In Response to Re: NL50 facing pot sized river jam : Your reads are that oppo c/bets gives up when overcards come and hits pot size when they have it Flop and turn is niether So oppo either has a marignal v/h come turn that oppo doesn't want to let go off or has a monster and does'nt always play the same or misses everything and jams it in your eye with bluffs Given that oppo doesn't like playing 3 bet pots post so oppo seems either keen to bluff you or take you to a place called v/t Seems unlikely oppo going to be shoving 10's even AQ. Maybe your reads are incorrect or I am missing something Fact that oppo jams river polarises to effective nuts or bluff imo " about 20hands before villan had stacked somone by floppin a set and jus bet bet bet pot on all 3 streets.. i have reads on his bet sizin vs hand strenth which is fairly reliable but not concrete but i am sure that this person will not be balancin this in any way.. player notes- 3bet KK from BB, c/bet A78 then snap gives up tryin to play back at me? bets full pot with nut hands snap calls with drawing hands? plays starightforward but gettin OOL?" Posted by rancid
no lol that is one observation note..lol
my strongest read on thios player is his bet sizing IE full pot= strong
less = weak
i think we'll stick to limited history and borin hands on here yeeeeeee
jesus this forum is difficult..!! im not postin sayin im the greatest, or sayin ive played this hand in anyway perfect..!! tbh im bored of the rubbish posts that deveop tardish answers.. i may post the same hand in a different forum jus to see how different the answers will be and post the link here, that'll be interestin.. i havnt posted that hand to say ' look at me im playin 95 in a 3bet pot vs sum spewtard'.. if u look at my OP u'll see what i was after and thats the reason i tried to detail the game with history- 1 so given this history and apply to this hand do we call?2. whats villan holding/doin?3thoughts on hand? 4 whats the min we call with ? intersting..!! thoughts?? only one question was answered an thats ur thoughts on hand.. all are welcome to that was lookin for more logical and in depths answers.. maybe askin the wrong forum regs ay ?? Posted by LnarinOO
1, this is a really tough question to answer even with in depth history, its not a situation where you can get sufficient reads on, so it becomes a act of instincts almost.
2. i could guess all day long and not getting close to becoming right, he repping a 3, over pair or some sh ait?.
3, answered that ay.
4, even if we had a Qx hand we would still be in the same scenario tbh, AQ is likely the worst i call with idk.
I reckon you called he showed AK, wd you are a genius.
In Response to Re: NL50 facing pot sized river jam : no lol that is one observation note..lol my strongest read on thios player is his bet sizing IE full pot= strong less = weak i think we'll stick to limited history and borin hands on here yeeeeeee Posted by LnarinOO
obviously this hand is too complicated for us simple folk )
Now your all confused because your soley think big = big, small = small and when oppo shoves river like yeah WTF Such an easy bluff or has u beat spot, get over yourself
In Response to Re: NL50 facing pot sized river jam : obviously this hand is too complicated for us simple folk ) Now your all confused because your soley think big = big, small = small and when oppo shoves river like yeah WTF Such an easy bluff or has u beat spot, get over yourself good luck, your attitude stinks Posted by rancid
In Response to Re: NL50 facing pot sized river jam : obviously this hand is too complicated for us simple folk ) Now your all confused because your soley think big = big, small = small and when oppo shoves river like yeah WTF Such an easy bluff or has u beat spot, get over yourself good luck, your attitude stinks Posted by rancid
thanks for ur imput ill take it onborad.. im soley confused about this forum, how have i angered u looooooooool ... wen postin i was looking for maybe a broken down logical answer in the way of ranges and callin ranges given the dynamics.. how does my attitude stink lol maybe u should get over urself..!!
In Response to Re: NL50 facing pot sized river jam : thanks for ur imput ill take it onborad.. im soley confused about this forum, how have i angered u looooooooool ... wen postin i was looking for maybe a broken down logical answer in the way of ranges and callin ranges given the dynamics.. how does my attitude stink lol maybe u should get over urself..!! Posted by LnarinOO
ok..............................draw line under it I know it's dots and not a line bue w/e let's not argue )
well u can only call with a 5!!! if oppo is bluffing -
What could you call with and be ahead, well if you called then you would know this so why are you asking. So even though your asking for calling ranges, I think you know the answer.
I understand where your coming from what is oppo doing this with, makes no sense -_- But I think it makes more sense than you think and is never a holding like AQ/10'S.
only jokin before u go off on one saved me postin it and of course i dont mind (unsure why u have done it tho?).. i jus thought it was an interestin spot given history, maybe im mad who knows ..!! no harm done , now gimme ur money !!!
In Response to Re: NL50 facing pot sized river jam : ur attitude stinks only jokin before u go off on one saved me postin it and of course i dont mind (unsure why u have done it tho?).. i jus thought it was an interestin spot given history, maybe im mad who knows ..!! no harm done , now gimme ur money !!! Posted by LnarinOO
agree XD
was just bored tbh, also to show most forums are the same, when it comes to peeps slating other peoples play.
