Nice post The Dart. I agree with everything you said more or less. I think If Sky Joe looks at this, Please listen to all the regulars saying the same thing. Time to take notice and do something.
the BHs may well remain the most popular, but sky needs to maintain a balanced portfolio if it wants strength in depth. otherwise as the bingo players mature into true mtt warriors they may end up leaving. also promos such as the dtd mc is hardly targetted at BH players, and sky needs to have a serious proposition available otherwise why bother?
In regards to the Monte Carlo point you made Mr Darty, I can't see a last chance saloon being a good idea and getting a lot of traffic because it requires 3 days away from home/family and to book a Friday off work for the majority. I think it was planned in such a way that they didn't get a winner who then couldn't get the time off work.
For me personally I don't mind the BH's... I've been playing DYMs this month after taking a break from the cash grind. I play the odd BH as well and as everyone keeps saying the BH fields are weak, so what's not to like? I agree there needs to be an increase in freezeouts, however back when Sky did the promo where you can get a tourney of your choice put into the lobby I had a regular £11 freezeout made, 10 minute blinds all standard stuff which we keep saying Sky is lacking. A lot of people said it would go down well and was just what we needed. By the time the tournament started we had 7 runners! Yes 7! After late reg I think it got to 24 and missed it's (imo) very small guarentee of £300. If that was a BH I would expect it to have got a minimum of 60 - 70 runners.
Good quote from Gary earlier, there may be a very vocal minority, but there is very much a silent majority. These are the people Sky try to please, they are the recreational players, come and go for a bit of fun, maybe deposit everytime they come on. They don't use the forum as they are not on every day, but if BH's started to disapear the majority would suddenly become very vocal.
Bring back the double stack, i have seen this in a thread before, it's a tournament i would defo play and i'm sure others would be happy to see this back.
All very interesting points and I'm glad we are staying on track with regards to the subject on hand.
I hope you all think that 'Battle of the Mains' is a good idea and that it might help to really highlight which tournaments are favoured most by the most important people of all....YOU the customers.
Keep the suggestions coming and be assured that we are taking notes and listening to each and every one of them....
I don`t play many mtts but when I did I liked the double stack on a wed night but I also enjoy the £11 rebuy when you buy a rebuy str8 away its like a £22 double stack really, also like the primo and super roller I do try sat into them but when I play them they are good fun.
Too many bounty hunters deffo need a lot more medium (say £10 and £20) buyin mtts instead with decent structures and decent stacks 4k chips 10 min blinds
Too many bounty hunters deffo need a lot more medium (say £10 and £20) buyin mtts instead with decent structures and decent stacks 4k chips 10 min blinds Posted by gixxerk4
This would also be my preferred route. There doesn't seem to be much middle ground. We have plenty of very low stake tourneys and then there seems to be quite a jump. The problem for me is the small prizepool in the low buy ins doesn't really convince me to commit a couple of hours or so to it. Then with the bigger buy ins, i would rather go and play live.
£10/£20 rebuys would create a decent prizepool and i would certainly play these regulary. They were pretty much all i played on a couple of other sites before i started on sky. I very rarely play any tournies on sky.
Agree with gixxer on structures as well. Urghh 2000 starting chips. Maybe 4000 is too much but increase of any kind in starting stack would appeal more to me.
Having said all that, Sky know what works for them and as Gary and Flashflush indicated there doesn't appear to be much demand for anything other than the bounty hunters.
Too many bounty hunters deffo need a lot more medium (say £10 and £20) buyin mtts instead with decent structures and decent stacks 4k chips 10 min blinds Posted by gixxerk4
Rebuy straight away in the £11 rebuys and you will have 4000 chips and 12 min blinds.
I don't like all the mains but the ones I don't like tend to be popular and so are unlikley to be replaced as a result of the battle thing but heads up to Sky for trying something different. The one tournament that bugs me at the monent is the 9 o'clock rebuy on a Thursday. a0 cos it runs too late for a work night and b) it is the same as the friday 9 o'clock and c) this is where the ROLLER used to be and should return imo.
I don't like all the mains but the ones I don't like tend to be popular and so are unlikley to be replaced as a result of the battle thing but heads up to Sky for trying something different. The one tournament that bugs me at the monent is the 9 o'clock rebuy on a Thursday. a0 cos it runs too late for a work night and b) it is the same as the friday 9 o'clock and c) this is where the ROLLER used to be and should return imo. Posted by SoLack
I have to agree with almost all of the points here. I started off on sky and enjoyed seeing the MTT schedule progress for the first year or so, but the last year has seen the schedule become less variable, with less options and essentially less interesting.
