this may be really stupid advice becuase i dont know what im talking about but surely if you know they only play the premium hands its quite easy to find the fold button and let them go back to whatever they were doing before
It would help if Sky changed the rake structure from dealt to contributed. Rather than all getting the same rakeback regardless of if you played any hands, for example, the 5 nits who just fold would get less relativeto the old system, and the one guy playing every pot seeing lots of flops would deservably so get more rakeback. stopping those nitty nitbags from just folding all month and expecting to pick up a pay check. Posted by beaneh
Totally agree! people talking to me like i said a crazy thing......but this is a poker site not a sit there for 8 hours pressing fold then get cash 4 points. I think it would be fairer if cash for points worked on playing hands
It would help if Sky changed the rake structure from dealt to contributed. Rather than all getting the same rakeback regardless of if you played any hands, for example, the 5 nits who just fold would get less relativeto the old system, and the one guy playing every pot seeing lots of flops would deservably so get more rakeback. stopping those nitty nitbags from just folding all month and expecting to pick up a pay check. Posted by beaneh
That's actually a really good point, when I first started playing here I thought it was contributed. But at the sametime, the more tight the table is the less flops are seen.
For example I would get the same amount of c4p for nl10 that I would for nl20, simply because we was seeing more flops at NL10.
yeah but no but !
Does encourage people just to sit around picking up rakeback ! Believe me I should know )
Robbie have you tried opening a new table yourself like I said earlier? If it's the fun and excitment your after then not only does a new table get you non-regs to play against but you also get to play HU and short handed before the table fills.
Pretty laughable OP to be honest (in the least possible offensive way). IMO this is no different from the people who say 'I can't win against these bingo players who play any two cards'.
It's basically saying, I don't like what's going on here cos I can't beat them. You just got to learn to adapt, and come to terms with the fact against these type of players, your aim is mostly going to be winning lots of small pots, cos you're not gonna stack them very often unless it's a cooler. You said you get bored of just stealing the blinds, but these people are getting their money in with the nuts (or close) so you won't stack them as often.
They play across all levels, never really play hands unless there premuim hands, and there playing literally all day. I find these players really boring and i honestly do feel that they ruin the site. I dont understad why they play all day yet dont play a hand.....until another well known player on here told me that they do that because they earn cash for points and that will equal more then there profits for the month which i think is patheitc as its a poker site made for playing and improving on poker. Just losing motivation as i liked sky but now its not very appealing to play with these players and know there never really play a hand s there no point even getting kings or aces etc. I get that every site has these players but its proberly made worse because sky has a low volume of players i just think its killing the cash game version of the site abit and its a shame Posted by robbie1992
This has to be the most stupid post ive seen in ages. If I go to a supermarket and your a checkout boy do you have the right to tell me what to spend my money on? The answer is a fat no.
Poker is all about table selection and adjusting to your opponents style, if you can only one table does that suggest that you're playing beyond your bankroll capability? If you want action play a hu game. Jeez.
trust an arsenal fan to give an idiot answer......... ill just ignore you
For the others my point isnt what they do and beating them and how they play etc!!!!!! its the fac they have like 14 tables open and are not playing hands there ust earning the cash for points and thats the money there earning.....surely you cant agree thats fair?
Plus when you have your monster hands you no your never get paided cause there fold, there just there for the points
Robbie have you tried opening a new table yourself like I said earlier? If it's the fun and excitment your after then not only does a new table get you non-regs to play against but you also get to play HU and short handed before the table fills. Posted by FlashFlush
no i havnt yet play abit on another site today, but ill play on sky tonight, thankyou for the suggestion . GL to swindon aswell hope di canio doesnt fight any players!
trust an arsenal fan to give an idiot answer......... ill just ignore you For the others my point isnt what they do and beating them and how they play etc!!!!!! its the fac they have like 14 tables open and are not playing hands there ust earning the cash for points and thats the money there earning.....surely you cant agree thats fair? Plus when you have your monster hands you no your never get paided cause there fold, there just there for the points Posted by robbie1992
1) You're playing what I've been told is by far the nittiest level on the whole site.
2) There are plenty of people (Scotty77 comes to mind) who play anything between 10-20 tables and aren't just playing AA/KK/QQ/AK and just playing for points. Yes they're playing a tight range as you'd have to on so many tables, but not like top 5% or anything.
3) If they really are that tight, then just flat their raises pre, and check/raise them on a ton of flops that miss their very narrow range. Find a way round their style cos there is one.
4) IMO adjusting in poker is all about finding a strategy that makes lots of profit, and this is what they've done. Everyone has their own reasons for playing, some just like a gamble and you can't moan for them playing like idiots, some wanna be a nit, leave them to it, but if you get VERY good at the game, you can develop a game that is far more profitable than being a massive nit.
what lambert said, Rake system is fine the way it is... leave it be please. The "Regs" at 50nl are not crushing and its easy to get some simple reads on them and win a good few buyins off them per session just be carefully seat selecting. They make a good table a perfect one if you understand position and table cash flow properly.
