In Response to Re: Unofficial UKOPS League : 7 cashes from 12 tournaments, not too shabby! Posted by Slykllist
I see you have now included a cashed amount total. Can you not add a 'out of' total amount too?
I understand this league is totally unofficial but those who can/will play more events will obv have a better chance of cashing than those who have to use the sat route and therefore will not enter as many as others. I hope this makes sense.
In Response to Re: Unofficial UKOPS League : I see you have now included a cashed amount total. Can you not add a 'out of' total amount too? I understand this league is totally unofficial but those who can/will play more events will obv have a better chance of cashing than those who have to use the sat route and therefore will not enter as many as others. I hope this makes sense. Posted by MAXALLY
Short answer..... NO!
I'm only logging results of those that cashed, not everyone who played
There can be absolutley no doubt who's at the top of the pile, RUNITSRANN is absolutely crushing it having cashed in 9 of the 15 events so far, chapeau to that man!
League now updated after Day 5 results. There can be absolutley no doubt who's at the top of the pile, RUNITSRANN is absolutely crushing it having cashed in 9 of the 15 events so far, chapeau to that man! Posted by Slykllist
RUNITSRANN is flying! I noticed you took the £ earned out too - deliberate or cut and paste carnage?
In Response to Re: Unofficial UKOPS League : RUNITSRANN is flying! I noticed you took the £ earned out too - deliberate or cut and paste carnage? Posted by Sky_Dave
Deliberate, I'll put it back on at the end of the league, but the total amount of all the cashes in the league is.......
League updated with results from day 6 and as RUNITSRANN didn't play last night, Barrie26 has been able to close the gap at the top of the table slightlt with another cas in the side event yesterday.
League updated after day 7's results. The list is now up to 478 individual players who have cashed in at least one UKOPS event, I've cutoff the list on here at 400 as it's starting to get a bit big now!
With a min cash in the Side event last night, RUNITRANN managed to extend his lead at the top, increasing his number of cashes in the UKOPS series to 10.
I think the scoring system might need looking at for next time. It can't be right that David666 who has 2nd in UKOPS 6, a win in UKOPS 7 Side and final tabled the High Roller event is ranked below Maxally who hasn't done too much other than cashing for £221.
Doffs cap to RUNITSRANN - truely outstanding effort to cash 10 times during the series and David666, what a heater over the last 3 days!
Agree with GaryQQQ that the scoring system perhaps need a rethink if you repeat this for the next UKOP series but fantastic effort on your part for doing this in the first place.
You and GaryQQQ are unsung heroes of the forum for sure.
Thanks for doing this, very interesting. I think the scoring system might need looking at for next time. It can't be right that David666 who has 2nd in UKOPS 6, a win in UKOPS 7 Side and final tabled the High Roller event is ranked below Maxally who hasn't done too much other than cashing for £221. Posted by GaryQQQ
Sorry, I have no control on the scoring plus I may of cashed more if I was able to play more but I do not have the BR like others to do so.
Thanks for doing this, very interesting. I think the scoring system might need looking at for next time. It can't be right that David666 who has 2nd in UKOPS 6, a win in UKOPS 7 Side and final tabled the High Roller event is ranked below Maxally who hasn't done too much other than cashing for £221. Posted by GaryQQQ
You know how to rain on someones parade!! lol
I get ur point tho, but it can work both ways. You can have someone who cashes in 6 ukops and makes 2k and have someone who only cashes in 1 but wins 3k.......pretty difficult to come up with totally fair scoring system that will please everyone.
My thinking behind the scoring system was that it rewarded finishing positions relative to the entire field size regardless of buyin or amount of money won, this is why I intitially left cash values off entirely.
That said, having now seen how the league has developed over a number of days I accept that the scoring system could be improved. The problem is, by assigning a score relative to the % of the field beaten and limiting it to the players that finish in cash paying positions; if we assume that 15% of the field gets paid (this tends to vary between events a little) then all of the scores assigned are between 85-100. This doesn't really create enough of a difference between finishing positions to allow it to effect the overall rankings, resulting in too much weight being placed on purely making the cash and not enough on where within the cash a player finishes.
