I see you lost your note about preflop raising lol. You should either be flat calling (I don't really like this) or raising to like 20p+ Larson posted it in the clinic and I've given my thoughts. I don't think he should ever have most of the hands that beat you. He probably 3bets AJ+ so we can probably rule out them 3 hands. He probably doesn't call the flop with 22, or 2 streets with 77, so we can probably knock 2 more hands off the list. That takes us down to only 4 hands he should have that beat us, and he does love a good bluff. Posted by Lambert180
hi Paul just remembered why i only 2x raise here... with larson calling 4p before me i think i've raised 2x as opposed to 3x, which i have been doing when 1st into pot,as this serves the same purpose,ie;builds pot by 3x.
In Response to Re: 2p-4p challenge: [QUOTE]Dev it is a great fold, i posted it up in the Poker Clinic just to see what others thought. Most said they would call, i think i am calling in your position. And, going out on a limb, i think 99% of players at this level would have called/ went all in against my river bet. I got lucky in this hand, i hut my full house on the river. Brilliant fold! readie21 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £3.38 clifordred Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £3.09 Your hole cards 7 A Empathic Fold Zealsey Fold LARSON7 Call £0.04 £0.10 £6.66 devonfish5 Raise £0.08 £0.18 £7.02 readie21 Call £0.06 £0.24 £3.32 clifordred Call £0.04 £0.28 £3.05 LARSON7 Call £0.04 £0.32 £6.62 Flop A 6 A readie21 Check clifordred Check LARSON7 Check devonfish5 Bet £0.24 £0.56 £6.78 readie21 Call £0.24 £0.80 £3.08 clifordred Fold LARSON7 Call £0.24 £1.04 £6.38 Turn 2 readie21 Check LARSON7 Check devonfish5 Bet £0.78 £1.82 £6.00 readie21 Fold LARSON7 Call £0.78 £2.60 £5.60 River 7 LARSON7 Bet £2.60 £5.20 £3.00 devonfish5 Fold LARSON7 Muck LARSON7 Win £2.40 £5.40 LARSON7 Return £2.60 Posted by LARSON7
thanks mate,only just found this by going back through posts again. yeah,i did think it strange you going all-in from nowhere,and i'm glad i found the fold button now. lol it's all swings and roundabouts this game and i'm sure over time it all evens out. lol well played anyway...you lucky ** *** ** (so and so ) lol
If your reads are that oppo has flopped outdrawn to a house then wp - good fold.
Only problem now is people with a brain will start to pot rivers and u fold everything bar nuts )
Seriously my main point was, that if you could play this hand another 1000 times - you should ) And if you do call, oppo is only winning a small majority.
hi dev If your reads are that oppo has flopped outdrawn to a house then wp - good fold. Only problem now is people with a brain will start to pot rivers and u fold everything bar nuts ) Seriously my main point was, that if you could play this hand another 1000 times - you should ) And if you do call, oppo is only winning a small majority. Posted by rancid
hi mate, i didn't have it down to one particular hand but i did think i had been outdrawn and was behind. i would make this call against most players especially once i have seen them make bluffs. i know larson here could have been bluffing but i didn't think he was this time. i don't only make a call here with the nuts and fold everything else. (i sometimes call with 2nd nuts...lol) it is all player and situation dependant,and yes,sometimes 'gut instinct' this occasion i got it right,many times i've got it wrong. agree if this hand was played out 1000 times,a call would be the optimal play. thanks dev ps; had that thought on my mind all last night. and thinking about it this could now work in my favour,as like you said,people with a brain could now use this to their advantage,ie; thinking i'm going to fold to every river pot bets,etc.(unless i've nuts or 2nd) so knowing that opponents are going to be trying to get me to fold here,and therefore doing this when they are holding light, i can now make those calls and happy days. lol (is this where the meta-games begin? lol)
sorry this hand and following posts have temporarily taken over this thread... but i think it has been an interesting talking point and hopefully of interest to many of you. i'm sure it'll soon get back 'to normal' thanks dev
I've been playing on Sky Poker for a year or so but have just found the forum and this thread with so many familiar names posting I thought I'd say hi. Hope that's OK, I realise its not on topic.
@Devonfish - I played dyms for a while and was doing really well, then fortunes suddenly changed and there was a massive losing run and I lost nearly all my accumulated profits. The format was driving me mad, too many crazy all-ins when the blinds got high and too many bad beats. I tended to try and avoid tables you were playing as I reasoned my winning odds were reduced to 2/5 at the start - I've seen on sharkscope how well you've done at those . Still a mystery to me how you can play so many tables at once and win consistently.