Just because they play all day doesn't mean that they win for ridic high winrate. If they were then they would be playing more tables at another site where the highest loyalty level would give RB in the region of >60%.
trust an arsenal fan to give an idiot answer......... ill just ignore you For the others my point isnt what they do and beating them and how they play etc!!!!!! its the fac they have like 14 tables open and are not playing hands there ust earning the cash for points and thats the money there earning.....surely you cant agree thats fair? Plus when you have your monster hands you no your never get paided cause there fold, there just there for the points Posted by robbie1992
Your an idiot for not getting that its their money and they can do what they want with it. Plank is an understatement. Its up to you to figure how to overcome it but from what ive seen you havent got a clue.
Robbie makes a lot of sense in this post as i have played 50 nl all of last month.
It is full of reg nits. There is a couple imo who have some moves but other than that the rest are waiting for premiums or making money from fish in a few hands. They are essential making money from the rakeback imo. I can easily fold qq to a 4 bet allin against some people and there 3 bet range is really narrow aswell which makes it easy to play against. I can 3 bet like crazy at 50nl and get away with it as there is only 2 people on there who will come back over the top of me with a light 4 bet. I enjoy playing against these 2 players as we can make moves against each other. Im not saying theres anything wrong with them playing to make money from the rakeback but its not proper poker and is very exploitable. I made £1700 from this level last month and £1000 from rakeback so it is still very beatable imo but imo 100nl is more profitable than 50nl as there is more recreational players who like to take a shot here. But 50 nl is a lot different on sky compared to other sites and can definately get boring at times because of the style of play.
what lambert said, Rake system is fine the way it is... leave it be please. The "Regs" at 50nl are not crushing and its easy to get some simple reads on them and win a good few buyins off them per session just be carefully seat selecting. They make a good table a perfect one if you understand position and table cash flow properly. Just because they play all day doesn't mean that they win for ridic high winrate. If they were then they would be playing more tables at another site where the highest loyalty level would give RB in the region of />60%. Posted by TPTP123
the rake system is the opposite of fine.
everything else you've said is true, just the first line is wrong.
Robbie makes a lot of sense in this post as i have played 50 nl all of last month. It is full of reg nits. There is a couple imo who have some moves but other than that the rest are waiting for premiums or making money from fish in a few hands. They are essential making money from the rakeback imo. I can easily fold qq to a 4 bet allin against some people and there 3 bet range is really narrow aswell which makes it easy to play against. I can 3 bet like crazy at 50nl and get away with it as there is only 2 people on there who will come back over the top of me with a light 4 bet. I enjoy playing against these 2 players as we can make moves against each other. Im not saying theres anything wrong with them playing to make money from the rakeback but its not proper poker and is very exploitable. I made £1700 from this level last month and £1000 from rakeback so it is still very beatable imo but imo 100nl is more profitable than 50nl as there is more recreational players who like to take a shot here. But 50 nl is a lot different on sky compared to other sites and can definately get boring at times because of the style of play. Posted by bearlyther
But you've summed it up here by saying that they are very exploitable and easy to play against. If you can't adjust to beat them, you shuoldn't be having a go at their style of play, you should be figuring out why they keep beating you.
If they don't keep beating you, then don't post complaining about them cos that's what's winning you money.
(That doesn't apply to you Bearly, I know you wouldn't moan about people being nitty cos you're a good player).
Robbie makes a lot of sense in this post as i have played 50 nl all of last month. It is full of reg nits. There is a couple imo who have some moves but other than that the rest are waiting for premiums or making money from fish in a few hands. They are essential making money from the rakeback imo. I can easily fold qq to a 4 bet allin against some people and there 3 bet range is really narrow aswell which makes it easy to play against. I can 3 bet like crazy at 50nl and get away with it as there is only 2 people on there who will come back over the top of me with a light 4 bet. I enjoy playing against these 2 players as we can make moves against each other. Im not saying theres anything wrong with them playing to make money from the rakeback but its not proper poker and is very exploitable. I made £1700 from this level last month and £1000 from rakeback so it is still very beatable imo but imo 100nl is more profitable than 50nl as there is more recreational players who like to take a shot here. But 50 nl is a lot different on sky compared to other sites and can definately get boring at times because of the style of play. Posted by bearlyther
Yeah tbh you was the player i was talking about that mentioned ho bad 50 nl was. Im not saying they cant do what they want with there money of course im not but im saying the way they play and there idea of getting money just from rake isnt fair on the people that have come to play poker, its like watching the same film every day playing on some 50nl tables, thats all im saying.
