could i play these 6 hands better

lfccarl · October 2019

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
tacg	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.11
Stabler	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£9.47
	Your hole cards	A A
Recon8	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£4.85
Drooper68	Call		£0.12	£0.30	£2.63
lfccarl	Raise		£0.54	£0.84	£11.74
tacg	Fold
Stabler	Call		£0.50	£1.34	£8.97
Recon8	Fold
Drooper68	Call		£0.42	£1.76	£2.21
Flop
		2 2 Q
Stabler	Check
Drooper68	Check
lfccarl	Bet		£1.36	£3.12	£10.38
Stabler	Fold
Drooper68	Fold
lfccarl	Muck
lfccarl	Win		£1.62		£12.00
lfccarl	Return		£1.36	£0.14	£13.36

lfccarl · October 2019

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Recon8	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.97
Drooper68	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£5.67
	Your hole cards	6 6
lfccarl	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£7.40
Baberaham	Call		£0.12	£0.30	£1.72
tacg	Call		£0.12	£0.42	£1.39
Stabler	Call		£0.12	£0.54	£9.62
Recon8	Fold
Drooper68	Call		£0.08	£0.62	£5.59
Flop
		6 8 10
Drooper68	Bet		£0.31	£0.93	£5.28
lfccarl	Call		£0.31	£1.24	£7.09
Baberaham	Call		£0.31	£1.55	£1.41
tacg	Call		£0.31	£1.86	£1.08
Stabler	Call		£0.31	£2.17	£9.31
Turn
		Q
Drooper68	Bet		£1.09	£3.26	£4.19
lfccarl	Call		£1.09	£4.35	£6.00
Baberaham	All-in		£1.41	£5.76	£0.00
tacg	Fold
Stabler	Fold
Drooper68	Call		£0.32	£6.08	£3.87
lfccarl	Call		£0.32	£6.40	£5.68
River
		10
Drooper68	Bet		£0.88	£7.28	£2.99
lfccarl	Call		£0.88	£8.16	£4.80
Baberaham	Show	J 9
Drooper68	Muck	9 7
lfccarl	Show	6 6
lfccarl	Win	Full House, 6s and 10s	£7.54		£12.34

lfccarl · October 2019

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
lfccarl	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.94
tacg	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.83
	Your hole cards	10 10
Stabler	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£13.50
Recon8	Fold
Drooper68	Fold
lfccarl	Raise		£0.38	£0.60	£3.56
tacg	Fold
Stabler	Call		£0.24	£0.84	£13.26
Flop
		7 9 7
lfccarl	Bet		£0.63	£1.47	£2.93
Stabler	Call		£0.63	£2.10	£12.63
Turn
		3
lfccarl	Bet		£1.05	£3.15	£1.88
Stabler	Call		£1.05	£4.20	£11.58
River
		8
lfccarl	All-in		£1.88	£6.08	£0.00
Stabler	Call		£1.88	£7.96	£9.70
lfccarl	Show	10 10
Stabler	Show	10 9
lfccarl	Win	Two Pairs, 10s and 7s	£7.36		£7.36

lfccarl · October 2019

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Headman555	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.57
GGMU2010	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£5.43
	Your hole cards	10 10
lfccarl	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£3.39
bettingben	Fold
hodge04	Call		£0.20	£0.46	£2.09
Headman555	Fold
GGMU2010	Fold
Flop
		Q 6 9
lfccarl	Bet		£0.35	£0.81	£3.04
hodge04	Call		£0.35	£1.16	£1.74
Turn
		4
lfccarl	Check
hodge04	Bet		£1.16	£2.32	£0.58
lfccarl	Call		£1.16	£3.48	£1.88
River
		7
lfccarl	Check
hodge04	All-in		£0.58	£4.06	£0.00
lfccarl	Call		£0.58	£4.64	£1.30
lfccarl	Show	10 10
hodge04	Show	7 10
lfccarl	Win	Pair of 10s	£4.29		£5.59

