There could be worse things in life here imo - When they double up the money stays on the table. They are not ratholing - Most of them autopilot soo badly that the money they make from rakeback they plough back into the 50nl economy - They are creating profit for sky the poker - They also do not utilise seat selection as they're playing every table - There's less than 4 super solid 50nl regs.. the rest moved up already - If you want to play higher stakes you need to learn how to adjust against regs, - if you want to pick up money off the floor play lower. So in summary the regs are not killing the games.. and theres much worse regs out there on the big sites then the sky poker regs (and these are the ones killing the games) not our good folk!! now lock thread please. thanks Posted by TPTP123
why does there being worse things mean we should suck it up with a stupid system?
the bulk of your discussion deserves to be in the clinic, not in a thread talking about the unfair and ignorant (yes those are the two applicable words) rakeback distribution system.
then again there are worse things, we could just get rid of C4P .....
Nl50 is not the only level to struggle from people who just sit and fold, look at the list of names that join all nl200+ waiting lists and then sit out when they get the option of a seat, all of these people are the sort of people sucking dry the rakeback whilst providing horrible game atmospheres for those who just want to play.
It's not just the rake back system, this just has a large influence on the play style all these people use.
There are many others issues, lots of which i've addressed before,
such as HU bumhunting (main problem being morons who sit at 25 tables on sky headsup and never play)
disgusting etiquette, I don't need to name the people who try and break 6 max games begging the 'fish' to play them hu so the other regs at the 6 max table cant get their money
disgusting etiquette, where the regs tell the other players what they think of them, how bad they think they are etc etc
refusal to start tables with any one who can tie their shoes
disgusting etiquette (oh hi there again), 6 player game, player a is providing the action player B-F are sitting folding, going all in pre with AA and focusing exclusively on player A. Player A loses a stack, players B-F tick sitout straight away and refuse to play unless Player A reloads........
disgusting etiquette (oh really there is more, shock), the idiots who sit at a new 1 man 6 max table with a reg, then sit on their direct left, tick sit out and wait for a 'fish' to sit in.
I could go on but the most important thing to be taken from this thread IS THAT THE RAKE SYSTEM MUST CHANGE.
ABSOLUTELY MUST. Unless ofcourse sky are trying to foster an evironment where the games can just wither away.
In Response to Re: Regs killing cash games? : But you've summed it up here by saying that they are very exploitable and easy to play against. If you can't adjust to beat them, you shuoldn't be having a go at their style of play, you should be figuring out why they keep beating you. If they don't keep beating you, then don't post complaining about them cos that's what's winning you money. (That doesn't apply to you Bearly, I know you wouldn't moan about people being nitty cos you're a good player). P.S. You got set up with your stable yet? Posted by Lambert180
Yes all set up with the stable now Lambert enjoying it playing on here and also ps France only played a few games on there so far considering playing a few tourneys on the new site fult aswell. Reviewing my hands after my tournaments is a great way for me to improve. At the moment im allowed to play any tournament i want up to £55 or euro and im allowed to play 50nl and below in cash games on sky. No hyperturbos is allowed in the contract.
There could be worse things in life here imo then Regs playing 50nl all day on every table. That's all i have to say; at no point was that post referring to sky rake. The points you make are points that plague all the sites... good luck getting the system changed.
There could be worse things in life here imo then Regs playing 50nl all day on every table. That's all i have to say. The points you make are points that plague all the sites... good luck getting the system changed. Posted by TPTP123
no say more lol
you clearly have a good idea of the poker ecosystem and the problems it faces.
dealt distribution is moronic and so inhibitive.
Ofc there are a tonne of problems to fix both with poker sites in general and sky specifically. but this is one of the utmost importance and should be addressed before nearly anything else. especially before just having another rake race promotion where the idea is to get as many regs as possible playing as many tables as possible and folding as much as possible all month.
those who play regularly will have noticed how appaling the games were in January and in October when the big rake races were run.
