By the way, great to see people voting for each option and explaining - Each post kind of makes me agree, until the next one. Basically I've said how I'd have thought about it but I could be swayed Posted by Majj
Yes yes yes - me too. It's excellent to see such a wide range of opinions, & all of them very well articulated. If we can't improve our games from this sort of thing, then we are basket cases.
And I wonder how many people who originally scoffed at the notion of flat-calling are now having second thoughts after reading Scotty's Post?......Scotty learnt his poker not from Harrington, but from the Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy I fancy, he's so left-field, but he DOES make you think......
In Response to Re: Master Cash Episode # 2 - Make Your Play - ONE. : press the vote button then you fish. my lonely 1 vote for call is looking very silly to all the million votes for raise, submitted by tournie players who have no idea how to play 140bb deep. Posted by scotty77
Yah but I don't agree with doing a victory dance fist-pump on any non spade turn, as they're probably not going to try and get it in on the turn after we flat a Donk-bet and a raise /w like KsTs or 8s7s or whatever.
If SB flat's and the turn bricks and then SB leads, i'd probably fold to anything 1/2 pot />. If he leads less and the BB folds, I ship. If less and the BB raises, I fold. If less and the BB calls, I ship. If the SB checks, and the BB leads I probably ship also.
I think "I get it in on any non-spade turn" is a little broad, especially in a MW pot /w the described villains.
fold for me, they could have anything in the SB/BB and first to move leading out with £1 looks very strong, for that to have then been re-raised, i dont see how im ahead with just a pair of kings. So many hands that can beat me here AA KK 99 66 K9 K6 96 there could also be a flush draw and a straight draw out there
In Response to Re: Master Cash Episode # 2 - Make Your Play - ONE. : Yah but I don't agree with doing a victory dance fist-pump on any non spade turn, as they're probably not going to try and get it in on the turn after we flat a Donk-bet and a raise /w like KsTs or 8s7s or whatever. If SB flat's and the turn bricks and then SB leads, i'd probably fold to anything 1/2 pot />. If he leads less and the BB folds, I ship. If less and the BB raises, I fold. If less and the BB calls, I ship. If the SB checks, and the BB leads I probably ship also. I think "I get it in on any non-spade turn" is a little broad, especially in a MW pot /w the described villains. Posted by LadyFingrs
I also agree that this spot is quite gay and depending on the action turn I can find a fold to a blank. With how action has played it does feel like set city, however having played that limit here on Sky a lot, as a general rule top top is the nuts.
I disagree that they won't try and get it in with hands like KTss/78ss. The stacks are still 110bb turn, assuming that SB flats, giving the BB tonnes of FE plus tonnes of outs should he get called. Great spot to ship those kinda hands IMO, esp as we have played it tricky and a player at these levels won't put us on AK.
In Response to Re: Master Cash Episode # 2 - Make Your Play - ONE. : Yes yes yes - me too. It's excellent to see such a wide range of opinions, & all of them very well articulated. If we can't improve our games from this sort of thing, then we are basket cases. And I wonder how many people who originally scoffed at the notion of flat-calling are now having second thoughts after reading Scotty's Post?......Scotty learnt his poker not from Harrington, but from the Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy I fancy, he's so left-field, but he DOES make you think...... Keep the feedback coming. Posted by Tikay10
I learnt even more after playing Neil Blatchley the other night!
In Response to Re: Master Cash Episode # 2 - Make Your Play - ONE. : I learnt even more after playing Neil Blatchley the other night! Posted by scotty77
I bet you did! I guess that was at Luton. Neil was first out of the APAT European Team Championship there, on Thursday, & he told me he was gonna hang around & hope some fish arrived for a little cash-action.....
In Response to Re: Master Cash Episode # 2 - Make Your Play - ONE. : I bet you did! I guess that was at Luton. Neil was first out of the APAT European Team Championship there, on Thursday, & he told me he was gonna hang around & hope some fish arrived for a little cash-action..... Posted by Tikay10
yeah well getting in a 4bet PF to 100 with my JJ. he calls. we ship it on a 7 6 2 r flop. river 9. he had 85o. so owned. 750 pot.
great guy tho, you could tell he was a fine player, obviously 300nl is like play chips to him.
hope to play him again tho, and maybe when he is less drunk and less spewy cos it would be a challenge!