lfccarl · October 2019

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
evens09	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.68
Rhythmick1	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.15
	Your hole cards	10 K
lfccarl	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£3.67
bettingben	Fold
Recon8	Fold
cjg52	Fold
evens09	Call		£0.14	£0.36	£3.54
Rhythmick1	Fold
Flop
		K J 7
evens09	Check
lfccarl	Bet		£0.27	£0.63	£3.40
evens09	Call		£0.27	£0.90	£3.27
Turn
		2
evens09	Check
lfccarl	Bet		£0.32	£1.22	£3.08
evens09	Call		£0.32	£1.54	£2.95
River
		K
evens09	Bet		£0.77	£2.31	£2.18
lfccarl	Call		£0.77	£3.08	£2.31
evens09	Show	8 8
lfccarl	Show	10 K
lfccarl	Win	Three Kings	£2.84		£5.15

lfccarl · October 2019

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
ANTC4	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£5.06
essexdamo	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.78
	Your hole cards	10 10
jock195119	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.62
jetjet29	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.01
lfccarl	Raise		£0.24	£0.38	£3.37
filchy	Fold
ANTC4	Fold
essexdamo	Fold
jock195119	Call		£0.20	£0.58	£4.42
jetjet29	Fold
Flop
		6 Q 6
jock195119	Bet		£0.29	£0.87	£4.13
lfccarl	Call		£0.29	£1.16	£3.08
Turn
		9
jock195119	Bet		£0.58	£1.74	£3.55
lfccarl	Call		£0.58	£2.32	£2.50
River
		J
jock195119	Check
lfccarl	Check
jock195119	Show	Q K
lfccarl	Muck	10 10
jock195119	Win	Two Pairs, Queens and 6s	£2.14		£5.69

JJBinks · October 2019

Maybe do like 1 or 2 hands at a time, so it might be better for learning if you get a thread going its easy to focus on the hands, I would also try to add other info if you have it, like players tendencies, history you may have if any ect.

Any small info can help build a better understanding of how to maximize e.v ( expected value ) in a hand.

Just to add, try to think and ask questions in ranges - so like how should my range be constructed in this spot - what parts of my range do I put in to checking / betting / raise ect.

Tikay10 · October 2019

@JJBinks

That's all very fair comment. Certainly, posting hands 1 or 2 at a time is likely to yield better answers, 6 at once is too many.

Maybe you could help many by explaining these comments;

"...so like how should my range be constructed in this spot - what parts of my range do I put in to checking...

What is a "range", & what do we mean by "construct a range"?

Angmar2626 · October 2019

I would try to plan ahead more with sizings. ie, if we bet x on this street what will the effective stack to pot ratio (SPR) be on the next street. It's easy to just mash 1/2 pot or 3/4 pot because there are options to click for those, but it's more effective to think about what you're trying to achieve when you're betting and therefore what sort of sizing will do that job the most efficiently.

JJBinks · October 2019

If we open from any position at the table we do with x% of starting hand for example 12 to 15% utg ( under the gun )up to maybe 40 to 50% range of hands on the button, so we have a set range of hand pre flop. That's the range we take in to post flop play.

When constructing ranges I like to try to balance them the best I can, with bets for value, checks, bluffs, so if we have 10 combantions of value hands we would need bluff combos in our range, other wise we open ourselves up to being exploited. If you only bet raise when you have it, well regs can exploit you by folding all the time, as well if you have to many bluff combos in spots ( over bluffing ) you open yourself up to being exploited because the observervent players can call down light ( wider value ranges )

I know players like Groggy ect could do a lot better job than me at explaining how ranges work, so hope they can step in and help.

Tikay10 · October 2019

JJBinks said:
If we open from any position at the table we do with x% of starting hand for example 12 to 15% utg ( under the gun )up to maybe 40 to 50% range of hands on the button, so we have a set range of hand pre flop. That's the range we take in to post flop play.

When constructing ranges I like to try to balance them the best I can, with bets for value, checks, bluffs, so if we have 10 combantions of value hands we would need bluff combos in our range, other wise we open ourselves up to being exploited. If you only bet raise when you have it, well regs can exploit you by folding all the time, as well if you have to many bluff combos in spots ( over bluffing ) you open yourself up to being exploited because the observervent players can call down light ( wider value ranges )

I know players like Groggy ect could do a lot better job than me at explaining how ranges work, so hope they can step in and help.