@ Clubhammer and Tintin - I played the 2p/4p tables for about 5 months I think and made about £100 profit over that time. You two and Bokata seem to be permamently there. I was generally playing 3 tables at a time (which I know for you guys is child's play) but I found it difficult to concentrate properly and made too many mistakes. About 4 weeks ago I moved to higher stakes (5p/10p and 10p/20p) and just play one table at a time and really concentrate on what the other players are doing - this has been much more profitable for me and I think more satisfying. I think at this level the players respect the raises more, they are tighter and the standard of play is better. I've made nearly as much in 4 weeks at this level as I made in 5 months at the lower level. Anyway, respect to you both, amazing profits Tintin playing at this level, you must be scaring all Sky's new punters away
I've been playing on Sky Poker for a year or so but have just found the forum and this thread with so many familiar names posting I thought I'd say hi. Hope that's OK, I realise its not on topic. @Devonfish - I played dyms for a while and was doing really well, then fortunes suddenly changed and there was a massive losing run and I lost nearly all my accumulated profits. The format was driving me mad, too many crazy all-ins when the blinds got high and too many bad beats. I tended to try and avoid tables you were playing as I reasoned my winning odds were reduced to 2/5 at the start - I've seen on sharkscope how well you've done at those . Still a mystery to me how you can play so many tables at once and win consistently. @ Clubhammer and Tintin - I played the 2p/4p tables for about 5 months I think and made about £100 profit over that time. You two and Bokata seem to be permamently there. I was generally playing 3 tables at a time (which I know for you guys is child's play) but I found it difficult to concentrate properly and made too many mistakes. About 4 weeks ago I moved to higher stakes (5p/10p and 10p/20p) and just play one table at a time and really concentrate on what the other players are doing - this has been much more profitable for me and I think more satisfying. I think at this level the players respect the raises more, they are tighter and the standard of play is better. I've made nearly as much in 4 weeks at this level as I made in 5 months at the lower level. Anyway, respect to you both, amazing profits Tintin playing at this level, you must be scaring all Sky's new punters away No doubt play a few hands aginast you soon. Cheers L Posted by lonesome
hi lonesome, well done on winning at cash mate,that's an achievent by anyones standards. it's not about how many tables you can play,it's all about finding the best way for you to win,and playing 1 table at the higher levels is working,so no need to change it. yes with dym's you can go on bad runs even when you might not even be playing that bad,i know i have.that's where playing 15-18+ tables really helps though,as this will help to keep those runs far and few between,well hopefully anyway. lol i found out very quickly that by playing as many tables as possible was the best way for me to win at dym's,so i just added more and more tables,sometimes day by day or week by week. it's really not that difficult and gets easier with practise.i did make alot of mistakes to begin with though. lol (when the new re-sizable tables finally arrive lol, i am going to attempt to play 40 dym tables,just for the **** of it. i'll play them just for a month starting at 18/20 tables and adding 1 extra table each day.should be fun. lol) good luck with your cash exploits, dev
i havent updated much in the last few days, mainly because i had a few days away from the cash tables. i did get a little in on sunday and lost a little normally then a few buyins in a forum game where the rules just go out the window. monday i stuck to tourneys for a change, no joy in any of them, tues and wed i got back to cash and broke even over the 2 days but thats a result considering how badly i was playing.
today has put me back on stride. it ranks as one of my best days. im up a little over +£64 for the day, tonights session was pretty brutal at times, i started off dropping 5 buyins before getting things going with a swing of 13 buyins to finish the session +8 bins.
16 bins in a day isnt my best but its not far off it. i cant post a running total atm as i lost count over the last few days with tourney buyins and a few bets but will try to work it out tomorrow
Hey Dev, I'm doing a DYM Challenge lol 50p. 1pound and so on, Thats just just won the 50p and 1£ 1s lol £2 tomorrow haha they go in so slow but haha How can you play so many tables at these? lol it takes half an hour for 1 game to load up! Posted by LARSON7
hi mate, there is a dym thread somewhere,where you start off at 50p and try and keep doubling up. i know it's been done by yvette9 and possibly others,not sure off hand what the last level was/is,as i've never been anywhere near it myself. lol (not that i've ever tried that challenge either,as i know i'd bottle out and take the money around the £22 level. lol) when u say 1/2 an hour to load up,do you mean 1/2 an hour a game to play,(from start to finish,which sounds about right,sometimes less). it should only take a few seconds for 1 game to load up. then you just keep going to the lobby and carry up loading more. i found buying a second monitor a great help for multi-tabling as it means i can have lobby open on the second screen and play 9/12 tables at a push on the other one.(i'm sure others that multi-table 9+ tables have a similar set-up.) gl buddy, dev
i havent updated much in the last few days, mainly because i had a few days away from the cash tables. i did get a little in on sunday and lost a little normally then a few buyins in a forum game where the rules just go out the window. monday i stuck to tourneys for a change, no joy in any of them, tues and wed i got back to cash and broke even over the 2 days but thats a result considering how badly i was playing. today has put me back on stride. it ranks as one of my best days. im up a little over +£64 for the day, tonights session was pretty brutal at times, i started off dropping 5 buyins before getting things going with a swing of 13 buyins to finish the session +8 bins. 16 bins in a day isnt my best but its not far off it. i cant post a running total atm as i lost count over the last few days with tourney buyins and a few bets but will try to work it out tomorrow Posted by TINTIN
you're a machine tintin.very well played;+£64 for the day happy days.
