In Response to Re: Get in the Hole! 2013 Season! (WGC Bridgestone) Year Profit: +554.96pts : cheers splash looking forward to it!! enjoy the holiday! Haven't done my bets either because haven't got round to joining another site yet lol prob be betfair though because my bro sent me a refer a friend promo. my bets will be: WGC Kuchar - looks like his game is in great shape at the moment £5ew Johnson - another who's form has steadily been improving £5ew Just for fun in the reno Tahoe and champions tour I'm gonna do some doubles and trebles with my bridgestone picks. Renoe Tahoe chad Campbell sabbatini Champions Tour Duffy Waldorf Jay Haas so that's 24 10p ew doubles and 12 10p ew trebles for a total stake of £4 lol Posted by jdsallstar
my doubles and trebles still have a chance of the ew bits. Johnson top 5 already, Jay has sittin t4 with other two t4's playing the par 5 18th eek and Sabatini sitting t7 thru 6. come on!!! lol
edit: haas guaranteed top 5 now! unfortunately Johnson in dead heat (3 players for 2 places). haas could be the same scenario.
Sabatini missed out on top 5 by 1 point grrrrrr. Got the ew double for Johnson and haas so got my money back lol
I had plenty of study time last week and identified a 'long short list' of players that I thought would be suited to the East Course at Oak Hill this week and was full of confidence, but after reading the conflicting comments of Steve Bamford and Ben Coley my confidence is taking a bit of a hit.
Ben Coley says....accurate but relatively short hitters can / have competed on this course.
Steve Bamford believes......anyone who drives the ball less than 290 yards can't compete here.
If thats the case you would be discounting everyone below Lee Westwood on the PGA driving distance stats and that equates to roughly half the field.
Yet Phil Mickleson is quoted as saying that 290 yards is the 'cut off' distance for the tee shot on many of the holes and I'm sure Butch Harmon has said the players won't be relying on driver as much as they do on a regular week.
Long or short, it looks like accuracy will be a premium, I read a GMac comment last week where he said the rough was really severe.
Sounds similar to a US Open set up, but if lack of length off the tee is an issue, then players like GMac may be at a disadvantage.
Anyway my stragegy for Majors, is back a few selections ante-posts and then once I've digested all the information available during the week of the major, i will either add players to my portfolio or if my confidence grows and the value is still there for any of my ante post picks I might increase those bets.
Then I always go for my weakness which is a handful of players at 3 figure odds.
So, my ante post picks are:
Henrik Stenson - 30/1, only just an ante post bet as I backed him yesterday before the final round and only just a 'value bet', only beaten by Phil Mickleson and Tiger Woods in his last 3 events, if he can maintain that level of form and his consistency from tee to green, must go close again.
Keegan Bradley - 50/1, I've been really impressed with the way he handles himself when he gets into contention, ranked 3rd for total driving and looks to be playing himself into form, backed up by his tied 2nd last week.
Charl Schwartzel - 50/1, I've not backed him or particularly fancied him all year and his bad habit of throwing in one bad round in 4 is a concern, but he gets my vote this week, thanks mainly to his ability to find the green more than most from 200+ yards, his big game mentality and his ew value at 50/1.
Martin Kaymer - 80/1, For the last 6 weeks or so, I feel I have the opposite opinion to the 'experts' about Martin Kaymer, the popular opinions seem to be that he's lost his game, he shouldn't have tried to change his swing, he's not the player he was and so on.
I actually think he is / will be a better player for the work he did on his swing, I think he has been playing much better than his pga tour stats suggest, he's played a selective schedule this year, which I believe will benefit him from now until the end of the year and as his tied 9th last week suggests, he is actually coming into form.
Graham DeLaet - 200/1, where accuracy will be a premium, it can't be a bad thing to be ranked number one for total driving and number one for GIR. Had a very good season, which moved to the next level by qualifying for his first major, The Open, made the cut but struggled at the weekend and followed that up with a missed cut at his National Open, a tournament he has never played will in. Well rested and plays well when fresh. History shows that a long shot can win the PGA, Delaet has more game than most to pull the shock off.
