Sit and Go (standard only) championship leaderboard. Similar to the Kings of Cash promo with different tiers. Could have cash or maybe prizes for the top 5/10 players for the month.
looking at the whole SNG/DYM/Tournament tabs for a long ranty post about updating a tonne of stuff the other week it seemed like there were just tonnes of structures all very similar, some 3/4/5/6/7 minute blind levels.
really think a large overhaul needs to be done with regards to structures/formats on offer and the way you view them.
offering more formats ie winner takes all, matrix style reg 1 get a few tables etc Have regimented speeds rather than a million different options some with the same names etc.
As I think Dan the photoshopman said (mass kudos) SNGs etc are TOURNAMENTS yet they are in their own tab. There should be just CASH/MTT. Then break them down from there. When looking at MTTs you should be able to see if there are SNGs close to starting off needing 1-2 runners.
Other sites have also found that people really like the middling ground, so tournament format but a couple of tables, but not enough tables that it takes too long. Many 180 man SNGs, 90 man SNGs etc run constantly for small to medium buyins on other sites. obviously I would assume with the liquidity and playerpool 180 would or even 90 would be way too high a number to have any volume of these games running. 18 man sngs maybe keeping with what seems to always be 6 handed tables?
I also deffo don't understand the use of the yellow bar in the sng area, it's use is confusing and not particularly helpful in the Tournament section in the sng section it seems egregious as all it seems to show are running tournaments and empty tournaments.
Biggest problem is sky is 6 handed so only 2 places paid and a low second place prize too thats why DYMs are the main sitngo format that everyone plays on this site. People (myself included) want to play 9 or 10 handed with 3 prizes (1st 50% 2nd 30% 3rd 20%) Unfortunately sky would not have the player base to fill a 9 or ten seated format people would get fed up and dereg
Coming at this from a different angle. I think promotions are one thing (a good thing), but visibility and people's mindsets need to change to drive more traffic? By being 'clever' and cross promoting SNGs, within the "Tournament" tab, when they are say, 70% full, or permanently pinning a couple to the top of the tournament lobby, I think they could fill rapidly. Know a lot of people who pop straight onto the tournament lobby and sign up for the next £3.30 BH or £2.20 f/o, that's at the top of the list. See attached (really bad photoshopped - sorry) image to illustrate point. Dan Posted by dtm75
It is an interesting question. As a recreatioal player and relatively who plays low volume, i want to compare myself to others as a way of seeing progress. I find that the number of types of games is more of a put-off than attraction. I've found a couple i like and i've got strategies for them. Yes, maybe others will be introduced in time. You just can't see the wood for the trees. May i say that the loss of the league tables was a big mistake in my opinion as it enabled players to 'see' improvement. There doesn't seem to have been any reason whatsoever for it thought the fact that it doesn't create monet literally may be a part. The recreational player is not a grinder by defn but sees the site as being totally weighted towards them. Yes, it is a business but if that 'wall' of volume has to be climbed at least let small volume players be involved in some type of league where here is a chance of appearing on a board. Yhough this has little to do with stt's why not have league board of various things eg successive dym's , highest roi's in mtt's for different levels aetc Top 20 results in a month say with five prizes to best roi's and a min number of games to qualify. You may find that it converts players to the 'grind' and so promotes more action.
After all we say average but mathematically there are three types of average ie mean(usual one),median(midde one when placed in order), mode(most common value) so there could be small scale leagues with different statistical goals. I understand that sky poker bring out promotions to increase volume but i do feel that, in general, the low volume user, feels ignored and will not try to get involved. This is losing potential long term players. For low volume players, how about 18 man T's with payment for Ft. say money back 6,5,4 then step ups for 1,2,3. The length of these T's and blind levels etc need others to sort out but as long as its not a donk fest and there's a feeling of acheivement for one, reaching the FT and taking it down then i think it would appeal to someone for £3.30-£5.50. The rational would be one third come out the other side instead of 50% in dym's which can be formulaic. I'm not sure what will come from this thread but its good to see SKY trying....