I've been playing on Sky Poker for a year or so but have just found the forum and this thread with so many familiar names posting I thought I'd say hi. Hope that's OK, I realise its not on topic. @Devonfish - I played dyms for a while and was doing really well, then fortunes suddenly changed and there was a massive losing run and I lost nearly all my accumulated profits. The format was driving me mad, too many crazy all-ins when the blinds got high and too many bad beats. I tended to try and avoid tables you were playing as I reasoned my winning odds were reduced to 2/5 at the start - I've seen on sharkscope how well you've done at those . Still a mystery to me how you can play so many tables at once and win consistently. @ Clubhammer and Tintin - I played the 2p/4p tables for about 5 months I think and made about £100 profit over that time. You two and Bokata seem to be permamently there. I was generally playing 3 tables at a time (which I know for you guys is child's play) but I found it difficult to concentrate properly and made too many mistakes. About 4 weeks ago I moved to higher stakes (5p/10p and 10p/20p) and just play one table at a time and really concentrate on what the other players are doing - this has been much more profitable for me and I think more satisfying. I think at this level the players respect the raises more, they are tighter and the standard of play is better. I've made nearly as much in 4 weeks at this level as I made in 5 months at the lower level. Anyway, respect to you both, amazing profits Tintin playing at this level, you must be scaring all Sky's new punters away No doubt play a few hands aginast you soon. Cheers L Posted by lonesome
welcome to the forum lonesome. what took you so long to find it?
theres a few of us that populate the forum thats name you will recognise from the tables but far many more who dont post or even know its here.
its good to hear things are going well for you atm long may it continue. i'll get to those levels one day and might see you there. i dont know about scaring all the punters away lol theres always waiting lists:)
played last night for first time in couple of weeks. very swingy as usual. down 2 BIs then up a couple then ended up down a couple again! not sure what i could have done with straight v straight, someone flopping a set then full house. flops showing the over cards you don't want. never mind, it happens. showing a small loss for the month now. still not firing on all cylinders. got to put alot more time in. still very rusty. hopefully this weekend when the play gets more interesting! )
its been a rubbish day so far, been down a fair bit but mounted a bit of a recovery but not as bad in the minus figures as i was.
one bright light on the day (not money wise) was hitting a royal, its been a few months since i hit one myself but i paid off someone with one this morning, 2 in 1 day ive been involved in. i dont get excited by them now like i did the first few times but its always nice to see them none the less, i think this is number 24 in my poker history.
managed to grind out a £20 win on the day and i mean grind, had a prolonged flat spot this evening where i was just standing still for about 2 hours, was only winning very small pots and losing very small pots. the rest of the night it was trading blows so to speak. i was winning a buyin then losing a buyin within minutes. but i got there in the end.
im gonna show this hand as it summed up a lot of the day, cooler central im afraid. worst bit was stand was already hit before the cards were dealt.
another losing 8 hr+ session. happy with how i played,so no worries.lost £8 £6 £6 hands when well ahead b4 river,so i know how different session would have been with a little run good. another day today... off to the wacko races. lol gl all dev
Hey, yesterday when i played 2p 4p I lost £-0.02p haha
At 1 table i was playing like a maniac setting an image i called an all in with Ace 3, against Ace King, and opponent, whose a friend, was like "stop tilting" cause i was calling everything. But i was setting an image:D
Actually ended up being a couple of quid down at that table and made a couple of quid at the other table i was playing. I also played a bit of 8nl and 10nl yesterday and showed a really nice profit from this.
I'm still going to play 2p-4p but also play some of the higher levels 2.