I have a terrible record in all WGC's and Majors, so I think I'm going to draw a line through this week, put a average bet on Woods win only and just watch.
was gonna do the without tiger market but thought to **** with it and have just done standard outright. had funds on here so prices skinny enough but sure.
just looking at my account and I already have some bets I put on before/during british open:
Kuchar 36/1 McDowell 34/1 Stenson 66/1 (that looks a pretty decent bet now at those odds) Haas 80/1 Cabrera 100/1
might put a 5 quid on first round leaders or might put on some doubles/trebles with any other events on lol
oh and I have a no deposit £10 free bet for signing up to betfred to use on someone! might go Zach Johnson, duffner or Bradley (he seems to like this time of year) with this.
My Lively Outsiders, all short-listed after some in depth analysis are: Ryan Moore - 110/1 Boo Weekley - 200/1 Chris Kirk - 200/1 Ryan Palmer -200/1 Matt Jones - 250/1 Jimmy Walker - 250/1 All each way first 6 Posted by TheDart
Having watched Matt Jones a couple of times I think he's got bags of potential.
I had plenty of study time last week and identified a 'long short list' of players that I thought would be suited to the East Course at Oak Hill this week and was full of confidence, but after reading the conflicting comments of Steve Bamford and Ben Coley my confidence is taking a bit of a hit. Ben Coley says....accurate but relatively short hitters can / have competed on this course. Steve Bamford believes......anyone who drives the ball less than 290 yards can't compete here. If thats the case you would be discounting everyone below Lee Westwood on the PGA driving distance stats and that equates to roughly half the field. Yet Phil Mickleson is quoted as saying that 290 yards is the 'cut off' distance for the tee shot on many of the holes and I'm sure Butch Harmon has said the players won't be relying on driver as much as they do on a regular week. Long or short, it looks like accuracy will be a premium, I read a GMac comment last week where he said the rough was really severe. Sounds similar to a US Open set up, but if lack of length off the tee is an issue, then players like GMac may be at a disadvantage. What's everyone else's thoughts at this stage? Posted by TheDart
Just checked the Steve Bamford website and seems I no longer need be confused.
It would appear Steve Bamford has removed (without explanation) the section about ruling out any one with driving stats below 290.
Fans of Francesco Molinari, Greame Mcdowell, etc, look away now, were his initial comments in giving them no chance due to their relative shorter distance off the tee.
Seems he's had a change of heart with 3 out of his 5 players being ranked outside the top 100 for driving distance.
I'd not really taken any notice of this website until he was on the SkyPoker show before The Open, (where he suggested Phil Mickleson couldn't win The Open as he had just won the Scottish Open).
I see in 2013 he has only managed to tip one winner in Tiger Woods at 3/1.
Think I'll be thinking twice before taking notice of Steve Bamford again.
yeah good point, but id kind of figured this out meself with Bill Haas as hes on avg about 288/289 but Shaun Micheel was the same when he won it so even though Bamford initially highlighted doubts that WILL it play that short (just over 7000 yards compared to more familiar par 70 course 7400 or whatever) then hes clearly weighed up that it just might. seemingly!
yeah good point, but id kind of figured this out meself with Bill Haas as hes on avg about 288/289 but Shaun Micheel was the same when he won it so even though Bamford initially highlighted doubts that WILL it play that short (just over 7000 yards compared to more familiar par 70 course 7400 or whatever) then hes clearly weighed up that it just might. seemingly! Posted by BELL_POKER
Yeah, just a bit narked I let his comments sway me a little last week, in ruling out GMac and a few others.
He was using comparisons to Firestone and I understood a long time ago that players like Gmac just can't compete there.
Plus I would have liked to have seen an explanation in his column, along the lines of 'after ruling out anyone who drives the ball less than 290 yards, I've had a rethink and decided my initial thoughts were wrong', he'd get much more respect and trust, rather than delete and pretend I never said it stance.
Anyway I appreciate its all 'free knwoledge' and we can take it, leave it or use as we so decide.
Actually he may have done me a favour, if I'd backed GMac last week, he was a best priced 50/1, he's now out to 66/1, so if I add him to my portfolio now, I'm getting value.
