Sharkscope

Ironpump1 · May 2018

All players have to opt in now with a screenshot, is this a change at sky's end?

Tikay10 · May 2018

Ironpump1 said:
All players have to opt in now with a screenshot, is this a change at sky's end?

Not that I am aware of, & I'd be quite surprised if Sky Poker & Sharkscope have held any discussions around it. As such, the 2 organisations don't have a business relationship - Sky Poker don't actually encourage Sharkscope to publish player information as such, nor do they sell it or obtain any income from it - Sharky just take it, package it, & sell it.

The imminent GDPR affects how all businesses use personal data they hold, & is far-ranging & complex, but Sharkscope does not display any personal data as such, it uses aliases. So whether the change is GDPR-related I have no idea. Somehow, I doubt it.

The change applies, as far as I am aware, to ALL players on ALL sites.

Tikay10 · May 2018

For the record, @ironpump1 is referring to the new Sharky requirement that all users MUST Opt-In if they wish to have their stats publically viewable, & to Opt-In they request;

"Use the form below to enter your (insert name of Site) screen name and upload a screenshot of you logged into (insert name of Site) with your screen name visible".

Ironpump1 · May 2018

Tikay10 said:

Ironpump1 said:
All players have to opt in now with a screenshot, is this a change at sky's end?
Not that I am aware of, & I'd be quite surprised if Sky Poker & Sharkscope have held any discussions around it. As such, the 2 organisations don't have a business relationship - Sky Poker don't actually encourage Sharkscope to publish player information as such, nor do they sell it or obtain any income from it - Sharky just take it, package it, & sell it.

The imminent GDPR affects how all businesses use personal data they hold, & is far-ranging & complex, but Sharkscope does not display any personal data as such, it uses aliases. So whether the change is GDPR-related I have no idea. Somehow, I doubt it.

GDPR? is this to do with the upheaval of the data protection act, it takes effect from tomorrow I believe? would make sense I suppose.

Shame, I enjoyed being a nosey ****

Tikay10 · May 2018

Ironpump1 said:

Tikay10 said:

Ironpump1 said:
All players have to opt in now with a screenshot, is this a change at sky's end?
Not that I am aware of, & I'd be quite surprised if Sky Poker & Sharkscope have held any discussions around it. As such, the 2 organisations don't have a business relationship - Sky Poker don't actually encourage Sharkscope to publish player information as such, nor do they sell it or obtain any income from it - Sharky just take it, package it, & sell it.

The imminent GDPR affects how all businesses use personal data they hold, & is far-ranging & complex, but Sharkscope does not display any personal data as such, it uses aliases. So whether the change is GDPR-related I have no idea. Somehow, I doubt it.

GDPR? is this to do with the upheaval of the data protection act, it takes effect from tomorrow I believe? would make sense I suppose.

Shame, I enjoyed being a nosey ****

Yes.

Any business which holds & uses data on an individual must now seek "reconsent" as to how they use that Data, & in particular, by which means (if any) they are allowed to contact you. (Text, Voicecall, SMS, e-Mail, post).

Anyone with any online gaming account with any Company should by now have received a re-consent request by now. In fact, it's not just Online Gaming, it is right across the board.

Here's GDPR according to Wiki;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation

Ironpump1 · May 2018

Thanks @Tikay10

I guess thats a tenner a month saved.

Tikay10 · May 2018

Incidentally, Sky Poker made some changes recently as part of their overall plan to ensure they were GDPR-compliant, as per this thread started by @Sky_SamT -

https://community.skypoker.com/discussion/173580/desktop-download-client-log-in#latest

PKRPar · May 2018

They will lose loads of money I would suspect now that people have to opt in.

At least now people will have to find out how bad I am by playing a few hands with me first

weecheez1 · May 2018

In a roundabout way i think its good for poker and makes the ones that use sharky and the tracking software actually think about the game rather than just crunch the numbers and try and gain an edge

mumsie · May 2018

PKRPar said:
They will lose loads of money I would suspect now that people have to opt in.

At least now people will have to find out how bad I am by playing a few hands with me first

Yes, im an occasional subscriber, I had a look last night using my free searches and I couldn't see any stats on anyone. I should imagine a mass exodus will ensue. No reason to subscribe now.