In Response to Re: Regs killing cash games? : no say more lol you clearly have a good idea of the poker ecosystem and the problems it faces. dealt distribution is moronic and so inhibitive. Ofc there are a tonne of problems to fix both with poker sites in general and sky specifically. but this is one of the utmost importance and should be addressed before nearly anything else. especially before just having another rake race promotion where the idea is to get as many regs as possible playing as many tables as possible and folding as much as possible all month. those who play regularly will have noticed how appaling the games were in January and in October when the big rake races were run.
Okay i will... I didn't play any cash poker on sky in October. That worked well for me.
big +1 i think i shamefull the way the less skilled play leaves and the game breaks shows a real lack of respect.
and broadline collusion
but i think the main reason from this is the fact that sky is such a gated sited with poorish rakesystem. but who can blame the reg they found a gap and exploting it but isn't that what beening a pro is attacking on weakness ??????
but one thing u have to remmber is when competition or money is evoled some people will do any thing to win. there is none or little space for sentiment, they will do the cheapest thing to win or get a egde
famous angles shoot from Ivan Freitez Angle shows that.
Gotta say, i have seen exactly what Beaneh describes when railing 200nl +
Its soooooo blatant. The same nit regs just sit out as soon as the recreational player leaves (usually broke). There is always a huge waiting list ready to pounce too,. I have always felt a bit uncomfortable watching this, time and time again!
IMO getting rid of cash for point's and HU tables completely would be the best thing for the site in the long term. (rake races and happy hours defiantly don't help the situation.)
Gotta say, i have seen exactly what Beaneh describes when railing 200nl + Its soooooo blatant. The same nit regs just sit out as soon as the recreational player leaves (usually broke). There is always a huge waiting list ready to pounce too,. I have always felt a bit uncomfortable watching this, time and time again! Posted by GREGHOGG
people say 'oh but game selection is part of poker' yes yes it is, but if there are to be any games running in future you cant keep not only shearing the sheep, but chopping its head off and chat abusing it's family at the same time!
In Response to Re: Regs killing cash games? : why does there being worse things mean we should suck it up with a stupid system? the bulk of your discussion deserves to be in the clinic, not in a thread talking about the unfair and ignorant (yes those are the two applicable words) rakeback distribution system. then again there are worse things, we could just get rid of C4P ..... Nl50 is not the only level to struggle from people who just sit and fold, look at the list of names that join all nl200+ waiting lists and then sit out when they get the option of a seat, all of these people are the sort of people sucking dry the rakeback whilst providing horrible game atmospheres for those who just want to play. It's not just the rake back system, this just has a large influence on the play style all these people use. There are many others issues, lots of which i've addressed before, such as HU bumhunting (main problem being morons who sit at 25 tables on sky headsup and never play) disgusting etiquette, I don't need to name the people who try and break 6 max games begging the 'fish' to play them hu so the other regs at the 6 max table cant get their money disgusting etiquette, where the regs tell the other players what they think of them, how bad they think they are etc etc refusal to start tables with any one who can tie their shoes disgusting etiquette (oh hi there again), 6 player game, player a is providing the action player B-F are sitting folding, going all in pre with AA and focusing exclusively on player A. Player A loses a stack, players B-F tick sitout straight away and refuse to play unless Player A reloads........ disgusting etiquette (oh really there is more, shock), the idiots who sit at a new 1 man 6 max table with a reg, then sit on their direct left, tick sit out and wait for a 'fish' to sit in. I could go on but the most important thing to be taken from this thread IS THAT THE RAKE SYSTEM MUST CHANGE. ABSOLUTELY MUST. Unless ofcourse sky are trying to foster an evironment where the games can just wither away. Posted by beaneh
IMO getting rid of cash for point's and HU tables completely would be the best thing for the site in the long term. (rake races and happy hours defiantly don't help the situation.) Posted by DeuceAK_47
In Response to Re: Regs killing cash games? : You play most happy hours though don't you?? You are always sat at my tables. Posted by donkeyplop
Lol I dont particularly try and play happy hours, i just play randomly really :-), I can't really complain as i will probably get to 15000 c4p's this month but the games in Novemeber are defiantly alot worse than in September and i think the Kings of Cash are partly to blame.
I think if any recreational players played for 2+ hours in October they would of probably of lost money every day, even on fruit machines you win some of the time so i don't know why they would return.
