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Feedback - MTT Payout Structures

Sky_PokerSky_Poker Member Posts: 2,715
edited September 2012 in Poker Chat

Inspired by another thread, something to get your feedback on please...

Different people like different MTT payout structures in terms of the number of people paid (some like 10%, others 20%) and how it is spread - i.e. 1st gets X%, 2nd gets Y% etc.

So heres a question for you - lets imagine theres a tournament which is a £10 entry, with 100 runners and so generating a £1,000 prize pool - how would you personally pay the money out?

Please show us place by place, so the community can debate it.

Thanks
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  • Sky_PokerSky_Poker Member Posts: 2,715
    edited September 2012
    So a completely made-up example would be something like this....

    Place Paid % of Prize
    1st £25025.0%
    2nd £15015.0%
    3rd £10010.0%
    4th £808.0%
    5th £606.0%
    6th £505.0%
    7th £404.0%
    8th £404.0%
    9th £404.0%
    10th £404.0%
    11th £303.0%
    12th £303.0%
    13th £303.0%
    14th £303.0%
    15th £303.0%
    Total£1,000100.0%
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  • belsibubbelsibub Member Posts: 2,527
    edited September 2012

    Already has been here  deepstack £2.20

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  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited September 2012
    Regardless of finishing positions, i would pay it Slykllist - £1000, everyone else £0, SIMPLES
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited September 2012
    I like 10% with the majority of sky fields... but imo you need to make it more balanced.e.g. in the primo the other week 30 got paid, and 30th-11th got VERY similar payments. Think it was like 30th- £68 .. 11th -  £80 or something like that, that's just off the top of my head but it needs improving
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  • SoLackSoLack Member Posts: 2,737
    edited September 2012
    Place Paid % of Prize
    1st £35035.0%
    2nd £15015.0%
    3rd £12012.0%
    4th £10010.0%
    5th £808.0%
    6th £606.0%
    7th £505.0%
    8th £404.0%
    9th £303.0%
    10th £202.0%
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  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited September 2012
    Initial stab at this:
    PositionPayout%
    133033
    222022
    315015
    4959.5
    5656.5
    6454.5
    7303
    8252.5
    9202
    10202
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  • POKERTREVPOKERTREV Member Posts: 9,607
    edited September 2012
    The tournament below had 100 players and even though I finished 11th, I made a loss of 18p

    100 players and you have to finish in top 10 to make a profit

    £2.20 Entry ( minus 18p down)
    bandit66010£4.04 + 2 League Points
    POKERTREV011£2.02 + 1 League Points
    MACNEIL13012£2.02 + 1 League Points
    niko38013£2.02 + 1 League Points
    JTiz014£2.02 + 1 League Points
    thebil123015£2.02 + 1 League Points
    FLASHJONNY016£2.02 + 1 League Points
    moonshade017£2.02 + 1 League Points
    Deja_Vu018£2.02 + 1 League Points
    archdigger019£2.02 + 1 League Points
    COBRA207020£2.02 + 1 League Points
    Anytime you cash in these type of tournament you should at least make a profit. An 18p loss for finishing 11th out of 101 players is pretty frustrating and a lot of hard work for a minus ROI 
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  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Feedback - MTT Payout Structures:
    The tournament below had 100 players and even though I finished 11th, I made a loss of 18p 100 players and you have to finish in top 10 to make a profit £2.20 Entry ( minus 18p down) bandit66 0 10 £4.04 + 2 League Points POKERTREV 0 11 £2.02 + 1 League Points MACNEIL13 0 12 £2.02 + 1 League Points niko38 0 13 £2.02 + 1 League Points JTiz 0 14 £2.02 + 1 League Points thebil123 0 15 £2.02 + 1 League Points FLASHJONNY 0 16 £2.02 + 1 League Points moonshade 0 17 £2.02 + 1 League Points Deja_Vu 0 18 £2.02 + 1 League Points archdigger 0 19 £2.02 + 1 League Points COBRA207 0 20 £2.02 + 1 League Points Anytime you cash in these type of tournament you should at least make a profit. An 18p loss for finishing 11th out of 101 players is pretty frustrating and a lot of hard work for a minus ROI 
    Posted by POKERTREV
    100% agree Trev, I'd rather not cash at all than to get paid out and make a loss, it just shouldn't happen.
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  • j3onoj3ono Member Posts: 2,073
    edited September 2012
    so thinking 1 in 6, 16 in 100 good compared to the rest
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  • SoLackSoLack Member Posts: 2,737
    edited September 2012
    My view on number to be paid is as follows - the first 3 steps mirror current structures:

    Runners

    Number Paid

    30

    5

    50

    8

    80

    10

    120

    12

    160

    16

    200

    20

    250

    25

    300

    30

     

    Then continue in steps of 50

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  • belsibubbelsibub Member Posts: 2,527
    edited September 2012
    If you make them to top heavy mtt grinders(who think they have an edge) will be happy your average recreational player will find it -ev as they like to cash and will not play you all will loose out.
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  • cenachavcenachav Member Posts: 2,682
    edited September 2012

    +1 to SoLacks post.  Pay the top 10%.  Rewards you more for coming first. 

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  • belsibubbelsibub Member Posts: 2,527
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Feedback - MTT Payout Structures:
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    Posted by j3ono
    What % do they pay for 1st,2nd.........
    Last i heard sky paid 1st higher than most and people want more?Which reduces the payout for all the other places.
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  • j3onoj3ono Member Posts: 2,073
    edited September 2012
    1000 quid 
    16th         1.5%       £15
    15th         1.5          £15
    14th         1.5          £15
    13th         2.0       £20
    12th         3.0          £30
    11th         3.0          £30
    10th         3.5          £35
    9th           3.5          £35
    7th           4.0          £40
    6th           6.0          £60
    5th           6.5          £65
    4th           8.0          £80
    3rd           10.0        £100
    2nd          17.5        £175
    1st           32           £320
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  • Woogie8688Woogie8688 Member Posts: 811
    edited September 2012
    Just to be awkward I would use Solacks structure with regard to the numbers paid

    I would then prefer a payout structure more in line with that suggested by Slykllist
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited September 2012
    top 10% is good, and don't start the pay out with a min cash - so annoying :(

    seriously min cash payouts are just pointless imo





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  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited September 2012
    Ahhhhhhh.... links to other poker sites........ Sky are going to pleased they started this thread, lol
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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited September 2012
    I don't think the payout structure needs much changing apart from around the min-cash area (Which is where I seem to spend most my time atm!) for example, 100 runners is normally 20 paid and like others have said 11th - 20th normally make a loss. If they changed it to 15 paid, up to maybe 150 then it can go 20 paid. All the extra moneyz can be split between the min cashers (so a 100 runner tourney it would go onto the 11th - 15th prizes) so they don't make a loss.
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited September 2012
    It's pretty good as it is when fields are 99 or less, but needs more bands at 100+ imo. The ridiculously small min-cashes crop up when fields are just over 100, or just over 200. 

    In my opinion it's barmy that 10 get paid if there are 99 entrants, then jumps up to 20 paid if just 1 more player buys in (100 entrants).

    I'd suggest more bands from 100+ with around 15% getting paid.

    Say;

    100-119 runners 15 paid
    120-139 runners 18 paid
    140-159 runners 21 paid 
    160-199 runners 24 paid

    etc. 
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  • POKERTREVPOKERTREV Member Posts: 9,607
    edited September 2012
    100 Runner £10.00 Entry
    PositionPayoutPrize % Split
    1£260.0026
    2£160.0016
    3£110.0011
    4£80.008
    5£70.007
    6£60.006
    7£40.004
    8£40.004
    9£30.003
    10£30.003
    11£20.002
    12£20.002
    13£20.002
    14£20.002
    15£20.002
    16£20.002
      100
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