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how do you play AA pre folp in mtt s

brinna12brinna12 Member Posts: 79
edited December 2021 in Strategy
as an a aggresive player i like to get all my chips in pre flop with  AA  but i find they get beaten so many times by ppl that hit  with dodgy hands  should i slow play them more. does this happen like this in live play

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  • craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,960
    edited May 2014
    the way you play AA preflop is just do 3xBB as open bet (min raise when chip stacks are getting short) if their is already a raise then just 3bet or raise by 2.5 IP (shove if you are in late stages with chip stacks now being 10-30BB deep)

    the big decisions with AA are postflop.
  • PuppetJackPuppetJack Member Posts: 196
    edited May 2014

    Raise pre to get rid of trash hands, then play post flop based on texture - remembering that it's still only one pair. I 'pretty much' ALWAYS raise pre because in a live MTT once I limped (to try &  be clever) & got called by a late position fish with 74 suited & she hit her 2 pair - subsequently knocking me out.

     

    And yes, Aces do get run out Live, just as frequently, you just see them less often due to hand volumes online.

     

    And remember that you WANT people to call with rubbish hands, when they do, you're doubling through a huge percentage of the time,  that's the dream scenario.

    Yeah it hurts when you get sucked out against, but it only seems worse because you remember those few times a lot more readily than the rest of the times when your aces hold.

     

    I made it to the final 10 of an MTT the other day ( Tuesday actually) I wsa chip leader from the first hand until the money. Here's the two hands that eliminated me, both involving Aces. I was bruised, but it just happens.

     

    HAND #1 - My Aces: - 

     

    Hand History #772688349 (16:19 30/04/2014)

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    extramanSmall blind 200.00200.0016595.00
    londmanBig blind 400.00600.0031667.50
     Your hole cards
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    MagicalmanFold    
    george1954Call 400.001000.0021321.25
    PuppetJackRaise 1600.002600.0031840.00
    https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/hhdealer.gif'); background-color: transparent; background-position: 100% 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="dealer">stuart43Fold    
    extramanFold    
    londmanCall 1200.003800.0030467.50
    george1954Call 1200.005000.0020121.25
    Flop
      
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    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif'); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="diamond">3
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif'); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="diamond">7
       
    londmanCheck    
    george1954Bet 5000.0010000.0015121.25
    PuppetJackAll-in 31840.0041840.000.00
    londmanFold    
    george1954All-in 15121.2556961.250.00
    PuppetJackUnmatched bet 11718.7545242.5011718.75
    george1954Show
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    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="club">K
       
    PuppetJackShow
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="spade">A
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif'); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="diamond">A
       
    Turn
      
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    River
      
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    george1954WinThree Kings45242.50 45242.50

     

    HAND#2 ( a few hands after)

     

     

    Hand History #772690729 (16:27 30/04/2014)

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    MagicalmanSmall blind 300.00300.0033701.25
    george1954Big blind 600.00900.0043642.50
     Your hole cards
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif'); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="diamond">K
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="club">K
       
    PuppetJackRaise 1800.002700.009068.75
    extramanRaise 3000.005700.0013295.00
    https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/hhdealer.gif'); background-color: transparent; background-position: 100% 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="dealer">londmanFold    
    MagicalmanFold    
    george1954Fold    
    PuppetJackAll-in 9068.7514768.750.00
    extramanCall 7868.7522637.505426.25
    PuppetJackShow
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    extramanShow
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    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="club">A
       
    Flop
      
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    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="heart">A
       
    Turn
      
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    River
      
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    extramanWinThree Aces22637.50 28063.75

     

     

    So Yeah. - I was first for almost the ENTIRE tournament. - I think I played well. then when we were down to the final 12 - theses catastrophes happen & I go from the top 4 to bust 10th.

     

    Oh well. 

     

     

  • PuppetJackPuppetJack Member Posts: 196
    edited May 2014
    Argh - this copy & paste business is too complex.