Ironpump1 · May 2018

weecheez1 said:
In a roundabout way i think its good for poker and makes the ones that use sharky and the tracking software actually think about the game rather than just crunch the numbers and try and gain an edge

I agree with you partly on this, however its very useful to be able to see basic onto on a player quickly before having played hands against him/her.

If I search a player who has played 1k+ games and never been in the black I can assume he/she is making a lot of losing play's or playing to face up. I always initially tag based on scope then adjust my notes/tag when I have played a number of hands against them.

MattBates · May 2018

Assume this will be the same for pokersuperhero.

Tikay10 · May 2018

MattBates said:
Assume this will be the same for pokersuperhero.

If it's a legislative/regulatory/Compliance thing, which I fancy it is, then yes.

TheEdge949 · May 2018

Will this affect HUD tracking software at all. Think its no coincidence that 888 have just banned HUD from the start of this month.

Yours in Poker

Mark

bbMike · May 2018

MattBates said:
Assume this will be the same for pokersuperhero.

There is no 'personally identifiable information' in Poker Alias data so I'd be surprised if this was the end of all fracked info. I would expect it to have an impact on Hendon Mob where real names are used.

Tikay10 · May 2018

bbMike said:

MattBates said:
Assume this will be the same for pokersuperhero.
There is no 'personally identifiable information' in Poker Alias data so I'd be surprised if this was the end of all fracked info. I would expect it to have an impact on Hendon Mob where real names are used.

Surely that applies identically to Sharkscope, though?

At present, THM appears to be unchanged.

EvilPingu · May 2018

Tikay10 said:

MattBates said:
Assume this will be the same for pokersuperhero.
If it's a legislative/regulatory/Compliance thing, which I fancy it is, then yes.

@aussie09

See entire thread as this may affect you & your site.

Duesenberg · May 2018

I didn't realise pokersuperhero was still going?

Shame about the sharkscope thing. I was thoroughly enjoying being nosy.

bbMike · May 2018

Tikay10 said:

bbMike said:

MattBates said:
Assume this will be the same for pokersuperhero.
There is no 'personally identifiable information' in Poker Alias data so I'd be surprised if this was the end of all fracked info. I would expect it to have an impact on Hendon Mob where real names are used.
Surely that applies identically to Sharkscope, though?

At present, THM appears to be unchanged.

This is true, though Sharky did have real name data too. A lot of the time these regulation changes can be 'interpreted' differently and I suspect with the size of the fines they've talked about with the launch of GDPR then anyone who's not had the time to consider it fully could take the more cautious line. It could also be a coincidence that they've changed their opt in rules.

I would expect anonymised or pseudonymised data using aliases to be fine. There's also an argument to be had whether lobby info is in the public domain.

Tikay10 · May 2018

bbMike said:

Tikay10 said:

bbMike said:

MattBates said:
Assume this will be the same for pokersuperhero.
There is no 'personally identifiable information' in Poker Alias data so I'd be surprised if this was the end of all fracked info. I would expect it to have an impact on Hendon Mob where real names are used.
Surely that applies identically to Sharkscope, though?

At present, THM appears to be unchanged.

This is true, though Sharky did have real name data too. A lot of the time these regulation changes can be 'interpreted' differently and I suspect with the size of the fines they've talked about with the launch of GDPR then anyone who's not had the time to consider it fully could take the more cautious line. It could also be a coincidence that they've changed their opt in rules.

I would expect anonymised or pseudonymised data using aliases to be fine. There's also an argument to be had whether lobby info is in the public domain.

Excellent point (enboldened).

So different parties view it differently, instead of having a clear, unambiguous line. Much of the GC stuff is phrased vaguely, too.

Duesenberg · May 2018

TheEdge949 said:
Will this affect HUD tracking software at all. Think its no coincidence that 888 have just banned HUD from the start of this month.

Yours in Poker

Mark

Just as a bit of a correction here, the only place 888 have banned HUD's is on their US facing site. It's due to the merger of the New Jersey player pool with the Nevada one and it's because of existing regulations in Nevada to do with assistance tools in gambling. It's actually more for using tools in brick and mortar casinos but it was automatically applied to online poker when it became regulated there. There is no ban or one impending for HUD use on the international facing 888 site - the one us UK players would be on should you choose to play there.

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