A league system much like the K4C promotion a couple of months ago would be good. Obviously at different buyins and probably reward performance rather than volume but I guess both would be included as Sky are here to make money.
If you play a 6 man SNG and come 6th you get 1 point if you come 1st you get 6 points and see who has the best average, points divided by games. With a minimum of 100 games over a month or something like that.
Haven't read through all the replies so I dunno if I'm repeating what someone has said here, but here was my reply when Ryan posted it on FB...
Put a mini jackpot on them. I know some other 'not so great' sites do this but it would definitely encourage people to play them. Ones I used to do were 12 runners, $2.40 (I think) and if you won 4 in a row, you got $2,000. I once won 3 in a row, then took a bad beat 3 handed in my 4th one ...sigh. But yeah it definitely made me wanna play them more.
Just say £2.20 10-seaters, win 4 in a row and get £75. Not gonna happen that often and even if it means they run 10 times per day more than they do now that's £20 per day of rake, and it wont get won everyday, no way
Many of the forum regs play forum sng usually 10 seater £2 games late night / early morning at weekends and a table is picked and linked posted up elsewhere. Thi usually fills up quite quickly but you inevetably get a couple of interlopers. Where as this is not a problem the game usually has a certain amount of banter attached to it which outsiders feel left out from or possibly feel that they are being colluded against.
Make it possible like the team mtt's that a person can start a game and add a password to it to reserve the game for those that want in and dont mind/enjoy the banter. This is also known on some other sites as a "home game" or "freinds game".
Haven't read through all the replies so I dunno if I'm repeating what someone has said here, but here was my reply when Ryan posted it on FB... Put a mini jackpot on them. I know some other 'not so great' sites do this but it would definitely encourage people to play them. Ones I used to do were 12 runners, $2.40 (I think) and if you won 4 in a row, you got $2,000. I once won 3 in a row, then took a bad beat 3 handed in my 4th one ...sigh. But yeah it definitely made me wanna play them more. Just say £2.20 10-seaters, win 4 in a row and get £75. Not gonna happen that often and even if it means they run 10 times per day more than they do now that's £20 per day of rake, and it wont get won everyday, no way Posted by Lambert180
The ability to have private sng's. Many of the forum regs play forum sng usually 10 seater £2 games late night / early morning at weekends and a table is picked and linked posted up elsewhere. Thi usually fills up quite quickly but you inevetably get a couple of interlopers. Where as this is not a problem the game usually has a certain amount of banter attached to it which outsiders feel left out from or possibly feel that they are being colluded against. Make it possible like the team mtt's that a person can start a game and add a password to it to reserve the game for those that want in and dont mind/enjoy the banter. This is also known on some other sites as a "home game" or "freinds game". Posted by aiken2001
+1
I've ran 3 forum HU championships and it's always a real pain trying to get your game set up with your opponent with random people joining. Although I don't think that's gonna make loads more SnGs run.
Haven't read through all the replies so I dunno if I'm repeating what someone has said here, but here was my reply when Ryan posted it on FB... Put a mini jackpot on them. I know some other 'not so great' sites do this but it would definitely encourage people to play them. Ones I used to do were 12 runners, $2.40 (I think) and if you won 4 in a row, you got $2,000. I once won 3 in a row, then took a bad beat 3 handed in my 4th one ...sigh. But yeah it definitely made me wanna play them more. Just say £2.20 10-seaters, win 4 in a row and get £75. Not gonna happen that often and even if it means they run 10 times per day more than they do now that's £20 per day of rake, and it wont get won everyday, no way Posted by Lambert180
A league system much like the K4C promotion a couple of months ago would be good. Obviously at different buyins and probably reward performance rather than volume but I guess both would be included as Sky are here to make money. If you play a 6 man SNG and come 6th you get 1 point if you come 1st you get 6 points and see who has the best average, points divided by games. With a minimum of 100 games over a month or something like that. Posted by BUFC
why not take this idea and then streamline it as in you can only play x amount of tables at a time as in 3 or 4 at a time to giving the recreational player (like me ) a chance ( lol got no chance). Offer C4P as a monthly prize to be shared out between the top 10/20/30 in the monthly league. You could make it limited games per group in a 24 hour period low group 100 games available per day, this will get ppl fighting to get on the tables to get up the ladder.