BTW BEARLYTHER, good luck at the stable your joining hope it goes well :)never hesistate to pm and let me no how its going !
ldo people can improve or look to beat each other.
this thread was started because there are so many people playing 12 tables and not giving any action other than AA pre(godam 30 tablers). it is exascerbated by the fact that the rake is split dealt not contriubuted. if you reduced the amount of rakeback people got for sitting and folding for a month, they would have to reasses whether playing 12 tables is best for them. if it dropped them down to 6 tables and they played half as many hands again as they normally do on these tables then that would benefit the games both in terms of people playing for fun and having people to actually play against and in terms of dem suits getting more of dem rakes.
But that's the point, it isn't unfair at all, would you rather they play a very strong loose aggresive game and give you a real hard time OR do you want them to be easily exploitable? Or do you just want them to be massive fish, cos obv we'd all love that but it aint gonna happen.
Forget about how you WANT to play, if you're not willing to say 'I wanna play like this but it doesn't work against these nit grinders so I'm going to do X', then you need to go play another game where your style will work.
- When they double up the money stays on the table. They are not ratholing
- Most of them autopilot soo badly that the money they make from rakeback they plough back into the 50nl economy
- They are creating profit for sky the poker
- They also do not utilise seat selection as they're playing every table
- There's less than 4 super solid 50nl regs.. the rest moved up already
- If you want to play higher stakes you need to learn how to adjust against regs,
- if you want to pick up money off the floor play lower.
So in summary the regs are not killing the games.. and theres much worse regs out there on the big sites then the sky poker regs (and these are the ones killing the games) not our good folk!! now lock thread please. thanks
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That's actually a really good point, when I first started playing here I thought it was contributed.
But at the sametime, the more tight the table is the less flops are seen.
For example I would get the same amount of c4p for nl10 that I would for nl20, simply because we was seeing more flops at NL10.
yeah but no but !
Does encourage people just to sit around picking up rakeback !
Believe me I should know )
It's basically saying, I don't like what's going on here cos I can't beat them. You just got to learn to adapt, and come to terms with the fact against these type of players, your aim is mostly going to be winning lots of small pots, cos you're not gonna stack them very often unless it's a cooler. You said you get bored of just stealing the blinds, but these people are getting their money in with the nuts (or close) so you won't stack them as often.
Poker is all about table selection and adjusting to your opponents style, if you can only one table does that suggest that you're playing beyond your bankroll capability? If you want action play a hu game. Jeez.
For the others my point isnt what they do and beating them and how they play etc!!!!!!
its the fac they have like 14 tables open and are not playing hands there ust earning the cash for points and thats the money there earning.....surely you cant agree thats fair?
Plus when you have your monster hands you no your never get paided cause there fold, there just there for the points
2) There are plenty of people (Scotty77 comes to mind) who play anything between 10-20 tables and aren't just playing AA/KK/QQ/AK and just playing for points. Yes they're playing a tight range as you'd have to on so many tables, but not like top 5% or anything.
3) If they really are that tight, then just flat their raises pre, and check/raise them on a ton of flops that miss their very narrow range. Find a way round their style cos there is one.
4) IMO adjusting in poker is all about finding a strategy that makes lots of profit, and this is what they've done. Everyone has their own reasons for playing, some just like a gamble and you can't moan for them playing like idiots, some wanna be a nit, leave them to it, but if you get VERY good at the game, you can develop a game that is far more profitable than being a massive nit.
It is full of reg nits. There is a couple imo who have some moves but other than that the rest are waiting for premiums or making money from fish in a few hands. They are essential making money from the rakeback imo. I can easily fold qq to a 4 bet allin against some people and there 3 bet range is really narrow aswell which makes it easy to play against. I can 3 bet like crazy at 50nl and get away with it as there is only 2 people on there who will come back over the top of me with a light 4 bet. I enjoy playing against these 2 players as we can make moves against each other. Im not saying theres anything wrong with them playing to make money from the rakeback but its not proper poker and is very exploitable. I made £1700 from this level last month and £1000 from rakeback so it is still very beatable imo but imo 100nl is more profitable than 50nl as there is more recreational players who like to take a shot here. But 50 nl is a lot different on sky compared to other sites and can definately get boring at times because of the style of play.
If they don't keep beating you, then don't post complaining about them cos that's what's winning you money.
(That doesn't apply to you Bearly, I know you wouldn't moan about people being nitty cos you're a good player).
P.S. You got set up with your stable yet?
BTW BEARLYTHER, good luck at the stable your joining hope it goes well :)never hesistate to pm and let me no how its going !
Forget about how you WANT to play, if you're not willing to say 'I wanna play like this but it doesn't work against these nit grinders so I'm going to do X', then you need to go play another game where your style will work.