In Response to Re: Get in the Hole! 2013 Season! (WGC Bridgestone) Year Profit: +554.96pts : Having watched Matt Jones a couple of times I think he's got bags of potential. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k1Wv3UG1Kg Pretty textbook swing that you cant see too much going wrong with. Not sure he's ready to win one of these yet but you never know. I've included him in my first leader bets anyway. Posted by jdsallstar
Probably ten years ago or more, he was tipped as Australia's 'next big thing', I'm not too sure what went wrong.
I think he had a few injuries and obviously lost his way.
He's had bits of form over the years, but this year he's starting to look like the real deal, I backed him at 250/1 when he was second last month, so he's one of my favourites at the moment.
He pulled out of the Canadian Open with a DNS, I'm not sure what the problem was there?
Like you say to compete in this event over 4 days is a big ask and you may be right, that the first round leader market is the better option.
In Response to Re: Get in the Hole! 2013 Season! (WGC Bridgestone) Year Profit: +554.96pts : Yeah, just a bit narked I let his comments sway me a little last week, in ruling out GMac and a few others. He was using comparisons to Firestone and I understood a long time ago that players like Gmac just can't compete there. Plus I would have liked to have seen an explanation in his column, along the lines of 'after ruling out anyone who drives the ball less than 290 yards, I've had a rethink and decided my initial thoughts were wrong', he'd get much more respect and trust, rather than delete and pretend I never said it stance. Anyway I appreciate its all 'free knwoledge' and we can take it, leave it or use as we so decide. Actually he may have done me a favour, if I'd backed GMac last week, he was a best priced 50/1, he's now out to 66/1, so if I add him to my portfolio now, I'm getting value. Posted by TheDart
Morning Dart. Just picking up on what you said above - is that purely just a length of the tee thing? just curious in case there's something else i'm missing for future events.
Looking at his form in 2011 and 2012 he has gone on a turbo charged run of good results from the WGC bridgestone onwards in both years - can it happen again?!
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edit: haas guaranteed top 5 now! unfortunately Johnson in dead heat (3 players for 2 places). haas could be the same scenario.
Sabatini missed out on top 5 by 1 point grrrrrr. Got the ew double for Johnson and haas so got my money back lol
I had plenty of study time last week and identified a 'long short list' of players that I thought would be suited to the East Course at Oak Hill this week and was full of confidence, but after reading the conflicting comments of Steve Bamford and Ben Coley my confidence is taking a bit of a hit.
Ben Coley says....accurate but relatively short hitters can / have competed on this course.
Steve Bamford believes......anyone who drives the ball less than 290 yards can't compete here.
If thats the case you would be discounting everyone below Lee Westwood on the PGA driving distance stats and that equates to roughly half the field.
Yet Phil Mickleson is quoted as saying that 290 yards is the 'cut off' distance for the tee shot on many of the holes and I'm sure Butch Harmon has said the players won't be relying on driver as much as they do on a regular week.
Long or short, it looks like accuracy will be a premium, I read a GMac comment last week where he said the rough was really severe.
Sounds similar to a US Open set up, but if lack of length off the tee is an issue, then players like GMac may be at a disadvantage.
What's everyone else's thoughts at this stage?
Then I always go for my weakness which is a handful of players at 3 figure odds.
So, my ante post picks are:
Henrik Stenson - 30/1, only just an ante post bet as I backed him yesterday before the final round and only just a 'value bet', only beaten by Phil Mickleson and Tiger Woods in his last 3 events, if he can maintain that level of form and his consistency from tee to green, must go close again.
Keegan Bradley - 50/1, I've been really impressed with the way he handles himself when he gets into contention, ranked 3rd for total driving and looks to be playing himself into form, backed up by his tied 2nd last week.
Charl Schwartzel - 50/1, I've not backed him or particularly fancied him all year and his bad habit of throwing in one bad round in 4 is a concern, but he gets my vote this week, thanks mainly to his ability to find the green more than most from 200+ yards, his big game mentality and his ew value at 50/1.
