen HH, raise inintal min raise and snap any shove behind when oppo iso shoves with 55, makes KK an easy snap
As played you're so under-repped, you look like dead money and UTG will expect you to fold almost always to his shove, thus his range becomes alot wider, and therefore the call is much easier for you!
If you snap call his shove, it's actually a very well played hand.
having looked at the hand history again - i concede that the big stack was probably (or almost definitely) trying to shut me out with a weaker pair or similar - and therefore I probably did over-react. Mind you I am happy to learn - and do not regret that i would have cleaned up with the straight!!
As rancid stated, imbers read was wrong. The player who he thought had AA re-isolated with 55.
FWIW I am not trying to have a 'laugh' at someone or slating someone on there play for the sake of it. Imber has obviously put this hand up to get peoples thoughts and advice. The reason I'm making such a point as to why this is such a shocking fold is so imber does not think this is a correct move and repeat it in the future. This is why people should stop giving him credit for what was a very bad fold.
In Response to Re: FOLDED KK - WHAT A BRILLIANT FEELING!!!!!! : thanx for that chillie - if it's good enough for ljamesl it's good enough for me!! Posted by imber
That was a totally different situation tbh. If I remember rightly they all had deep stacks.
Late on in an MTT I could never fold K/K in your spot.
I may think about it if the min cash meant a huge difference to my bankroll.
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Funny thread
Run this as situation as many times as you like, your gonna feel like a right plonker when they turn over anything but aces the majority of the time
Gl gg
So the ones who called it a bad fold are having a laugh at the others? A scenario for you. A goalkeeper in a penalty shootout faces 5 penalties. First 4 are scored to his left. 5th one he dives to his right and saves it. Would you say that was wrong he should have dived to the left even though he saved it? Under those circumstances it was the correct move and so it was with Imber under those specific circumstances. Give him credit for that please.
the 2nd shover was your concern as they have a mega stack and they had 55
Apolgises if I read it incoorect, post the HH - easyier reading
shove and re shove doesn't mean it's AA always obviously
your going to be ahead the majority so it's a snap call me thinks
edit: just seen HH, raise inintal min raise and snap any shove behind
when oppo iso shoves with 55, makes KK an easy snap
Yeah, having seen the hand now - I would call.
Late on in an MTT I could never fold K/K in your spot.
I may think about it if the min cash meant a huge difference to my bankroll.