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Life In The Middle Lane

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  • yoyoyoyo Member Posts: 642
    edited November 2013
    i meant to play the main event yesterday but have had two pretty late nights/long days since i've been in blackpool so i had a day off yesterday; i squeezed into the 300 final with 12bbs but was first out when i shoved K10 from early position - in hindsight i think that was too light from that position & wish i'd let the blinds go through me once more.

    the numbers have been really good & i reckon the main event will smash the guarantee...will report back later on how it pans out.
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,487
    edited November 2013
    Good Luck JT
  • Sky_DaveSky_Dave Member Posts: 3,288
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Life In The Middle Lane:
    i meant to play the main event yesterday but have had two pretty late nights/long days since i've been in blackpool so i had a day off yesterday; i squeezed into the 300 final with 12bbs but was first out when i shoved K10 from early position - in hindsight i think that was too light from that position & wish i'd let the blinds go through me once more. the numbers have been really good & i reckon the main event will smash the guarantee...will report back later on how it pans out.
    Posted by yoyo
    #rubdown.
  • yoyoyoyo Member Posts: 642
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Life In The Middle Lane:
    In Response to Re: Life In The Middle Lane : #rubdown.
    Posted by Sky_Dave

    always pays to be results orientated my son!

  • TPTP123TPTP123 Member Posts: 492
    edited November 2013
    Life is pretty results orientated!!

    Quick question on live play JT, do you think too many internet kids stack off too light live? when in the 8bb-12bb range?  Iwas discussing this the other day with someone about how some good post flop live only players (at small stake mtts...) seem to hold on for dear life when short and seem to be playing just to bubble instead of to win... 

    Sorry for the random question just fell in line with your last update 
  • yoyoyoyo Member Posts: 642
    edited November 2013
    hey tptp,

    good question.

    the 8-12bb range offers very little flexibility & we should almost be shoving any 2 if it's folded to us in late position - unless the blinds are savvy players who recognise how light they should call us.

    so, it kinda depends on who's seated to your left - & how much you value your tournie life.

    certainly, online on sky poker with no antes it's possible to go as low as say 5bbs & still have a reasonable shot at a comeback, whereas with antes in play i probably wouldn't be too comfortable going below the 7-8bb mark.

    multi-tabling online pros prob won't allow themselves to go so low as they're playing with a far greater sample-size & they probably won't value their tournie life as much as you might with all the time, effort & ex's you've invested in say, a 3 day live event.

    personnally speaking, these days, i'm prepared to try & hang on to a short stack longer than i would have a few years back.


  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Life In The Middle Lane:
    hey tptp, good question. the 8-12bb range offers very little flexibility & we should almost be shoving any 2 if it's folded to us in late position - unless the blinds are savvy players who recognise how light they should call us. so, it kinda depends on who's seated to your left - & how much you value your tournie life. certainly, online on sky poker with no antes it's possible to go as low as say 5bbs & still have a reasonable shot at a comeback, whereas with antes in play i probably wouldn't be too comfortable going below the 7-8bb mark. multi-tabling online pros prob won't allow themselves to go so low as they're playing with a far greater sample-size & they probably won't value their tournie life as much as you might with all the time, effort & ex's you've invested in say, a 3 day live event. personnally speaking, these days, i'm prepared to try & hang on to a short stack longer than i would have a few years back.
    Posted by yoyo
    I've invested in a few of them ;)

    That last comment is interesting Julian. Is that just your experience taking over, or have you just generally become more patient as the years go by?
  • yoyoyoyo Member Posts: 642
    edited November 2013
    hah,

    & yes, as no doubt tikay can testify to, with age comes patience ;o)
  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Life In The Middle Lane:
    Life is pretty results orientated!! Quick question on live play JT, do you think too many internet kids stack off too light live? when in the 8bb-12bb range?  Iwas discussing this the other day with someone about how some good post flop live only players (at small stake mtts...) seem to hold on for dear life when short and seem to be playing just to bubble instead of to win...  Sorry for the random question just fell in line with your last update 
    Posted by TPTP123
    my take on this is:

    many live players do not understand shoving ranges, and will run down their stack really low waiting for the "right" hand
    many online players playing live start to panic when they get low in chips and shove suboptimally

    the trick is to marry the two. ie look for the shoving spots as you go below 20BB, but  don't panic. if no suitable spots turn up just keep going round until one does, or you reach an atc shove spot which is well below 10BB.
  • yoyoyoyo Member Posts: 642
    edited November 2013
    well said geldy!
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited November 2013
    Hi Julian 

    I was wondering how you think your game has changed during your career?
    Obviously poker itself has changed in how it's played quite dramatically.
    Do you think you were kind of ahead of the game back then with your thinking and that helped you? I remember when I first started at Gala roughly 10 years ago people would think you were a maniac if you raised preflop with mid-pairs, Ace 10 etc.
    I remember I had a friend, Dave Wojcik, who was successful there and he only played live. he would never accept that anything other than limping pairs 10's and below was the right way to play.

    Everyone talks now about how the game is so much harder now, do you agree?
    Also, can you foresee a time when things will almost go full circle and 3x pre will become the standard again or limping will be back in fashion?

    Sorry, way too many questions!
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