Just a thought i really should not be commenting as a new player
In Response to Re: ***Sit and Go*** Discussion to boost liquidity : why not take this idea and then streamline it as in you can only play x amount of tables at a time as in 3 or 4 at a time to giving the recreational player (like me ) a chance ( lol got no chance). Offer C4P as a monthly prize to be shared out between the top 10/20/30 in the monthly league. You could make it limited games per group in a 24 hour period low group 100 games available per day, this will get ppl fighting to get on the tables to get up the ladder. Just a thought i really should not be commenting as a new player Posted by archwiz28
1) suggesting things to replace normal schedules which involve potentially reducing rake for sky isn't gonna go down well
2) you should feel free to post your opinions, if they are valid and well reasoned people should listen and discuss them it shouldn't matter what poster said it. anonymity ftw.
If a monthly points boost is done the momentum needs to be sustained by something that continues such as a league, providing the league prizes are tangible. I wd love to play £30-£50 6 player scarys but never get any takers. I'm not interested in slower structures for sngs, thats not what I play them for.
Coming at this from a different angle. I think promotions are one thing (a good thing), but visibility and people's mindsets need to change to drive more traffic? By being 'clever' and cross promoting SNGs, within the "Tournament" tab, when they are say, 70% full, or permanently pinning a couple to the top of the tournament lobby, I think they could fill rapidly. Know a lot of people who pop straight onto the tournament lobby and sign up for the next £3.30 BH or £2.20 f/o, that's at the top of the list. See attached (really bad photoshopped - sorry) image to illustrate point. Dan Posted by dtm75
Speaking personally, I think that Post is terrific, & stands out a mile.
If it were my thread, & I were awarding prizes, you'd get one. It's not, so you don't.
Some excellent replies here. Will have a proper look thru in the morning and I'm sure that Sky are keeping an eye on this too. Cheers and do keep any thoughts coming in. Posted by scotty77
Ok so after having a good look at the replies I think that the following should be looked at:
The lobby itself and the games on offer. Have a proper clear out and reduce the variety of SnG games on offer. I would advise just having a normal SnG of 8/10 min blinds and then a Turbo with 4/5 min blinds, offering both the 6 and 12 man versions. Once the liquitity in the games picks up then add in a new variety here and there but looking at FlashFlush's post it really does seem that less will actually be more when it comes to the lobby.
DTMs idea of having some cross promotion with the MTT lobby is an excellent one too. And Beaneh saying that the yellow highlighted section in the SnG lobby is pretty redundanct is a good one.
I think that a league for SnGs will be a great way to get liquitity in the games. BoringLoner makes a fantastic point of having a weekly league will be far better for the recreational players than a monthly one. I feel that any league should be standard SnG only and Sky should make it clear which games are included. One thing that could be an issue is then people who play the HU SnG's could then be a bit miffed that they aren't included in any promos but IMO the positives far outweigh the negatives.
Other promotions could also link in with the teams/DTD and maybe also some input from the channel. Having some TV SnG on too. One guest that pops out in my mind is James Atkin, one of the most successfull SnG players in the country, and having a night dedicated to SnGs would be great IMO. Could also have presenters/analysts playing them with bounties on their heads too.
A mini Jackpot for standard SnGs is a very interesting idea too. I know that Priority had a 'hot streak' promotion where if you cashed in 10 DYMs in a row you would then get a bonus. Win 4/5 SnGs in a row to get a jackpot or a prize would def mean that people will add in another game(s) after they bink their 1st SnG win....
Well, I've just spent the better part of half an hour reg'd for 6-max SNG's at £11 and £5.50 and not one person showed any interest in joining me. The SNG lobby is depressing.
Sort it out, Scotty!
I would prefer it if this thread wasn't forgotten.
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Sit and Go (standard only) championship leaderboard. Similar to the Kings of Cash promo with different tiers. Could have cash or maybe prizes for the top 5/10 players for the month.