    In a nutshell - HAND 1 I raised pre with Aces,. - 1 caller. - flop was 3 Diamonds. - I had the Ace of D. - I shove he calls with Kings (with K of D) - hits a K on the river. - I lose 3/4 of my chips.

    A few hands later(HAND 2) I re-raise shove pre with Kings. called by Aces - they hold. I'm out.

    Not sweating it though, with the Aces I got my chips in good & with the Kings they're only going to be behind to my opps range a tiny fraction of the time. the times when I get unlucky are just that. - bad luck.
  • brinna12brinna12 Member Posts: 79
    edited May 2014
    In Response to Re: how do you play AA pre folp in mtt s:
    Argh - this copy & paste business is too complex. In a nutshell - HAND 1 I raised pre with Aces,. - 1 caller. - flop was 3 Diamonds. - I had the Ace of D. - I shove he calls with Kings (with K of D) - hits a K on the river. - I lose 3/4 of my chips. A few hands later( HAND 2 ) I re-raise shove pre with Kings. called by Aces - they hold. I'm out. Not sweating it though, with the Aces I got my chips in good & with the Kings they're only going to be behind to my opps range a tiny fraction of the time. the times when I get unlucky are just that. - bad luck.
    Posted by PuppetJack
        thaks for the input ppl i will take it in and  not let it bother me so much 
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited May 2014
    In Response to how do you play AA pre folp in mtt s:
    as an a aggresive player i like to get all my chips in pre flop with  AA  but i find they get beaten so many times by ppl that hit  with dodgy hands  should i slow play them more. does this happen like this in live play
    Posted by brinna12
    If you're getting all your chips in pre with AA, then you can't do anything else. If you get outdrawn, so be it. Slow playing will often only encourage the outdraw.
  • CraigSG1CraigSG1 Member Posts: 1,823
    edited May 2014
    How do you play them pre? EXACTLY the same as how you play every other hand! If you always min  bet then min bet, if you always 3x then 3x. Get me? 

    We should always be looking at the situations we get into POST flop as from then on the only time we have the nuts is if we flop top set with no draws. Which isnt often! 

    Mainly, the more opponents we have post flop then the more cautious we have to be. Add that to how the board will hit our opponents then we can go from there. 
  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited May 2014
    If you pick up AA in the first orbit of a low stakes Bounty Hunter (£5.75 or below, especially £2.30) at a table of unknowns simply going all-in pre-flop, regardless of position or previous action, isn't as ridiculous as it sounds. 

    There are so many crazy calls in these games you'll find a customer often enough to make it a surprisingly profitable play, probably more profitable than making a standard raise in my opinion. Everybody at the table will assume you're just another bingo maniac, calling ranges will be much wider than you might expect.
  • Matt237Matt237 Member Posts: 1,785
    edited May 2014
    In Response to Re: how do you play AA pre folp in mtt s:
    If you pick up AA in the first orbit of a low stakes Bounty Hunter (£5.75 or below, especially £2.30) at a table of unknowns simply going all-in pre-flop, regardless of position or previous action, isn't as ridiculous as it sounds.  There are so many crazy calls in these games you'll find a customer often enough to make it a surprisingly profitable play, probably more profitable than making a standard raise in my opinion. Everybody at the table will assume you're just another bingo maniac, calling ranges will be much wider than you might expect.
    Posted by GaryQQQ
    Echo this actually
  • GaryLaudGaryLaud Member Posts: 535
    edited May 2014
    Although I am somewhat of a rookie myself, having logged only 2 months on S.P. I a definately with Matt and GaryQQQ here because I think with the concept of a B/Hunter, if you Shove, you will be MORE likely getting a caller who are starting with marginal hands at best, because they are after your head-value! 

    I think this is why It makes these such an interesting and "tricky to judge" (IMO) concept to play.

    Genereally the people on here KNOW what they are doing and the advice given is usually very good/brilliant.
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