OK, now let's go a stage further.

It's the Sunday Major, level 4, you have just been moved to a new table & don't know any of the other players. You all have, roughly, average stack.

What is your UTG range?

What is your Button range?

Presumably there are far more bluffs in the Button range?

JJBinks · October 2019

In an MTT depending how deep we are in BBs ( out side a shove stack) with same stacks, in that situation I'm opening around 80% vs unknown players, I do also have a button limp strategy which you can also use from a let's say 20 -25bb stack with a % range of hands. This is vs unknown players in this situation.

But in general the button is the place we make the most money so I want to open as much as I can.

UTG range would be very dependent on how deep we are in BB it changes alot from 15bb to 40bb stacks.
You would also need to take any ICM consideration in to account as well so again that might change open range as well

Just seen you put level 4 I missed that, so no ICM at that stage:) just chip ev so for sure not giving up my button easily.

I would say there's alot better mtt players on here that might be able to break down correct ranges than I can. Aka the goat @Duesenberg or @MattBates

FeelGroggy · October 2019

Your range is exactly that, a range of hands you get to a flop/ turn/ river with depending on the board texture and the betting actions of your opponents. Your range will have some flexibility and will be adjusted vs certain opponents, so if the nit 3bets you hands you would normally continue with might just become folds. Similarly if your on the button vs that same nit in the big blind you might open much more liberally than you should.

On a theoretical board of Q97 where you raise the button preflop, hands like 77, KQ, KT and T6s might make up part of your betting range. Here you have bluffs and value. Your checking range might include hands like T9s, Q6s, 45s, A6o. Here you have hands that are weak and are not worth putting more money into the pot with, but also hands that can take aggression if your opponent starts betting turn/ or value bet if they check again. A hand like AQ or 99 you would never want to put into this checking range, because it is simply too strong and will get you 3 streets of value frequently. A hand like Q6s 3 streets is ambitious so checking somewhere makes sense.

FeelGroggy · October 2019

Agree with @JJBinks that if you want hand analysis sending so many at once is too much and not conducive to a good discussion and any info on opponents is always good. 4nl is basically about getting value and punishing people's wide ranges by playing solid ranges yourself and betting decent amounts when you do hit, which you seem to do. You certainly missed value with the 66 hand, and perhaps the KT hand. The TT hand on Q96 I think performs better as a flop check. Hands are mainly played reasonable enough though. The TT on Q66 I would note villain donk bet into you when you were PFR when he had hit the flop and would be looking to see if this is a trend of his that I could look to exploit. Against this player type when they do check betting and barrelling becomes more lucrative because their check range becomes so much weaker.

lfccarl · October 2019

ok

JJBinks said:
Maybe do like 1 or 2 hands at a time, so it might be better for learning if you get a thread going its easy to focus on the hands, I would also try to add other info if you have it, like players tendencies, history you may have if any ect.

Any small info can help build a better understanding of how to maximize e.v ( expected value ) in a hand.

Just to add, try to think and ask questions in ranges - so like how should my range be constructed in this spot - what parts of my range do I put in to checking / betting / raise ect.

ok thank you i didnt want to put 6 post up i will from now on only post with 2 hand per post i no i should of added more info i just posted these before going to bed

Duesenberg · October 2019

Groggy's posts are absolutely spot on so there's not too much I'd look to add here.

From having a quick look at the hands posted, your sizings when raising first in seem to vary depending on the strength of your starting hand - you chose to 5x with TT, 4x with KTo and 3x with 66. This is a very poor approach to pre flop play and anyone paying attention to your game over time will have a very easy time playing against you when you're broadcasting your relative hand strength like this. Using the same open size with all the hands you choose to play is a far superior approach.

