Yeah, you're right MAXALLY, it's unofficial so I don't have to do it at all, but I chose to because 1, I thought it would be an interesting exercise. 2, There were people on the forum that were interested in seeing it.
It's a no win situation, whatever you do someone will be unhappy with it, all I'm trying to do here is refine a process and decide what would be the best way to do something similar in the future if I'm stupid enough to volunteer myself again.
Regarding your comment about just producing a list ranked by cash value, if you look at the alternative top 50 above, that quite clearly is not what has happened here, offshoot who has cashed the most in UKOPS so far - over £13,300 is only ranked 9th, wheras vegasman who has had a very good run in the minis is above him in 8th despite cashing a smaller amount of £777.00. There are also numerous players who have cashed for more than £2000.00 that do not appear in the top 50 and a couple at least that have cashed for more than £5,000.
As I said, I'm never going to keep everyone happy!
There is NO "wholly fair" way of doing this, & I suspect this was one of the reasons that the Business decided not to run a Leaderboard, because people may end up getting offended, or upset, & if that happens, it becomes a liability, not an asset.
As long as everyone sees Simon's efforts for what they are - an imperfect solution to an impossible problem - then we'll all be just fine.
Honestly, I've juggled this in my head a thousand times, & there is no "one size fits all" solution.
The effort you have put in is appreciated............as much as it hurts me, I gotta agree with Alan, the guy has cashed in 4 of the events and is not even on the list now.
At the end of the day it's all a bit of fun though so cheers for the great thread
Ok, fair enough Simon.....your work imput into this is appreciated, so thanks for that. As Tikay has said, you can not please all of the people all of the time so I will refrain from posting on this thread again. I will, however, look forward to seeing how you do the final table.
I limited it to the top 50 doing it this way as I'm actually too scared to tell Alan where it drops him to overall. I'm not going to get precious about it, end of the day it's a bit of fun but useful to get feedback incase I or anybody else does something similar in the future.
You see, there is just NO WAY of balancing this fairly.
If I were MAXALLY, of course I'd be miffed if I cashed 4 times & disappeared off the sheet.
But equally, if it were revised to take account of that, other deserving folks might drop off the sheet. There is NO perfect solution to this.
I think we can all agree though, huge thanks to Simon for at least attempting to. So many people wrote to me suggesting we did a Leaderboard, but this is almost certainly why the Business shied away from it.
The final table should use the original system for fairness, I don't think anybody is suggesting otherwise.
Simon should be applauded for taking the time and trouble to run this league. It's easy to see flaws in the scoring system with the advantage of hindsight, nobody knew how it would pan out before the league started. Any tweaks that seem sensible to Simon can be applied next time round.
Very well played to all who have cashed and all who feature in the league.
thanks very much for posting this it's much appreciated - I think it's really interesting reading - most of us don't know whose won what or how often. I have followed the UKOPS avidly and this really gives a great overview of it. I also read Gary's results thread with great interest as well.
Great job. Its nice to see your achievements in league table form. I plan on luckboxing all three tourneys tonight so hopefully will jump up a few spots.
The final league positions have now been updated on the 1st page, I stuck with the original scoring system but seem to have lost the name of one of the players if anyone can help me out???
Also if anyone wants to see the alternative scoring system, the file is HERE this also contains all the data should anybody be as sad as me and want to play around with it!
The final league positions have now been updated on the 1st page, I stuck with the original scoring system but seem to have lost the name of one of the players if anyone can help me out??? Posted by Slykllist
Have no idea who it is but I am sure its not that important to them :-)
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Yeah, you're right MAXALLY, it's unofficial so I don't have to do it at all, but I chose to because 1, I thought it would be an interesting exercise. 2, There were people on the forum that were interested in seeing it.
It's a no win situation, whatever you do someone will be unhappy with it, all I'm trying to do here is refine a process and decide what would be the best way to do something similar in the future if I'm stupid enough to volunteer myself again.
Regarding your comment about just producing a list ranked by cash value, if you look at the alternative top 50 above, that quite clearly is not what has happened here, offshoot who has cashed the most in UKOPS so far - over £13,300 is only ranked 9th, wheras vegasman who has had a very good run in the minis is above him in 8th despite cashing a smaller amount of £777.00. There are also numerous players who have cashed for more than £2000.00 that do not appear in the top 50 and a couple at least that have cashed for more than £5,000.
As I said, I'm never going to keep everyone happy!
There is NO "wholly fair" way of doing this, & I suspect this was one of the reasons that the Business decided not to run a Leaderboard, because people may end up getting offended, or upset, & if that happens, it becomes a liability, not an asset.
As long as everyone sees Simon's efforts for what they are - an imperfect solution to an impossible problem - then we'll all be just fine.
Honestly, I've juggled this in my head a thousand times, & there is no "one size fits all" solution.
The effort you have put in is appreciated............as much as it hurts me, I gotta agree with Alan, the guy has cashed in 4 of the events and is not even on the list now.
At the end of the day it's all a bit of fun though so cheers for the great thread
I'm not going to get precious about it, end of the day it's a bit of fun but useful to get feedback incase I or anybody else does something similar in the future.
You see, there is just NO WAY of balancing this fairly.
If I were MAXALLY, of course I'd be miffed if I cashed 4 times & disappeared off the sheet.
But equally, if it were revised to take account of that, other deserving folks might drop off the sheet. There is NO perfect solution to this.
I think we can all agree though, huge thanks to Simon for at least attempting to. So many people wrote to me suggesting we did a Leaderboard, but this is almost certainly why the Business shied away from it.
Are we cool, Yolanda?
YOLANDA!
Are we cool baby?
The final table should use the original system for fairness, I don't think anybody is suggesting otherwise.
Simon should be applauded for taking the time and trouble to run this league. It's easy to see flaws in the scoring system with the advantage of hindsight, nobody knew how it would pan out before the league started. Any tweaks that seem sensible to Simon can be applied next time round.
Very well played to all who have cashed and all who feature in the league.
This ^^^^
Ahem cough cough
Anyway........
Good luck everyone tonight.
Just enjoy, that's the idea.
Have no idea who it is but I am sure its not that important to them :-)