Played some NL4 today for about 30 mins. made about 12p Posted by The_Don90
you think 12p is small well my total today has came to just a profit of 4p started off well this morning but then things turn round as the evening it was much harder to decided weather to call or not.
In Response to Re: 2p-4p challenge : you think 12p is small well my total today has came to just a profit of 4p started off well this morning but then things turn round as the evening it was much harder to decided weather to call or not. Posted by craigcu12
Haha dont worry, that 12p profit was my first winning session in a few sessions. I celebrated by buy a freddo, so im now in loss of 8p - sigh
ran pretty bad y'day so happy with small loss better tonight,played aggressive and raising whenever possible,still not perfect poker,but getting there...slowly. also playing 9 tables,feels comfortable,so will continue as long as the losses don't get to big. (* *) ^ dev
Up a bit from cash today, we had a nice hand earlier Dev, i for sure thought you had an Ace when you were betting out big on an Ace Ace board lol and you folded to my pot size bet:(
09 Apr '13 at 22:58 Poker Well Meadow £-1.49 £0.00 Internet Hand History 09 Apr '13 at 21:57 Poker Rockingham £2.58 £0.00 Internet Hand History 09 Apr '13 at 21:55 Poker Well Meadow £2.26 £0.00 Internet Hand History 09 Apr '13 at 21:55 Poker Horsham £2.70 £0.00 Internet Hand History 09 Apr '13 at 21:54 Poker Calais £5.98 Up a bit from cash today, we had a nice hand earlier Dev, i for sure thought you had an Ace when you were betting out big on an Ace Ace board lol and you folded to my pot size bet:( Good fold:D Posted by LARSON7
thanks mate, yes i remember the hand,i had ace as you say.(can't remember kicker,prob K) i thought you must have house,or if you were bluffing,well played. i've learnt that a bad fold is better than a bad call,and saves you money in the long run,at nl4 anyway. i've called so many times like in that situation,and more often than not i'm behind. dev
yeah,my thinking here was... alarm bells to start with...pot bet from nowhere i'm behind to a6 a2 a7 aj aq ak 66 22 77 that's a lot of hands. ***************************************************** i've invested £1.10 i'm now being asked to risk £2.60 to win £4.10 effective
i'm behind to 9 hands,(which of course i hadn't calculated at the time,but i knew it was quite a few.) i felt fold was best option and if my good friend was bluffing..well played to him. dev
I see you lost your note about preflop raising lol. You should either be flat calling (I don't really like this) or raising to like 20p+
Larson posted it in the clinic and I've given my thoughts. I don't think he should ever have most of the hands that beat you. He probably 3bets AJ+ so we can probably rule out them 3 hands. He probably doesn't call the flop with 22, or 2 streets with 77, so we can probably knock 2 more hands off the list.
That takes us down to only 4 hands he should have that beat us, and he does love a good bluff.
i've learnt that a bad fold is better than a bad call,and saves you money in the long run,at nl4 anyway.
Posted by devonfish5
I need to print this on a large sheet of paper and repeat 20 times like a Buddhist chant surrounded by joss sticks and tinkling bells, before I start a session.
So many times lately I get a straight or a flush the river pairs the board and I call the shove screaming "I know you're bluffing....................oh sh *t !
Dev it is a great fold, i posted it up in the Poker Clinic just to see what others thought. Most said they would call, i think i am calling in your position. And, going out on a limb, i think 99% of players at this level would have called/ went all in against my river bet.
I got lucky in this hand, i hut my full house on the river.