In Response to Re: 2p-4p challenge : hi lonesome, well done on winning at cash mate,that's an achievent by anyones standards. it's not about how many tables you can play,it's all about finding the best way for you to win,and playing 1 table at the higher levels is working,so no need to change it. yes with dym's you can go on bad runs even when you might not even be playing that bad,i know i have.that's where playing 15-18+ tables really helps though,as this will help to keep those runs far and few between,well hopefully anyway. lol i found out very quickly that by playing as many tables as possible was the best way for me to win at dym's,so i just added more and more tables,sometimes day by day or week by week. it's really not that difficult and gets easier with practise.i did make alot of mistakes to begin with though. lol (when the new re-sizable tables finally arrive lol, i am going to attempt to play 40 dym tables,just for the **** of it. i'll play them just for a month starting at 18/20 tables and adding 1 extra table each day.should be fun. lol) good luck with your cash exploits, dev Posted by devonfish5
Cheers Dev. Look forward to seeing a screenshot of 40 tables lol. Can't imagine it is humanly possible to play that number. Do you have the sound turned off when your multitabling, and do you have all the tables on the screen, or do you minimise the ones that you're not in the hand?
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just remembered why i only 2x raise here...
with larson calling 4p before me i think i've raised 2x as opposed to 3x, which i have been doing when 1st into pot,as this serves the same purpose,ie;builds pot by 3x.
[QUOTE]Dev it is a great fold, i posted it up in the Poker Clinic just to see what others thought. Most said they would call, i think i am calling in your position. And, going out on a limb, i think 99% of players at this level would have called/ went all in against my river bet. I got lucky in this hand, i hut my full house on the river. Brilliant fold! readie21 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £3.38 clifordred Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £3.09 Your hole cards 7 A Empathic Fold Zealsey Fold LARSON7 Call £0.04 £0.10 £6.66 devonfish5 Raise £0.08 £0.18 £7.02 readie21 Call £0.06 £0.24 £3.32 clifordred Call £0.04 £0.28 £3.05 LARSON7 Call £0.04 £0.32 £6.62 Flop A 6 A readie21 Check clifordred Check LARSON7 Check devonfish5 Bet £0.24 £0.56 £6.78 readie21 Call £0.24 £0.80 £3.08 clifordred Fold LARSON7 Call £0.24 £1.04 £6.38 Turn 2 readie21 Check LARSON7 Check devonfish5 Bet £0.78 £1.82 £6.00 readie21 Fold LARSON7 Call £0.78 £2.60 £5.60 River 7 LARSON7 Bet £2.60 £5.20 £3.00 devonfish5 Fold LARSON7 Muck LARSON7 Win £2.40 £5.40 LARSON7 Return £2.60
Posted by LARSON7
thanks mate,only just found this by going back through posts again.
yeah,i did think it strange you going all-in from nowhere,and i'm glad i found the fold button now. lol
it's all swings and roundabouts this game and i'm sure over time it all evens out. lol
well played anyway...you lucky ** *** ** (so and so ) lol
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If your reads are that oppo has flopped outdrawn to a house then wp - good fold.
Only problem now is people with a brain will start to pot rivers and u fold everything bar nuts )
Seriously my main point was, that if you could play this hand another 1000 times - you should ) And if you do call, oppo is only winning a small majority.
i didn't have it down to one particular hand but i did think i had been outdrawn and was behind.
i would make this call against most players especially once i have seen them make bluffs.
i know larson here could have been bluffing but i didn't think he was this time.
i don't only make a call here with the nuts and fold everything else.
(i sometimes call with 2nd nuts...lol)
it is all player and situation dependant,and yes,sometimes 'gut instinct'
this occasion i got it right,many times i've got it wrong.
agree if this hand was played out 1000 times,a call would be the optimal play.
thanks
dev
ps;
had that thought on my mind all last night.
and thinking about it this could now work in my favour,as like you said,people with a brain could now use this to their advantage,ie; thinking i'm going to fold to every river pot bets,etc.(unless i've nuts or 2nd)
so knowing that opponents are going to be trying to get me to fold here,and therefore doing this when they are holding light, i can now make those calls and happy days. lol
(is this where the meta-games begin? lol)
but i think it has been an interesting talking point and hopefully of interest to many of you.
i'm sure it'll soon get back 'to normal'
thanks dev
@Devonfish - I played dyms for a while and was doing really well, then fortunes suddenly changed and there was a massive losing run and I lost nearly all my accumulated profits. The format was driving me mad, too many crazy all-ins when the blinds got high and too many bad beats. I tended to try and avoid tables you were playing as I reasoned my winning odds were reduced to 2/5 at the start - I've seen on sharkscope how well you've done at those
@ Clubhammer and Tintin - I played the 2p/4p tables for about 5 months I think and made about £100 profit over that time. You two and Bokata seem to be permamently there. I was generally playing 3 tables at a time (which I know for you guys is child's play) but I found it difficult to concentrate properly and made too many mistakes. About 4 weeks ago I moved to higher stakes (5p/10p and 10p/20p) and just play one table at a time and really concentrate on what the other players are doing - this has been much more profitable for me and I think more satisfying. I think at this level the players respect the raises more, they are tighter and the standard of play is better. I've made nearly as much in 4 weeks at this level as I made in 5 months at the lower level. Anyway, respect to you both, amazing profits Tintin playing at this level, you must be scaring all Sky's new punters away
No doubt play a few hands aginast you soon.
