In Response to Re: is it the place to learn : I've been playing Low Stakes Omaha Hi-Lo Cash for just an hour or two every night, after I've exited the Tourneys. I sit down with £20 each night, & in 5 sessions, I've made just under £200. It's not exactly going to impress Lolufold & Co, but it's incredibly satisfying, & relaxing. And there is no need to get impatient, as a bunch of players sit down, & we chat about all sorts of nonsense in the Chat-Box. Last night I entered three NLH Tourneys, & failed to cash in all three, so that was £44 down the shoot. I then sat in a 10p-20p Omaha Hi-Lo cash game, & aided, I confess, by a goodly dollop of run-good, the £20 was £85 inside an hour. I then lost £22 back, meaning I ended the session on £63, for a profit of £43. So I had 6 hours poker, & it cost me a quid. During those 6 hours, I imposed a good few bad beats, & took a few. So what, it happens. Poker really can be fun if you want it to, & it does not need to cost much. Posted by Tikay10
would you find it as fun if you ALWAYS had losing sessions tho TK? I would imagine that a losing session is a rare occurance for you. whemever you play online you always seem to cash in a tournie or 2 that covers your BIs for the others that you busted out from. plus you get more than occasional binks for decent sums....thats not even factoring your Luton 'going to see the great railways of the world' fund.....
but yeah i think a lot of people on here take poker far too seriously. we sometimes forget that to most people its a hobby where they don't mind losing Xamount per week....as opposed to going down the pub for a night they can ahve fun for 3/4 hours AND actually have a chance of banking a profit. one of my friends is totally hopeless. barely knows the rules. but he once won a donkie at Luton for like 300 quid and it made his month.
In Response to Re: is it the place to learn : would you find it as fun if you ALWAYS had losing sessions tho TK? I would imagine that a losing session is a rare occurance for you. whemever you play online you always seem to cash in a tournie or 2 that covers your BIs for the others that you busted out from. plus you get more than occasional binks for decent sums....thats not even factoring your Luton 'going to see the great railways of the world' fund..... but yeah i think a lot of people on here take poker far too seriously. we sometimes forget that to most people its a hobby where they don't mind losing Xamount per week....as opposed to going down the pub for a night they can ahve fun for 3/4 hours AND actually have a chance of banking a profit. one of my friends is totally hopeless. barely knows the rules. but he once won a donkie at Luton for like 300 quid and it made his month. Posted by scotty77
In Response to Re: is it the place to learn : I saw mickjenn1 give him the slowroll of the year the other day, that cant have helped his mood, but it cheered me up lol Posted by OMahonyO
No I just thought it was classless and a clear indication of the reasons why he is banned from here for life.
interesting thread this the play is "creative" down here in the nl4 trenches "unfortunately" for me, given my bankroll, this is where i have had to start learning to play just over a year ago. it has taken a while because - i didn't play that often in the early days;it was more recreational then before i took it more "seriously" but i have learnt and now have recovered all my earlier losses and reloads. so you can learn here but, like me, from scratch which you pod are obviously not. the aim is to move up once the bankroll permits to see how much i have learnt or how many "bad" habits i've got.
posting hands in the clinic, or just reading the posts, has been a good learning tool. people are always willing to advise even if you don't agree with it. as you say those moves that are respected at larger levels sometimes aren't at nl4 usually because people don't know them as such. alot of people are recreational players or just pure gamblers imo. they play how they want as they are entitled to do. it just gives you more wilder swings (as a % of bankroll for me) which you have to take on the chin and move on.
i know you didn't say so pod, but for others to say we are all bad down here is a bit insulting. it assumes we are here because this is the best we can do rather than that some are relatively new to the game and need to start somewhere and this is the cheapest way to learn basics or for other reasons.
In Response to Re: is it the place to learn : No I just thought it was classless and a clear indication of the reasons why he is banned from here for life. Posted by stien
LOL.. you are the most miserable, argumentative individual I have seen on this forum.
I've spoke to Mickjenn about that hand... and he said you abused him immensely in chat. You had a go at him because he cracked your Aces with King King, all in pre flop... you expect him to fold KK pre lol.... so ye gotta admit not great etiquette from you there.
In Response to Re: is it the place to learn : LOL.. you are the most miserable, argumentative individual I have seen on this forum. I've spoke to Mickjenn about that hand... and he said you abused him immensely in chat. You had a go at him because he cracked your Aces with King King, all in pre flop... you expect him to fold KK pre lol.... so ye gotta admit not great etiquette from you there. Posted by ChirpyChip
+1
The things you say to some of the lesser skilled players on the tables are disgusting and just totally childish tbh, you don't have a right to call anyone classless.