6 max
1-2 place get paid
£2-£w/e
REG SNG''s
SNG lobby is just a headache to navigate
Other sites have also found that people really like the middling ground, so tournament format but a couple of tables, but not enough tables that it takes too long. Many 180 man SNGs, 90 man SNGs etc run constantly for small to medium buyins on other sites. obviously I would assume with the liquidity and playerpool 180 would or even 90 would be way too high a number to have any volume of these games running. 18 man sngs maybe keeping with what seems to always be 6 handed tables?
Unfortunately sky would not have the player base to fill a 9 or ten seated format people would get fed up and dereg
I like this ^^^
It is an interesting question. As a recreatioal player and relatively who plays low volume, i want to compare myself to others as a way of seeing progress. I find that the number of types of games is more of a put-off than attraction. I've found a couple i like and i've got strategies for them. Yes, maybe others will be introduced in time. You just can't see the wood for the trees.
May i say that the loss of the league tables was a big mistake in my opinion as it enabled players to 'see' improvement. There doesn't seem to have been any reason whatsoever for it thought the fact that it doesn't create monet literally may be a part. The recreational player is not a grinder by defn but sees the site as being totally weighted towards them. Yes, it is a business but if that 'wall' of volume has to be climbed at least let small volume players be involved in some type of league where here is a chance of appearing on a board. Yhough this has little to do with stt's why not have league board of various things eg successive dym's , highest roi's in mtt's for different levels aetc Top 20 results in a month say with five prizes to best roi's and a min number of games to qualify. You may find that it converts players to the 'grind' and so promotes more action.
After all we say average but mathematically there are three types of average ie mean(usual one),median(midde one when placed in order), mode(most common value) so there could be small scale leagues with different statistical goals.
I understand that sky poker bring out promotions to increase volume but i do feel that, in general, the low volume user, feels ignored and will not try to get involved. This is losing potential long term players.
For low volume players, how about 18 man T's with payment for Ft. say money back 6,5,4 then step ups for 1,2,3. The length of these T's and blind levels etc need others to sort out but as long as its not a donk fest and there's a feeling of acheivement for one, reaching the FT and taking it down then i think it would appeal to someone for £3.30-£5.50. The rational would be one third come out the other side instead of 50% in dym's which can be formulaic.
I'm not sure what will come from this thread but its good to see SKY trying....
Put a mini jackpot on them. I know some other 'not so great' sites do this but it would definitely encourage people to play them. Ones I used to do were 12 runners, $2.40 (I think) and if you won 4 in a row, you got $2,000. I once won 3 in a row, then took a bad beat 3 handed in my 4th one ...sigh. But yeah it definitely made me wanna play them more.
Just say £2.20 10-seaters, win 4 in a row and get £75. Not gonna happen that often and even if it means they run 10 times per day more than they do now that's £20 per day of rake, and it wont get won everyday, no way
Many of the forum regs play forum sng usually 10 seater £2 games late night / early morning at weekends and a table is picked and linked posted up elsewhere. Thi usually fills up quite quickly but you inevetably get a couple of interlopers. Where as this is not a problem the game usually has a certain amount of banter attached to it which outsiders feel left out from or possibly feel that they are being colluded against.
Make it possible like the team mtt's that a person can start a game and add a password to it to reserve the game for those that want in and dont mind/enjoy the banter. This is also known on some other sites as a "home game" or "freinds game".
I've ran 3 forum HU championships and it's always a real pain trying to get your game set up with your opponent with random people joining. Although I don't think that's gonna make loads more SnGs run.
You could make it limited games per group in a 24 hour period low group 100 games available per day, this will get ppl fighting to get on the tables to get up the ladder.
Just a thought i really should not be commenting as a new player
Speaking personally, I think that Post is terrific, & stands out a mile.
If it were my thread, & I were awarding prizes, you'd get one. It's not, so you don't.
Thanks Mr 75.
Sort it out, Scotty!
I would prefer it if this thread wasn't forgotten.