In the hand where you 3bet with TT, your sizing was far too small. When 3betting pre flop you are looking to build a pot for value with your strong hands and maximise fold equity when you're 3bet bluffing. Using a small size accomplishes neither - your opponent is priced in to continue vs all your 3bet bluffs and you miss a ton of value with your premium hands. A good rule of thumb is to make your 3bets 3x the size of the open raise if you're in position and 3.5-4x when you're are out of position.

lfccarl · October 2019

thanks for the feedback i am working on my range but on 4nl people do call down very light i played a hand a few weeks ago against someone i had no info on and he call my river all in with 32 off suit and the lowest card on the board was a 7

i see a lot of people calling down with 3rd and 4th pair a lot so i have to pick my spots in bluffing

lfccarl · October 2019

Duesenberg said:
Groggy's posts are absolutely spot on so there's not too much I'd look to add here.

From having a quick look at the hands posted, your sizings when raising first in seem to vary depending on the strength of your starting hand - you chose to 5x with TT, 4x with KTo and 3x with 66. This is a very poor approach to pre flop play and anyone paying attention to your game over time will have a very easy time playing against you when you're broadcasting your relative hand strength like this. Using the same open size with all the hands you choose to play is a far superior approach.

In the hand where you 3bet with TT, your sizing was far too small. When 3betting pre flop you are looking to build a pot for value with your strong hands and maximise fold equity when you're 3bet bluffing. Using a small size accomplishes neither - your opponent is priced in to continue vs all your 3bet bluffs and you miss a ton of value with your premium hands. A good rule of thumb is to make your 3bets 3x the size of the open raise if you're in position and 3.5-4x when you're are out of position.

with the TT hand i raise a bit more cos of the limper my normal raise is 16p with the 66 hand not sure why i made it 12p with 4 calls

i normally raise 16p plus i add on 4p for every limper i got this advice in the--don facebook group before this i was just doing 16p

Duesenberg · October 2019

Adding an extra 1bb to your open size for every limper already in the pot is very sound advice. The only reason I wondered if you were varying your open sizes on hand strength was because there was one TT hand which had no limpers in the pot and you made it 5x to go (the one with the Q69 flop). There are a lot of pocket tens above so easy to get confused!

https://blackrain79.com/ is a excellent resource for free articles on micro stakes cash if you're unfamiliar with it. Upswing Poker also have a ton of really good free articles, although some of their stuff gets a little more advanced and may not be wholly applicable to 4nl games on Sky.

lfccarl · October 2019

this is what people call 3bet with in 4nl

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
geordieal9	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.80
irishbeast	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.62
	Your hole cards	8 A
Rosh333	Raise		£0.08	£0.14	£0.22
GGMcGol	Call		£0.08	£0.22	£4.52
lfccarl	Raise		£0.24	£0.46	£3.98
geordieal9	Fold
irishbeast	Fold
Rosh333	Call		£0.16	£0.62	£0.06
GGMcGol	Call		£0.16	£0.78	£4.36
Flop
		9 3 10
Rosh333	Check
GGMcGol	Check
lfccarl	Check
Turn
		5
Rosh333	Check
GGMcGol	Check
lfccarl	Check
River
		7
Rosh333	Check
GGMcGol	Check
lfccarl	Check
Rosh333	Show	6 K
GGMcGol	Show	3 2
lfccarl	Muck	8 A
GGMcGol	Win	Pair of 3s	£0.72		£5.08

K0BAYASHl · October 2019

lfccarl said:
this is what people call 3bet with in 4nl

Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance
geordieal9 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £4.80
irishbeast Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £3.62
Your hole cards
8
A
Rosh333 Raise £0.08 £0.14 £0.22
GGMcGol Call £0.08 £0.22 £4.52
lfccarl Raise £0.24 £0.46 £3.98
geordieal9 Fold
irishbeast Fold
Rosh333 Call £0.16 £0.62 £0.06
GGMcGol Call £0.16 £0.78 £4.36
Flop
9
3
10
Rosh333 Check
GGMcGol Check
lfccarl Check
Turn
5
Rosh333 Check
GGMcGol Check
lfccarl Check
River
7
Rosh333 Check
GGMcGol Check
lfccarl Check
Rosh333 Show
6
K
GGMcGol Show
3
2
lfccarl Muck
8
A
GGMcGol Win Pair of 3s £0.72 £5.08

At 4nl you should not be 3 betting with a8o and your 3 bet is too small. Should be 3 betting larger with 2 opponents in pot (not with A80s Ofc)

could i play these 6 hands better

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