Pod your analogy with Mike Tyson v 5 drunken yobs is flawed. In the fight situation you are assuming the 5 drunken yobs will band together to take on Mike Tyson. In a poker game, barring collusion, it is each to their own and so as TK puts it... good beats bad. FWIW 4nl players are terrible in terms of the average person's thought process. But, that is where you get a lot of beginners and so it is not surprising. If you can't come up with a strategy to beat loose/passive, tight/passive players, then it is merely a flaw in your ability. So either you are not as good as you think you are or the 4nl players are better than you when playing you.
TIKAY1 FTW !!! i play low limits bcoz iv jus started playing for real money 7 month ago but iv been playin/learnin the game for 2 year before i even thought about investing i find there is a lot of very good players at these levels and to tar every1 at these levels withthe same brush smacks of arrogance imo
In Response to Re: is it the place to learn : Yeah, I know, I kind of envy your mindset tbh. I really struggle with finding not winning, fun, but like you say, spending £1 on 6 hrs of a hobby is good value, it just doesnt suit me. The ironic thing is, I can and do regularly play for 6 hours and am often down a lot more than £1, but I keep coming back for more Posted by OMahonyO
Why are you playing the game?
To earn a living? Or because you enjoy playing?
It has always confused me why some (possibly lots of) people only find poker enjoyable if they're winning a set amount of dollars per hour.
I'd concede that if the game cost me money overall, i.e. if there were never any wins, then I'd be somewhat disheartened, but if you don't enjoy the process of playing poker then it seems like an odd hobby to have.
As for the OP, the lowest levels will teach you patience and extracting maximum value, but generally speaking I'd say you make money from playing people worse than you - you learn by playing people better than you.
interesting thread this the play is "creative" down here in the nl4 trenches "unfortunately" for me, given my bankroll, this is where i have had to start learning to play just over a year ago. it has taken a while because - i didn't play that often in the early days;it was more recreational then before i took it more "seriously" but i have learnt and now have recovered all my earlier losses and reloads. so you can learn here but, like me, from scratch which you pod are obviously not. the aim is to move up once the bankroll permits to see how much i have learnt or how many "bad" habits i've got. posting hands in the clinic, or just reading the posts, has been a good learning tool. people are always willing to advise even if you don't agree with it. as you say those moves that are respected at larger levels sometimes aren't at nl4 usually because people don't know them as such. alot of people are recreational players or just pure gamblers imo. they play how they want as they are entitled to do. it just gives you more wilder swings (as a % of bankroll for me) which you have to take on the chin and move on. i know you didn't say so pod, but for others to say we are all bad down here is a bit insulting. it assumes we are here because this is the best we can do rather than that some are relatively new to the game and need to start somewhere and this is the cheapest way to learn basics or for other reasons. good luck at which ever level you decide to play Posted by walesboy
FWIW I see it like a computer game, you have to beat level 1 before you can play level 2 etc
Each level is different and it is a test of skill to see if you can adapt and learn to beat the different levels.
Those guys saying the beats are worse in lower levels should just adjust thier range and not get in as many marginal positions etc, hey presto, the beats dont occur so frequently.
Just because you cant 4 bet light and run a three barrel bluff at 4nl does not mean its rubbish, it means you have to play different.
If you cant adadpt your game to the situation is that not a flaw in your own game?
TIKAY1 FTW !!! i play low limits bcoz iv jus started playing for real money 7 month ago but iv been playin/learnin the game for 2 year before i even thought about investing i find there is a lot of very good players at these levels and to tar every1 at these levels withthe same brush smacks of arrogance imo Posted by JGIBBRFC
+1,i find it amusing that when a player calls a 16p raise at 2p/4p with 5 2s then flops a flush and takes down a "big" pot (£4) he is a poor player or so called donk...... yet if a player on 50p/£1 calls with52s and wins a big pot (£50) on the mastercash show he is a "genius" or "thinking outside the box"
In Response to Re: is it the place to learn : Short of complaining about how unfair it is that players can sit "away", I agree 100%, it really is THE strangest thing. I've spent more than 10 years listening to that tale & I've yet to figure out what on earth the logic is! I'm convinced that something called "GroupThink" (google is your friend) is the reason. Posted by Tikay10
Not offering my opinion here, but to offer a football analogy, who would u rather play against? Wayne Rooney? or a whole pub team?
Who do u think you would fare better against?
I think that is the point being made why its difficult to beat NL4
Some great Posts on here, most of which I strongly agree, or disagree, weith.
