I don't think KT is a terrible hand to call the raise with, I just said I'd fold. That's because I hardly call with anything out of the blinds. Is that optimal? I dunno. Posted by BorinLoner
There are good arguments for folding or calling pre. Maybe I shouldnt 3b with my lack of reads. I still think KT is a better hand to 3bet with than 72, assuming you are not happy to flat with KT
In Response to Re: What to do : Yeah, you could argue its strong enough to call. I'm not so sure oop, which is why I decided to turn it into a bluff. Im oop, villain has initiative and I have a mediocre hand and not great reads Posted by grantorino
This is what I think but I see it as reason to fold, not to 3-bet. When we 3-bet and are called, we're still out of position, we still have a mediocre hand and we still have not great reads. Obviously sometimes we get the fold but without those reads anytime we build a big pot in this situation we're going to find it tricky. Making a 3-bet is going to lead to big pots. I don't mind 3-betting if we know that our opponent is going to fold to either the 3-bet or a c-bet alot of the time. I don't like 3-betting the hand if our opponents going to put us to difficult decisions. We don't know which of those things he might be doing.
Do we really need to complicate things? Can we not just make the game easy and fold in these situations?
In Response to Re: What to do : There are good arguments for folding or calling pre. Maybe I shouldnt 3b with my lack of reads. I still think KT is a better hand to 3bet with than 72, assuming you are not happy to flat with KT Posted by grantorino
As I say, 72 is an extreme example. One I used in order to highlight the point. Hands like unsuited connectors, one/two-gappers, etc. would be better. Generally I'd want it to be a hand I'm not going to face tough decisions with if I hit one-pair.
I think this more than anything else really, start getting out of line when you have your reads written down until then use a nice simple default 3B strategy.
Calling or treating KT as air depends on how comfortable you are playing against wide button openers imo oop. When I say wide i'm thinking like opening every button that is folded to villain.
GT - why do you think 3 betting here is +EV without reads it's impossible to say imo no idea on oppo continuation range no idea how oppo reacts to 3 bets from the blinds so,,,,,,maybe readless 3 bet to c bet is ok ..... idk though.... tbh Posted by rancid
Well I have a note hes nitty, lol
I dont know for sure, but you could say that for lots of situations in poker readless
3betting will often be +EV in a vacuum. I'll win the pot enouigh pre or with a cbet against most reggy type villains. However if I 3b every hand they obv adjust, so I have to choose hands and situations to do it in. Whether this is a good one is very questionable for lots of reasons
Anyhow I bet flop 1/2 pot, villain basically 3xs my bet, I fold. Thoughts
In Response to Re: What to do : Well I have a note hes nitty, lol I dont know for sure, but you could say that for lots of situations in poker readless 3betting will often be +EV in a vacuum. I'll win the pot enouigh pre or with a cbet against most reggy type villains. However if I 3b every hand they obv adjust, so I have to choose hands and situations to do it in. Whether this is a good one is very questionable for lots of reasons Anyhow I bet flop 1/2 pot, villain basically 3xs my bet, I fold. Thoughts Posted by grantorino
think u want to have an idea when called that you'll be ahead of oppo calling range if your going to 3 bet K10 if your 3 betting K10 than your happy just calling with KJ/KQ you want oppo folding pre or calling with K9 & worse + low-mid prs & even AQ/AJ if you know oppo calls with this then you can bet flop & barrel
if oppo is nitty then oppo 4 bets better obviously but does oppo fold to 3 bets a lot ?
folding to the 3x is fine, unless you want to level yourself into thinking oppo has a FD Suppose they could but readless and tagged nitty - just fold ) Bit odd that they would flat your 3 bet then raise you on flop :S
What on Earth does a tight reg raise with on that flop? AA? AK?
Can't see why they'd raise with Kx or QQ and below. So unless they have a set I suppose you probably had the best hand. The flush draw does make alot of sense, as does air.
Yeah I wanted to call, but too often they show me better when I call these sort of spots.. Most of his draws have As, some have ks and better kicker, so tthought his range crushed me unless he does it a good bit with air.
Agree he shouldn't be raising many better hands, but people do ime
Yeah I wanted to call, but too often they show me better when I call these sort of spots.. Most of his draws have As, some have ks and better kicker, so tthought his range crushed me unless he does it a good bit with air. Agree he shouldn't be raising many better hands, but people do ime Posted by grantorino
well this is it, if you feel oppo range crushes you then you shouldb't 3 bet pre unless oppo folds to 3 bets a lot + if you do decide to 3 bet then checking flop is probbaly better wK10 - if oppo raises you here with bluffs/draws then you have no idea where you are
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Do we really need to complicate things? Can we not just make the game easy and fold in these situations?
without reads it's impossible to say imo
no idea on oppo continuation range
no idea how oppo reacts to 3 bets from the blinds
so,,,,,,maybe readless 3 bet to c bet is ok ..... idk though.... tbh
I dont know for sure, but you could say that for lots of situations in poker readless
3betting will often be +EV in a vacuum. I'll win the pot enouigh pre or with a cbet against most reggy type villains. However if I 3b every hand they obv adjust, so I have to choose hands and situations to do it in. Whether this is a good one is very questionable for lots of reasons
Anyhow I bet flop 1/2 pot, villain basically 3xs my bet, I fold. Thoughts
if your 3 betting K10 than your happy just calling with KJ/KQ
you want oppo folding pre or calling with K9 & worse + low-mid prs & even AQ/AJ
if you know oppo calls with this then you can bet flop & barrel
if oppo is nitty then oppo 4 bets better obviously but does oppo fold to 3 bets a lot ?
folding to the 3x is fine, unless you want to level yourself into thinking oppo has a FD
Suppose they could but readless and tagged nitty - just fold )
Bit odd that they would flat your 3 bet then raise you on flop :S
Can't see why they'd raise with Kx or QQ and below. So unless they have a set I suppose you probably had the best hand. The flush draw does make alot of sense, as does air.
Odd indeed.
+ if you do decide to 3 bet then checking flop is probbaly better wK10 - if oppo raises you here with bluffs/draws then you have no idea where you are