In hindsight, a better way to have assigned points would be by % of the bubble beaten, for example if 9 players get paid (bubble is 10th) points would be assigned:
1st - 100 2nd - 90 3rd - 80 ...... ......9th - 10
With that in mind I have re-organised the league on the above basis and the top 50 would now look like this:
LEAGUE POSITION
Player
TOTAL POINTS
NUMBER OF CASHES
TOTAL CASH VALUE
1
RUNITSRANN
598.71
10
£9,401.31
2
Barrie26
386.86
6
£6,955.18
3
bromley04
373.83
5
£1,009.30
4
yoyo
273.74
4
£1,786.44
5
Jibbz
272.36
4
£1,901.61
6
makelty
271.21
3
£6,710.64
7
david666
260.00
3
£10,591.58
8
vegasman
248.82
3
£777.29
9
offshoot
237.41
4
£13,333.60
10
mrweeve
197.47
2
£640.68
11
Jeffter
196.01
3
£1,865.36
12
gleesos
192.81
2
£402.45
13
mogsy1957
188.74
2
£2,079.67
14
Wacko90
187.99
4
£421.40
15
Keysasoze6
181.52
3
£3,459.25
16
numnum
180.57
3
£602.16
17
tyger
179.98
3
£1,428.41
18
henners10
177.84
3
£190.87
19
RemyMartin
170.83
3
£380.65
20
Spence-147
168.78
2
£2,876.00
21
chrisdboy
168.31
3
£493.97
22
darrenadd7
167.45
2
£842.50
23
GliterBabe
163.27
3
£1,545.04
24
winner5603
162.97
4
£591.05
25
madeyeII
161.65
3
£2,569.41
26
baskervill
159.33
2
£194.32
27
berp
153.85
2
£135.41
28
MacMonster
151.18
2
£1,367.88
29
glencoelad
150.22
2
£620.06
30
Verbal_Gym
149.01
3
£1,278.60
31
SHOGUNS
146.10
2
£716.96
32
Stevie32
143.85
2
£113.83
33
nagrom
145.00
2
£1,719.81
34
jonjo75
138.78
3
£1,416.66
35
ATOMANT55
135.29
2
£348.45
36
b123n
125.00
2
£915.10
37
wiganway
123.73
2
£47.69
38
MadBiscuit
123.23
2
£313.70
39
SoLack
122.21
2
£55.09
40
HUGHMANS
120.17
2
£720.32
41
LMAJOD
119.54
2
£1,273.17
42
adamw1ns
116.45
2
£415.53
43
badcawl
115.08
3
£87.50
44
TTayseer
114.94
3
£818.18
45
dtm75
113.24
3
£1,005.80
46
daveyt86
112.41
4
£1,619.23
47
bolly580
113.73
3
£785.79
48
bearlyther
110.53
2
£6,081.50
49
kidwiz10
110.10
2
£630.43
50
kallia1717
109.96
2
£389.81
Personally, I think this is a better reflection of performances across the week but it seems unfair to change things so far into the league.
By the way if anyone want to have a look at the spreadsheet with all the results in and and try to come up with a better scoring system, be my guest, you can download the excel file from my Google docs HERE
My thinking behind the scoring system was that it rewarded finishing positions relative to the entire field size regardless of buyin or amount of money won, this is why I intitially left cash values off entirely. That said, having now seen how the league has developed over a number of days I accept that the scoring system could be improved. The problem is, by assigning a score relative to the % of the field beaten and limiting it to the players that finish in cash paying positions; if we assume that 15% of the field gets paid (this tends to vary between events a little) then all of the scores assigned are between 85-100. This doesn't really create enough of a difference between finishing positions to allow it to effect the overall rankings, resulting in too much weight being placed on purely making the cash and not enough on where within the cash a player finishes. In hindsight, a better way to have assigned points would be by % of the bubble beaten, for example if 9 players get paid (bubble is 10th) points would be assigned: 1st - 100 2nd - 90 3rd - 80 ...... ......9th - 10 With that in mind I have re-organised the league on the above basis and the top 50 would now look like this: LEAGUE POSITION Player TOTAL POINTS NUMBER OF CASHES TOTAL CASH VALUE 1 RUNITSRANN 598.71 10 £9,401.31 2 Barrie26 386.86 6 £6,955.18 3 bromley04 373.83 5 £1,009.30 4 yoyo 273.74 4 £1,786.44 5 Jibbz 272.36 4 £1,901.61 6 makelty 271.21 3 £6,710.64 7 david666 260.00 3 £10,591.58 8 vegasman 248.82 3 £777.29 9 offshoot 237.41 4 £13,333.60 10 mrweeve 197.47 2 £640.68 11 Jeffter 196.01 3 £1,865.36 12 gleesos 192.81 2 £402.45 13 mogsy1957 188.74 2 £2,079.67 14 Wacko90 187.99 4 £421.40 15 Keysasoze6 181.52 3 £3,459.25 16 numnum 180.57 3 £602.16 17 tyger 179.98 3 £1,428.41 18 henners10 177.84 3 £190.87 19 RemyMartin 170.83 3 £380.65 20 Spence-147 168.78 2 £2,876.00 21 chrisdboy 168.31 3 £493.97 22 darrenadd7 167.45 2 £842.50 23 GliterBabe 163.27 3 £1,545.04 24 winner5603 162.97 4 £591.05 25 madeyeII 161.65 3 £2,569.41 26 baskervill 159.33 2 £194.32 27 berp 153.85 2 £135.41 28 MacMonster 151.18 2 £1,367.88 29 glencoelad 150.22 2 £620.06 30 Verbal_Gym 149.01 3 £1,278.60 31 SHOGUNS 146.10 2 £716.96 32 Stevie32 143.85 2 £113.83 33 nagrom 145.00 2 £1,719.81 34 jonjo75 138.78 3 £1,416.66 35 ATOMANT55 135.29 2 £348.45 36 b123n 125.00 2 £915.10 37 wiganway 123.73 2 £47.69 38 MadBiscuit 123.23 2 £313.70 39 SoLack 122.21 2 £55.09 40 HUGHMANS 120.17 2 £720.32 41 LMAJOD 119.54 2 £1,273.17 42 adamw1ns 116.45 2 £415.53 43 badcawl 115.08 3 £87.50 44 TTayseer 114.94 3 £818.18 45 dtm75 113.24 3 £1,005.80 46 daveyt86 112.41 4 £1,619.23 47 bolly580 113.73 3 £785.79 48 bearlyther 110.53 2 £6,081.50 49 kidwiz10 110.10 2 £630.43 50 kallia1717 109.96 2 £389.81 Personally, I think this is a better reflection of performances across the week but it seems unfair to change things so far into the league. Comments appreciated Posted by Slykllist
Lol.....I have now gone from the top 10 to nowwhere.....thanks.