I see you lost your note about preflop raising lol. You should either be flat calling (I don't really like this) or raising to like 20p+ Larson posted it in the clinic and I've given my thoughts. I don't think he should ever have most of the hands that beat you. He probably 3bets AJ+ so we can probably rule out them 3 hands. He probably doesn't call the flop with 22, or 2 streets with 77, so we can probably knock 2 more hands off the list. That takes us down to only 4 hands he should have that beat us, and he does love a good bluff. Posted by Lambert180
hi Paul, that's what i mean about 'NOT PLAYING PERFECT POKER' mate. playing 9 tables,as i was just occasionally i would forget the new 'golden rule' of not raising 3x or more,but at least i did put in a 2x raise here. lol you say he SHOULDN'T have most of the hands that beat me ,but you have to remember this is nl4 not nl20 or nl30 which lets be honest is another world,as i'm sure you know. lol i've not yet looked at the hand in poker clinic so will be interested in what lasson had. lol think larson himself has said he could have checked the river ,which i think he should as suddenly going from ch ch to pot bet,smelt fishy to me. i'm a believer of keeping the same line on each street as any big change made,like hear is not optimal play. as it goes,had larson checked the river i would have probably checked as i would have been concerned as to what he was calling my previous bets with. i'm also aware that he could have been bluffing there,but as i'm sure he knows me and my game quite well he must have been a little concerned that i could have had the f/house,so i took that into consideration,very quickly,and gave him the benefit of the doubt. as i've also said,i'm only losing £1.10 effective here which was another factor. i've learnt it's better to back down from marginal situations all be it reluctantly...lose the battle and hopefully stay alive and win the war,ie,come out the session winning.
that's not to say i'd fold here every time to every player, that would be a weakness,but just occasionally as here,it felt right,so i did. dev
Maybe i should have checked or shoved on the river, if i shove you possibly call?? It looks so much like a bluff. Posted by LARSON7
hi mate, yes i think the shove would have looked more of a bluff than the pot bet,but against you i would have folded anyway. i would have just checked the river had you checked so it wouldn't have made any difference i'm afraid. lol
good play though by you i thought. i'm not 'tight old devonfish' for nothing lol
(* *) ^ dev ps; lets go to poker clinic and find out what you really had. lol
i've learnt that a bad fold is better than a bad call,and saves you money in the long run,at nl4 anyway. Posted by devonfish5
I need to print this on a large sheet of paper and repeat 20 times like a Buddhist chant surrounded by joss sticks and tinkling bells, before I start a session. So many times lately I get a straight or a flush the river pairs the board and I call the shove screaming "I know you're bluffing....................oh sh *t ! Posted by clubhammer[/QUOTE
i'ts taken me some time to learn that mate,but i've found it to be true.
In Response to Re: 2p-4p challenge : hi mate, yes i think the shove would have looked more of a bluff than the pot bet,but against you i would have folded anyway. i would have just checked the river had you checked so it wouldn't have made any difference i'm afraid. lol good play though by you i thought. i'm not 'tight old devonfish' for nothing lol (* *) ^ dev ps; lets go to poker clinic and find out what you really had. lol Posted by devonfish5
You should not fold, if oppo is limp/calling rag aces versus you then it's good for you long term You have oppo drawing to 3 outs most of the time
Also LARSON maybe c/r river is probably better or open shoving - and Dev don't ever check behind on river you lose so much value
In Response to Re: 2p-4p challenge : You should not fold, if oppo is limp/calling rag aces versus you then it's good for you long term You have oppo drawing to 3 outs most of the time Also LARSON maybe c/r river is probably better or open shoving - and Dev don't ever check behind on river you lose so much value Posted by rancid
hi Rancid, i agree with what you are saying mate,and most of the time i would call here. but on this occasion against this player something inside was telling me to fold. maybe it was partly due to the line larson took ch ch pot bet,i don't know,but it smelt fishy to me anyway,so i folded. so many times here in the past and with other hands similar to this i would have made the call,only to see myself beaten. at nl4 most times here most players in this spot will have you beat..not all. i have notes on dozens of players and that also determines my decisions on all important plays.
i'm really trying to crack this cash game this year,and yes i'm making plenty of mistakes. (why do you think i've dropped back to nl4 from nl10. lol) looking back at this hand,i can see mistakes by me,... should i even be playing A 10 in this spot should i have raised bigger p/flop etc, etc.
i am trying though,and am trying to take on board everones comments,and very much appreciate them.
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started off well this morning but then things turn round as the evening it was much harder to decided weather to call or not.
lost £2.25 9 tables
tuesday
won £7.28 9 tables (down £12.02 this month)
ran pretty bad y'day so happy with small loss
better tonight,played aggressive and raising whenever possible,still not perfect poker,but getting there...slowly.
also playing 9 tables,feels comfortable,so will continue as long as the losses don't get to big.