Martin Kaymer - 80/1, For the last 6 weeks or so, I feel I have the opposite opinion to the 'experts' about Martin Kaymer, the popular opinions seem to be that he's lost his game, he shouldn't have tried to change his swing, he's not the player he was and so on.
I actually think he is / will be a better player for the work he did on his swing, I think he has been playing much better than his pga tour stats suggest, he's played a selective schedule this year, which I believe will benefit him from now until the end of the year and as his tied 9th last week suggests, he is actually coming into form.
Graham DeLaet - 200/1, where accuracy will be a premium, it can't be a bad thing to be ranked number one for total driving and number one for GIR. Had a very good season, which moved to the next level by qualifying for his first major, The Open, made the cut but struggled at the weekend and followed that up with a missed cut at his National Open, a tournament he has never played will in. Well rested and plays well when fresh. History shows that a long shot can win the PGA, Delaet has more game than most to pull the shock off.
Kuchar 36/1
McDowell 34/1
Stenson 66/1 (that looks a pretty decent bet now at those odds)
Haas 80/1
Cabrera 100/1
might put a 5 quid on first round leaders or might put on some doubles/trebles with any other events on lol
oh and I have a no deposit £10 free bet for signing up to betfred to use on someone! might go Zach Johnson, duffner or Bradley (he seems to like this time of year) with this.
Rory McIlroy 33/1
Matt Kuchar 30/1
Brandt Sneeker 28/1
£5 e/w on each
Phil Micklson 16/1 £10 ew
Tiger woods 4/1 £40 win
PGA Championship 2013
Keegan Bradley 40/1
Thomas Bjorn 150/1
David Lingmerth 150/1
Matt Jones 175/1
£1 ew
Ryan Moore - 110/1
Boo Weekley - 200/1
Chris Kirk - 200/1
Ryan Palmer -200/1
Matt Jones - 250/1
Jimmy Walker - 250/1
All each way first 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k1Wv3UG1Kg
Pretty textbook swing that you cant see too much going wrong with.
Not sure he's ready to win one of these yet but you never know. I've included him in my first leader bets anyway.
Just checked the Steve Bamford website and seems I no longer need be confused.
It would appear Steve Bamford has removed (without explanation) the section about ruling out any one with driving stats below 290.
Fans of Francesco Molinari, Greame Mcdowell, etc, look away now, were his initial comments in giving them no chance due to their relative shorter distance off the tee.
Seems he's had a change of heart with 3 out of his 5 players being ranked outside the top 100 for driving distance.
I'd not really taken any notice of this website until he was on the SkyPoker show before The Open, (where he suggested Phil Mickleson couldn't win The Open as he had just won the Scottish Open).
I see in 2013 he has only managed to tip one winner in Tiger Woods at 3/1.
Think I'll be thinking twice before taking notice of Steve Bamford again.
That said he'll probably tip the winner this week
He was using comparisons to Firestone and I understood a long time ago that players like Gmac just can't compete there.
Plus I would have liked to have seen an explanation in his column, along the lines of 'after ruling out anyone who drives the ball less than 290 yards, I've had a rethink and decided my initial thoughts were wrong', he'd get much more respect and trust, rather than delete and pretend I never said it stance.
Anyway I appreciate its all 'free knwoledge' and we can take it, leave it or use as we so decide.
Actually he may have done me a favour, if I'd backed GMac last week, he was a best priced 50/1, he's now out to 66/1, so if I add him to my portfolio now, I'm getting value.
I think he had a few injuries and obviously lost his way.
He's had bits of form over the years, but this year he's starting to look like the real deal, I backed him at 250/1 when he was second last month, so he's one of my favourites at the moment.
He pulled out of the Canadian Open with a DNS, I'm not sure what the problem was there?
Like you say to compete in this event over 4 days is a big ask and you may be right, that the first round leader market is the better option.
To be fair he's put up some decent selections with good justifications and explanations.
None of which I've backed!
http://www.officialworldgolfranking.com/players/bio.sps?ID=10091&name=Rory&Rank=3&TotalPts=399.48535
Looking at his form in 2011 and 2012 he has gone on a turbo charged run of good results from the WGC bridgestone onwards in both years - can it happen again?!