One consolation mate, there is one guy that agrees with your play, but he cant spel so he is propablly a fich (such a generalisation)
as i said i i would have posted it too i do think it was interetin and can produce good discussion, i stick by my reasonings and thoughts of why i played the hand i did, jus dont get some responces on here, but every entitled to their veiw i guess..
as i said i i would have posted it too i do think it was interetin and can produce good discussion, i stick by my reasonings and thoughts of why i played the hand i did, jus dont get some responces on here, but every entitled to their veiw i guess.. Posted by LnarinOO
well keep posting!! it was interesting i suppose, also can do with the reads! looks like you can be a handful, if we clash at the tables that is.
In Response to Re: NL50 facing pot sized river jam : well keep posting!! it was interesting i suppose, also can do with the reads! looks like you can be a handful, if we clash at the tables that is. So anyhoo, he had AK right!? you won? Posted by WHOAMI196
read my post on the other forum all is told my friend..!
In Response to Re: NL50 facing pot sized river jam : fair play, good read/instincts.. Posted by WHOAMI196
well not quite.. we chopped it up .. but thats where i wanted to go with this didnt want it to be results orientated so kept river out.. i was shocked to see a pair as felt he'd try to get show down.. given this river info makes it probally a bad call - cos he turnes his pairs into a bluff and kinda de-polarises his range (on this occasion) .. i lose to that range..!! but at the time tought it was quads or complete air..!!
In Response to Re: NL50 facing pot sized river jam : well not quite.. we chopped it up .. but thats where i wanted to go with this didnt want it to be results orientated so kept river out.. i was shocked to see a pair as felt he'd try to get show down.. given this river info makes it probally a bad call - cos he turnes his pairs into a bluff and kinda de-polarises his range (on this occasion) .. i lose to that range..!! but at the time tought it was quads or complete air..!! Posted by LnarinOO
Ahh ye didnt spot that, nor did i twig that him having what he had was a bad thing; a good point that ... well if we had a Qx it would be a polarised spot, i guess we just have to make sure we beat hands with little or no SD value.
do u really think oppo is shoving for value, would seem in oppo head they think they are 100% bluffing
don't think oppo is merging at all, unless oppo thinks your calling with ace high
think your going to be behind more often even if you had 10's
but mmmm, u just never know though would oppo really turn 8's into a bluff
don't think they can give you great advice anyway without PT stats
quite an odd spot too because what is your range that u can catch bluffs on river with that beats 88 for example and raises turn :S
-- don't think you will ever get too much in depth talk on here because everyone is posting with player alias so they kinda don't wanna reveal too much-- indepth is good elsewhere tbh I just thought u was putting the forum down a bit and belittling people on the forum - but hey ho
no i no he's not purposly mergin, was jus shocked to see any pair there and thats why i initally asked whats the min we call with ... if im at river with 95 then i could be there with a massive range and given the fact i didnt anticipate havin to call with that range rather than my inital plan of jammin myself as a bluff.. i was curious at waht point should i call... in play i call with bootom of my range vs wot im belive to be allor nothing.. in reality he got to river with a missed gutshot had enough and thinks **** it.. maybe with 88 he bluff jams turn who knows ey...
Lol He said dont defend the hand..(95) not dont defend the player lol ( don't defend this hand pre for god's sake. 95s is as crapy as it gets.) ( thanks for the comment, i am not defending this guy btw, i agree with you) Made me chuckle Posted by shaun09
yawn, i did speed read his post and spotted my mistake but could not delete it for some reason, but whatever.
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obviously this hand is too complicated for us simple folk )
Now your all confused because your soley think big = big, small = small and when oppo shoves river like yeah WTF
Such an easy bluff or has u beat spot, get over yourself
good luck, your attitude stinks
I know it's dots and not a line bue w/e let's not argue )
well u can only call with a 5!!! if oppo is bluffing -
What could you call with and be ahead, well if you called then you would know this so why are you asking.
So even though your asking for calling ranges, I think you know the answer.
I understand where your coming from what is oppo doing this with, makes no sense -_-
But I think it makes more sense than you think and is never a holding like AQ/10'S.
don't think oppo is merging at all, unless oppo thinks your calling with ace high
think your going to be behind more often even if you had 10's
but mmmm, u just never know though would oppo really turn 8's into a bluff
don't think they can give you great advice anyway without PT stats
quite an odd spot too because what is your range that u can catch bluffs on river with that beats 88 for example and raises turn :S
-- don't think you will ever get too much in depth talk on here because everyone is posting with player alias so they kinda don't wanna reveal too much-- indepth is good elsewhere tbh
I just thought u was putting the forum down a bit and belittling people on the forum - but hey ho
cu around gg