If sky spent more money on advertising and giving loosing players free money/free tourny's occasionally instead of c4p's i think the site would be a more fun place to play.
I also agree with Beaneh that the regs that always move seat to get position on the bad player is terrible etiquette.
Only realised in the last couple of days that the C4P was earned pretty much just for sitting there - Beaneh's argument makes good sense and hopefully Sky are having or will have a look at implementing this.
Going back to the OP, I moved to Sky after getting fed up of playing on another site that suffers the same thing - sure, I was picking up a small profit by constantly picking up undefended blinds or calling and getting an aces-beating flop, but as a casual player it just gets really dull playing such a robotic game.
Yeah the super-nits are probably better players than me and will take my money, but at least give me lots of complicated decisions along the way to give me some value for my losses
In Response to Re: Regs killing cash games? : hmmm yeah proberly, but sky has less people then other sites so its constantly the same people. Others says have thousands so there loads of regs but its unlucky your play the same regs everysignle day Posted by robbie1992
Robbie, some would say that by playing the same "regs" day in and day out you would be better off as you'd have your notes typed up on certian individuals and therefore would have an advantage over them.
Playing randomes, you dont get this advantage, unitl after youve done your money............
trust an arsenal fan to give an idiot answer......... ill just ignore you For the others my point isnt what they do and beating them and how they play etc!!!!!! its the fac they have like 14 tables open and are not playing hands there ust earning the cash for points and thats the money there earning.....surely you cant agree thats fair? Plus when you have your monster hands you no your never get paided cause there fold, there just there for the points Posted by robbie1992
Are you saying that you think its a given that because your dealt a monster you think you should be getting paid?
To close this from my perspective, I still dont agree regs are ruining sky's cash games. Play mornings or late evenings/weekends, select your tables carefully and you can still have a decent game. Regs cant play 24/7.
Rakeback will always be a major factor for full time poker players, with cash generally being tougher these days a lot of them will take a break even scenario if they can earn 2-3k a month from rakeback. £3k is equivalent to about £50k in a full time job.
Beaneh (he soo reminds me of rowan atkinson!) is one of the few regs who has come out with a good arguement but dont blame the players blame the sites.
Lets face it....the site has gone to the dogs.Player numbers on the decline.Site saturated with donkathon bounty hunter tournaments and satellites.Hardly any decent tournaments any more.Thankfully Full Tilt is back.Im off to play some proper tournaments.Bye Bye Sky
In Response to Re: Regs killing cash games? : Lol I dont particularly try and play happy hours, i just play randomly really :-), I can't really complain as i will probably get to 15000 c4p's this month but the games in Novemeber are defiantly alot worse than in September and i think the Kings of Cash are partly to blame. I think if any recreational players played for 2+ hours in October they would of probably of lost money every day, even on fruit machines you win some of the time so i don't know why they would return. If sky spent more money on advertising and giving loosing players free money/free tourny's occasionally instead of c4p's i think the site would be a more fun place to play. I also agree with Beaneh that the regs that always move seat to get position on the bad player is terrible etiquette. Posted by DeuceAK_47
I actually posted about this last week saying it's got tough to get paid in cash. You must play loads to get 15k in points! I have 2.5k atm.
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Beaneh for Prime Minister. Absolutely spot on re contributed rake.
What happened to the debate/vote organised by Sky a few months ago?
Love your rants always make me smile.
You are always sat at my tables.
Going back to the OP, I moved to Sky after getting fed up of playing on another site that suffers the same thing - sure, I was picking up a small profit by constantly picking up undefended blinds or calling and getting an aces-beating flop, but as a casual player it just gets really dull playing such a robotic game.
Yeah the super-nits are probably better players than me and will take my money, but at least give me lots of complicated decisions along the way to give me some value for my losses
Rakeback will always be a major factor for full time poker players, with cash generally being tougher these days a lot of them will take a break even scenario if they can earn 2-3k a month from rakeback. £3k is equivalent to about £50k in a full time job.
Beaneh (he soo reminds me of rowan atkinson!) is one of the few regs who has come out with a good arguement but dont blame the players blame the sites.