Apart from "BelovedLtd", (aka Razz specialist Mr Jon MW, who said "why play the game if it upsets you that much when you don't win), Walesy summed it up best for me. He said.....
".....i know you didn't say so pod, but for others to say we are all bad down here is a bit insulting....."
Which is nail, & head.
It's almost certainly an age-thing, but it sits so badly to me to see such bad manners, calling other players insulting names. And just because someone does not play poker so well, does not make them an idiot. I've player poker with many a genius, at least one of whom was Knighted for his genius, & they can't play poker too good, but that does not make them a donk.
I played Golf for a goodly while, too, & that was very much a "manners maketh man" game, & if you called a 28 handicapper an idiot, you'd be thrown out of the Club pdq. Quite right too.
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would you find it as fun if you ALWAYS had losing sessions tho TK? I would imagine that a losing session is a rare occurance for you. whemever you play online you always seem to cash in a tournie or 2 that covers your BIs for the others that you busted out from. plus you get more than occasional binks for decent sums....thats not even factoring your Luton 'going to see the great railways of the world' fund.....
but yeah i think a lot of people on here take poker far too seriously. we sometimes forget that to most people its a hobby where they don't mind losing Xamount per week....as opposed to going down the pub for a night they can ahve fun for 3/4 hours AND actually have a chance of banking a profit. one of my friends is totally hopeless. barely knows the rules. but he once won a donkie at Luton for like 300 quid and it made his month.
No I just thought it was classless and a clear indication of the reasons why he is banned from here for life.
the play is "creative" down here in the nl4 trenches
"unfortunately" for me, given my bankroll, this is where i have had to start learning to play just over a year ago.
it has taken a while because - i didn't play that often in the early days;it was more recreational then before i took it more "seriously" but i have learnt and now have recovered all my earlier losses and reloads.
so you can learn here but, like me, from scratch which you pod are obviously not.
the aim is to move up once the bankroll permits to see how much i have learnt or how many "bad" habits i've got.
posting hands in the clinic, or just reading the posts, has been a good learning tool. people are always willing to advise even if you don't agree with it. as you say those moves that are respected at larger levels sometimes aren't at nl4 usually because people don't know them as such. alot of people are recreational players or just pure gamblers imo. they play how they want as they are entitled to do. it just gives you more wilder swings (as a % of bankroll for me) which you have to take on the chin and move on.
i know you didn't say so pod, but for others to say we are all bad down here is a bit insulting. it assumes we are here because this is the best we can do rather than that some are relatively new to the game and need to start somewhere and this is the cheapest way to learn basics or for other reasons.
good luck at which ever level you decide to play
The things you say to some of the lesser skilled players on the tables are disgusting and just totally childish tbh, you don't have a right to call anyone classless.
FWIW 4nl players are terrible in terms of the average person's thought process. But, that is where you get a lot of beginners and so it is not surprising.
If you can't come up with a strategy to beat loose/passive, tight/passive players, then it is merely a flaw in your ability. So either you are not as good as you think you are or the 4nl players are better than you when playing you.
Each level is different and it is a test of skill to see if you can adapt and learn to beat the different levels.
Those guys saying the beats are worse in lower levels should just adjust thier range and not get in as many marginal positions etc, hey presto, the beats dont occur so frequently.
Just because you cant 4 bet light and run a three barrel bluff at 4nl does not mean its rubbish, it means you have to play different.
If you cant adadpt your game to the situation is that not a flaw in your own game?
yet if a player on 50p/£1 calls with52s and wins a big pot (£50) on the mastercash show he is a "genius" or "thinking outside the box"
poker snobbery ftw.......
Who do u think you would fare better against?
I think that is the point being made why its difficult to beat NL4
Some great Posts on here, most of which I strongly agree, or disagree, weith.
Apart from "BelovedLtd", (aka Razz specialist Mr Jon MW, who said "why play the game if it upsets you that much when you don't win), Walesy summed it up best for me. He said.....
".....i know you didn't say so pod, but for others to say we are all bad down here is a bit insulting....."
Which is nail, & head.
It's almost certainly an age-thing, but it sits so badly to me to see such bad manners, calling other players insulting names. And just because someone does not play poker so well, does not make them an idiot. I've player poker with many a genius, at least one of whom was Knighted for his genius, & they can't play poker too good, but that does not make them a donk.
I played Golf for a goodly while, too, & that was very much a "manners maketh man" game, & if you called a 28 handicapper an idiot, you'd be thrown out of the Club pdq. Quite right too.
Ugh ugh ugh.