You may aswell just do the top cashes list and have done with it. It will be much easier for you, and as this is unofficial league, doesnt matter anyway.
The phrase 'changing the goalposts' springs to mind
Its tricky to find a system that keeps everyone in with a fair chance regardless of their bankroll. As most people will point out its not fair on the guys with the small roll, but equally sometimes its not fair on the people mainly focusing on the bigger buy in tourneys.
One possible solution to this is to multiply the number of people who cashed below you (including yourself), with a factorial for the buy in. you would need to designate say 3 levels of buy in, i.e. £1-£11, £12-£25, £26+ and each level is give a number, i.e. 1,2,3
So for example you finish 1st in a 200 runner £11 tourney so you get awarded 20 x 1 = 20 you finish 1st in a 100 runner £24 tourney so you get awarded 10 x 2 = 20 you finish 1st in a 60 runner £55 tourney so you get awarded 6 x 3 = 18
I havent spent enough time on it to crunch any real numbers but i think it takes into account maybe a wider range of information whilst still giving roughly an equal reward for success.
Comments
I'm only logging results of those that cashed, not everyone who played
There can be absolutley no doubt who's at the top of the pile, RUNITSRANN is absolutely crushing it having cashed in 9 of the 15 events so far, chapeau to that man!
With a min cash in the Side event last night, RUNITRANN managed to extend his lead at the top, increasing his number of cashes in the UKOPS series to 10.
Thanks for doing this, very interesting.
I think the scoring system might need looking at for next time. It can't be right that David666 who has 2nd in UKOPS 6, a win in UKOPS 7 Side and final tabled the High Roller event is ranked below Maxally who hasn't done too much other than cashing for £221.
Agree with GaryQQQ that the scoring system perhaps need a rethink if you repeat this for the next UKOP series but fantastic effort on your part for doing this in the first place.
You and GaryQQQ are unsung heroes of the forum for sure.
I get ur point tho, but it can work both ways. You can have someone who cashes in 6 ukops and makes 2k and have someone who only cashes in 1 but wins 3k.......pretty difficult to come up with totally fair scoring system that will please everyone.
That said, having now seen how the league has developed over a number of days I accept that the scoring system could be improved. The problem is, by assigning a score relative to the % of the field beaten and limiting it to the players that finish in cash paying positions; if we assume that 15% of the field gets paid (this tends to vary between events a little) then all of the scores assigned are between 85-100. This doesn't really create enough of a difference between finishing positions to allow it to effect the overall rankings, resulting in too much weight being placed on purely making the cash and not enough on where within the cash a player finishes.
In hindsight, a better way to have assigned points would be by % of the bubble beaten, for example if 9 players get paid (bubble is 10th) points would be assigned:
1st - 100
2nd - 90
3rd - 80
......
......9th - 10
With that in mind I have re-organised the league on the above basis and the top 50 would now look like this:
Comments appreciated
One possible solution to this is to multiply the number of people who cashed below you (including yourself), with a factorial for the buy in.
you would need to designate say 3 levels of buy in, i.e. £1-£11, £12-£25, £26+ and each level is give a number, i.e. 1,2,3
So for example you finish 1st in a 200 runner £11 tourney so you get awarded 20 x 1 = 20
you finish 1st in a 100 runner £24 tourney so you get awarded 10 x 2 = 20
you finish 1st in a 60 runner £55 tourney so you get awarded 6 x 3 = 18
I havent spent enough time on it to crunch any real numbers but i think it takes into account maybe a wider range of information whilst still giving roughly an equal reward for success.
What do you think?