Cheers
L
well done on winning at cash mate,that's an achievent by anyones standards.
it's not about how many tables you can play,it's all about finding the best way for you to win,and playing 1 table at the higher levels is working,so no need to change it.
yes with dym's you can go on bad runs even when you might not even be playing that bad,i know i have.that's where playing 15-18+ tables really helps though,as this will help to keep those runs far and few between,well hopefully anyway. lol
i found out very quickly that by playing as many tables as possible was the best way for me to win at dym's,so i just added more and more tables,sometimes day by day or week by week.
it's really not that difficult and gets easier with practise.i did make alot of mistakes to begin with though. lol
(when the new re-sizable tables finally arrive lol, i am going to attempt to play 40 dym tables,just for the **** of it. i'll play them just for a month starting at 18/20 tables and adding 1 extra table each day.should be fun. lol)
good luck with your cash exploits,
dev
I'm doing a DYM Challenge lol 50p. 1pound and so on,
Thats just just won the 50p and 1£ 1s lol £2 tomorrow haha they go in so slow but haha
How can you play so many tables at these? lol it takes half an hour for 1 game to load up!
today has put me back on stride. it ranks as one of my best days. im up a little over +£64 for the day, tonights session was pretty brutal at times, i started off dropping 5 buyins before getting things going with a swing of 13 buyins to finish the session +8 bins.
16 bins in a day isnt my best but its not far off it. i cant post a running total atm as i lost count over the last few days with tourney buyins and a few bets but will try to work it out tomorrow
there is a dym thread somewhere,where you start off at 50p and try and keep doubling up.
i know it's been done by yvette9 and possibly others,not sure off hand what the last level was/is,as i've never been anywhere near it myself. lol
(not that i've ever tried that challenge either,as i know i'd bottle out and take the money around the £22 level. lol)
when u say 1/2 an hour to load up,do you mean 1/2 an hour a game to play,(from start to finish,which sounds about right,sometimes less).
it should only take a few seconds for 1 game to load up.
then you just keep going to the lobby and carry up loading more.
i found buying a second monitor a great help for multi-tabling as it means i can have lobby open on the second screen and play 9/12 tables at a push on the other one.(i'm sure others that multi-table 9+ tables have a similar set-up.)
gl buddy,
dev
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the poker gods giveth then taketh away again lol
theres a few of us that populate the forum thats name you will recognise from the tables but far many more who dont post or even know its here.
its good to hear things are going well for you atm long may it continue. i'll get to those levels one day and might see you there. i dont know about scaring all the punters away lol theres always waiting lists:)
good luck
never mind, it happens. showing a small loss for the month now.
still not firing on all cylinders. got to put alot more time in. still very rusty.
hopefully this weekend when the play gets more interesting!
good luck guys
one bright light on the day (not money wise) was hitting a royal, its been a few months since i hit one myself but i paid off someone with one this morning, 2 in 1 day ive been involved in. i dont get excited by them now like i did the first few times but its always nice to see them none the less, i think this is number 24 in my poker history.
im gonna show this hand as it summed up a lot of the day, cooler central im afraid. worst bit was stand was already hit before the cards were dealt.
lost £12.12 9 tables
down £24.26 this month
another losing 8 hr+ session.
happy with how i played,so no worries.lost £8 £6 £6 hands when well ahead b4 river,so i know how different session would have been with a little run good.
another day today...
off to the wacko races. lol
gl all
dev
At 1 table i was playing like a maniac setting an image i called an all in with Ace 3, against Ace King, and opponent, whose a friend, was like "stop tilting" cause i was calling everything. But i was setting an image:D
Actually ended up being a couple of quid down at that table and made a couple of quid at the other table i was playing. I also played a bit of 8nl and 10nl yesterday and showed a really nice profit from this.
I'm still going to play 2p-4p but also play some of the higher levels 2.
down £16.81 this month
better session,would have been better had my AA held up against AK (trip K'S...lovely)
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