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Doubleme
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So the gambling white paper is out.
New rules mean sites will have do mandatory affordability checks on anyone who wagers more then £50. Not loses not deposits but wagers. This would include say if someone bought into 10 £5 tournaments or say they played a few heads up hypers and rematched a few times. winning or losing is irrelevant and unless the person can show they can afford to lose how much they wagered a month they will face an automatic year ban from all forms of gambling.
Any and all money wagered will have to be shown that the person can afford to lose it every penny from wage slips results from gambling does not count.
New rules mean sites will have do mandatory affordability checks on anyone who wagers more then £50. Not loses not deposits but wagers. This would include say if someone bought into 10 £5 tournaments or say they played a few heads up hypers and rematched a few times. winning or losing is irrelevant and unless the person can show they can afford to lose how much they wagered a month they will face an automatic year ban from all forms of gambling.
Any and all money wagered will have to be shown that the person can afford to lose it every penny from wage slips results from gambling does not count.
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1. To the best of my knowledge, the White Paper is not out yet. Expected in May
2. The content has not been leaked, so I certainly don't know what it will contain. Would help if you provided a link as to where your info is coming from. Rather doubt that there will be that level of detail in relation to playing poker
3. A White Paper is no more than the Government stating its intentions. It is not "law"-it contains proposals as to future Laws
Will there be some new restrictions on gambling? Probably. But not of the "we're all doomed" variety. Governments need the money that betting taxes provide.
Calm down
@PKRPar @Essexphil
Remind me of today's date please?
He can have the Chelsea one-both their fans won't be up yet.
But this one was too important...
Hope things are well Doubleme, are you thinking of going to Glasgow for the Sky tournament?
I’m crestfallen
Yes this was an april fools lol.
So I would expect it out any day now, although I do not think they would publish any white paper on April fools day.
That been said I hope they do not do something stupid in this white paper. I am not as worried about this as I once was though. There are black market sites and if I cannot play enough to make reasonable profit/ have a decent chance at making decent profit if I am good enough, on legit sites I will go to black market sites.
I would rather keep to legit sites though. So I guess time will tell. The government would have a very hard time stopping black market gambling. I am aware of people who play, play money poker games on free sites where they agree to settle balance's privately between who wins and loses certain cash amounts.
The government could go after this but how would they track that and if it comes down to it people could play over skype or some other online call service via webcam.
Unless the government wants to go full big brother state surveillance they cant kill the black market. However do I want to be dealing with some shady individuals/organization or would I rather deal with a fully licensed and regulated site? I hope the government don't force me that down path.
I really think that decisions like this should be made with people whom have a masters in statistics minimum. I would hope whoever has the final say on this would be correcting me on my misunderstanding of statistics rather then me wishing I could educate them (I am working my way through a maths and statistics degree)
Generally I deposit £200-£400 once to a poker site and that is it. If I bust that bankroll
then I need to take serious time out to consider what went wrong and why and how would I plan to change in future. Note I have not busted a poker bankroll in over a decade. If someone like me gets restricted/barred then we have a real problem.
Staking limits/wagering limits remain a real possibility until we actually see the white paper and that would kill all action. Generally if I can build up £200 to £20,000 and thus end up playing £100 or £200 tournies or sit and goes that should be my right I earned it. If however I beat £5 sit and goes and think I could beat £200 sit and goes and thus go to deposit more to play these then maybe that would be an issue.
I do not want my profit coming from broken homes and people killing themselves etc so genuinely if there is a way of restricting people that do have a problem without restricting me then fair enough it would be hard to object.
Just many things in society are can be detrimental to a few individuals, Alcohol, sugar, fat, computer games, credit cards, energy drinks, Coffee and yes Gambling. probably several more things I have not mentioned.
We should not drastically limit the freedoms of the vast majority of society because a small percentage of people may be out of control. If we can take steps to protect the vulnerable which does not restrict the rest of us then I am all for that.
My concerns are the following
1. Wagering/staking restrictions.
2. status with one site affecting status with other sites, its all fine if someone self excluded saying they have a problem etc, but if someone got marked as having a problem due to obstuse owners like GG banning winning players under player protection issues then those players been banned from all sites seems harsh. Also a site banning a player under whatever guise due to them signing up for rakeback or bonuses then not playing the volume to justify that. Or if a player asks to be self excluded from one product for whatever reason should not apply to all products and all sites etc.
Also maybe it sets the wrong precedent if someone asks to be excluded for a time out period of time then they get banned from all operators it would teach people not to ever use time out features and send that message which would be counter intuitive.
I do not have a gambling problem I do have a procrastination problem. When my exams are round the corner I will just have to try not to procrastinate I wont ask any sites to restrict me for my exam period as that would label me as a problem gambler and thus potentially ban me for life.
3. I generally think it just be based on deposits only not play on a site. single customer wallet has been mentioned by enough people it would solve a lot of issues and wouldn't cause as many problems.
I have been around gambling a long time and have seen some things regarding gambling responsibility that should never have happened and seen some stuff handled right.
for example I have seen numerous cases of people at a life casino game variant poke, black jack and roulette where someone said openly they had a gambling problem and wish theyd stop, why they said? maybe it was a cry for help maybe it was so other players would have sympathy for them maybe it was a joke? but a Casino or gambling company should be asking questions at this point. Not just ignoring it and letting the player continue. Also have seen people who are clearly utterly drunk to the point of been barely able to stay awake and the casino let them continue gambling this should not be allowed.
Ultimately though unless someone is really going crazy depositing/losing thousands in very short periods of time, the generic issue should be to ask people are they sure they want to do this several times and if they say yes let them continue.
You wont stop someone who has a gambling problem who does not accept they have a problem and or does not want to stop. people will go to the black market if you try to force them to quit against their will. By trying to intervene and speak to them you may get them to realize they have a problem then seek help.
I am worried about what the white paper will contain but I hope they dont do something silly.
"That is later then I would have thought and I know Essex Phil said white paper is a just a proposal but I expect this paper to be fully implemented and approved into law within weeks of been published at the latest based on all the pressure for this."
I'll have a max bet on the Overs please.
Which is due in December 2024.
Is probability not part of a statistics degree?
The closing date for submissions in relation to the forthcoming White Paper was 31st March. 2021.
Taken more than a year to formulate what Government is planning.
That is before trying to formulate the Bill, getting it past Committee stages, the Commons, the Lords, providing the framework for any Companies to operate (while remembering that the majority operate offshore).
That is a lot of "weeks".
The only way anything happens quickly is if something can be agreed with the Betting Companies in the meantime.
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/