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dev
Good fold:D
yes i remember the hand,i had ace as you say.(can't remember kicker,prob K)
i thought you must have house,or if you were bluffing,well played.
i've learnt that a bad fold is better than a bad call,and saves you money in the long run,at nl4 anyway.
i've called so many times like in that situation,and more often than not i'm behind.
dev
Folding AK on AAx, that's respect Larson
alarm bells to start with...pot bet from nowhere
i'm behind to a6 a2 a7 aj aq ak 66 22 77 that's a lot of hands.
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i've invested £1.10
i'm now being asked to risk £2.60 to win £4.10 effective
i'm behind to 9 hands,(which of course i hadn't calculated at the time,but i knew it was quite a few.)
i felt fold was best option and if my good friend was bluffing..well played to him.
dev
Larson posted it in the clinic and I've given my thoughts. I don't think he should ever have most of the hands that beat you. He probably 3bets AJ+ so we can probably rule out them 3 hands. He probably doesn't call the flop with 22, or 2 streets with 77, so we can probably knock 2 more hands off the list.
That takes us down to only 4 hands he should have that beat us, and he does love a good bluff.
Posted by devonfish5
I need to print this on a large sheet of paper and repeat 20 times like a Buddhist chant surrounded by joss sticks and tinkling bells, before I start a session.
So many times lately I get a straight or a flush the river pairs the board and I call the shove screaming "I know you're bluffing....................oh sh *t !
I got lucky in this hand, i hut my full house on the river.
Brilliant fold!
Maybe i should have checked or shoved on the river, if i shove you possibly call?? It looks so much like a bluff.
that's what i mean about 'NOT PLAYING PERFECT POKER' mate.
playing 9 tables,as i was just occasionally i would forget the new 'golden rule' of not raising 3x or more,but at least i did put in a 2x raise here. lol
you say he SHOULDN'T have most of the hands that beat me ,but you have to remember this is nl4 not nl20 or nl30 which lets be honest is another world,as i'm sure you know. lol
i've not yet looked at the hand in poker clinic so will be interested in what lasson had. lol think larson himself has said he could have checked the river ,which i think he should as suddenly going from ch ch to pot bet,smelt fishy to me.
i'm a believer of keeping the same line on each street as any big change made,like hear is not optimal play.
as it goes,had larson checked the river i would have probably checked as i would have been concerned as to what he was calling my previous bets with.
i'm also aware that he could have been bluffing there,but as i'm sure he knows me and my game quite well
he must have been a little concerned that i could have had the f/house,so i took that into consideration,very quickly,and gave him the benefit of the doubt.
as i've also said,i'm only losing £1.10 effective here which was another factor.
i've learnt it's better to back down from marginal situations all be it reluctantly...lose the battle and hopefully stay alive and win the war,ie,come out the session winning.
that's not to say i'd fold here every time to every player, that would be a weakness,but just occasionally as here,it felt right,so i did.
dev
yes i think the shove would have looked more of a bluff than the pot bet,but against you i would have folded anyway.
i would have just checked the river had you checked so it wouldn't have made any difference i'm afraid. lol
good play though by you i thought. i'm not 'tight old devonfish' for nothing lol
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dev
ps; lets go to poker clinic and find out what you really had. lol
plenty of practise at losing...
that helps!! lol
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dev
Posted by clubhammer[/QUOTE
i'ts taken me some time to learn that mate,but i've found it to be true.
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dev
You should not fold, if oppo is limp/calling rag aces versus you then it's good for you long term
You have oppo drawing to 3 outs most of the time
Also LARSON maybe c/r river is probably better or open shoving - and Dev don't ever check behind on river you lose so much value
i agree with what you are saying mate,and most of the time i would call here.
but on this occasion against this player something inside was telling me to fold.
maybe it was partly due to the line larson took ch ch pot bet,i don't know,but it smelt fishy to me anyway,so i folded.
so many times here in the past and with other hands similar to this i would have made the call,only to see myself beaten.
at nl4 most times here most players in this spot will have you beat..not all.
i have notes on dozens of players and that also determines my decisions on all important plays.
i'm really trying to crack this cash game this year,and yes i'm making plenty of mistakes.
(why do you think i've dropped back to nl4 from nl10. lol)
looking back at this hand,i can see mistakes by me,...
should i even be playing A 10 in this spot
should i have raised bigger p/flop
etc, etc.
i am trying though,and am trying to take on board everones comments,and very much appreciate them.
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dev