Sitting here with time to think about it and after reading evedryones posts im thinking fold, but ive answered as if i was in the game with nopt lnog to think and nobody elese opinions in my mind and im certain id be raising so thats what ive voted for
its call for me every time, theres not much that can mess up you winning the hand, so id play it slow to get the most in the pot possable, and make the BB think i havnt got such a great hand. plus if if has got the nuts its damage limitation.
The tight aggressive player - does not concern me and if it was just him, I would be looking to raise him. He is most likely playing to type.
The tight passive player - he does concern me. One he has called my raise. Might be a small pair. Not representing an ace. The fact he has come out betting, makes me think he has hit trips.
He has bet £3 into a £2.20 pot? why?, if he has hit his hand would he really re raise, Is he pushing for the flush draw?, or has a hit a 6/9 with a weak kicker? poss, I would raise, maybe even all in ask him the question, hiis decision now.
I would fold, can find alot better spots on here than this.
I hate the min raise to £6
I understand ladyfingrs and scottys reasons behind flattin the flop, and providin the sb flats aswell re-evaluating on the turn, as we would still be 100+bb deep and it's an option i'd consider if i'd been at the table a while or knew the players well
In Response to Re: Master Cash Episode # 2 - Make Your Play - ONE. : I disagree that they won't try and get it in with hands like KTss/78ss. The stacks are still 110bb turn, assuming that SB flats, giving the BB tonnes of FE plus tonnes of outs should he get called. Great spot to ship those kinda hands IMO, esp as we have played it tricky and a player at these levels won't put us on AK. Posted by scotty77
This logic clashes with itself.
We're saying that these villains are sophisticated enough to know that getting it in with KTss & 87ss is good because they're not supposed to, but can't see how face up our hand is?
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And I wonder how many people who originally scoffed at the notion of flat-calling are now having second thoughts after reading Scotty's Post?......Scotty learnt his poker not from Harrington, but from the Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy I fancy, he's so left-field, but he DOES make you think......
Keep the feedback coming.
If SB flat's and the turn bricks and then SB leads, i'd probably fold to anything 1/2 pot />. If he leads less and the BB folds, I ship. If less and the BB raises, I fold. If less and the BB calls, I ship. If the SB checks, and the BB leads I probably ship also.
I think "I get it in on any non-spade turn" is a little broad, especially in a MW pot /w the described villains.
I disagree that they won't try and get it in with hands like KTss/78ss. The stacks are still 110bb turn, assuming that SB flats, giving the BB tonnes of FE plus tonnes of outs should he get called. Great spot to ship those kinda hands IMO, esp as we have played it tricky and a player at these levels won't put us on AK.
great guy tho, you could tell he was a fine player, obviously 300nl is like play chips to him.
hope to play him again tho, and maybe when he is less drunk and less spewy cos it would be a challenge!
The tight aggressive player - does not concern me and if it was just him, I would be looking to raise him. He is most likely playing to type.
The tight passive player - he does concern me. One he has called my raise. Might be a small pair. Not representing an ace. The fact he has come out betting, makes me think he has hit trips.
Therefore I would reluctantly fold.
He has bet £3 into a £2.20 pot? why?, if he has hit his hand would he really re raise, Is he pushing for the flush draw?, or has a hit a 6/9 with a weak kicker? poss, I would raise, maybe even all in ask him the question, hiis decision now.
I hate the min raise to £6
I understand ladyfingrs and scottys reasons behind flattin the flop, and providin the sb flats aswell re-evaluating on the turn, as we would still be 100+bb deep and it's an option i'd consider if i'd been at the table a while or knew the players well
We're saying that these villains are sophisticated enough to know that getting it in with KTss & 87ss is good because they're not supposed to, but can't see how face up our hand is?