And so I find myself playing mroe on another site now, I will always play on sky, some one the "Main Events" are quite honestly just too boring for me to put the time in to play.
Now, I like the calls for better structures however I like so many others here it seems prefer some faster structured mtts. So for example I think the addition of turbo Tueday is fantastic, and its reflected in the numbers the MTT gets (although admittedly it is £11 not £55 for example).
The problem for sky for me is the fact that there are other sites which provide bigger and better tournaments and they cant compete. I like a long structured mtt, but not at 9pm that lasts until 2 in the morning where unless you make the last 3 you make 3-5x your money. So I find myself playing one on another site for the same sort of value that offers antes, better software and a 20x bigger GTEE.
I like alot of the suggestions on here. Theres no point in introducing 110£ mtts, they wont make a worthwhile guarantee for sure as much as I and various other would like it. For now I think sky need to consolidate and work with what they have and improve this before trying to out think other sites with inventive ideas that dont work or last. The 11-33 BI mtts are seriously lacking (Apart from BH's). I dont mind bounty hunters myself, theyre ridic value so whats not to love? But I play only freezeouts and some rebuys on the other big site and prefer these.
So, for me id like to see some 11-33 (even 44!) BI Mtts, preferably freezeouts. Not just good structures, put in some 11 pound turbo freezouts, maybe the odd 22. And vary the times! Your losing so many customers every night who cant stay up until the finish time of the 9pm events so dont bother playing them! Why not run them along side the main? It gives the grinders 2 bigger ones to play and intrduce a nightly turbo at 9pm. 11 to 33 pound, put a 2k min gtee on it and im sure it would be highly sucessful! Alternitively start the main and mini at 8 (or 7.30) and have a bigger 8.30 event and a 9pm turbo. Instead of flooding the lobby with small Bhs, Scarys, Turbos, Speed (which is confusing!!!). Try and focus the schedule and make it far simpler and be a little shrewd!
There are some good 5 pound Bh mtts that hit nice GTees and I cant fault this. But maybe once a week introduce a freezeout, stick a good Gtee on it and put it at a sensible time so people dont have to sleep before the end. For example, introducing the megastack was a good idea, but the poor structure means your playing way to long for the money available! So I dont even bother, id rather play a BH and make it more interesting (though I understand why people enjoy this). Slowly introducing freezeouts will make them more popular, especially if you take some of the 3047598739857 Bh's out of the lobby. Have loads more to say but have to go so may post osme more fleshed out ideas/comments later as this was rushed!
good playable structures, would make a good main or side
Why can't Sky keep the fast MTT's in the scheudle which run alongside the live TV show, which should attract numbers and still run a sideline MTT at the sametime with a more slower structure.
The numbers would suggest Sky client base love playing 8pm BH's, turbo's and rebuys.
Would they not also sign up to another MTT starting at the sametime.
The MTT scheudle is so staggered through the evening, If people are coming online to play 8pm main then why not put on a varied scheudle at that time so they play more.
yeah +1 about the 9pm rebuys. Ship them back an hour or two and it should see an increase in numbers. Won it the other week and it finished at 3am, and it takes 4 hours to min cash and that's crayfish
Imo I think Sky should move the main back to 7pm and mini 7:15, never really understood why it starts at 8! 8 is soooooooo late
It does actually highlight how we try to cater for people with different views and how you can't please everyone.
Some good examples of the things mentioned on this (and other) threads...
- Some people like slow structures, some people like faster - Some like bounty hunters, others do not - Some want higher buy-ins, some want lower - You get the point!...
Anyway, we try to cater for all people as much as we can. However one thing we do not do is to try and offer everything all the time. If we had every possible type of game available the lobby would be massively cluttered and we would spread the fields out and it would be near impossible to get good guarantees on them. We're sure most people wouldn't want that.
We are going to take some time to review your feedback and will come back to communicate any changes that come out of this review.
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I think If Sky Joe looks at this, Please listen to all the regulars saying the same thing. Time to take notice and do something.
I hope you all think that 'Battle of the Mains' is a good idea and that it might help to really highlight which tournaments are favoured most by the most important people of all....YOU the customers.
Keep the suggestions coming and be assured that we are taking notes and listening to each and every one of them....
Thanks
Jonathan
There doesn't seem to be much middle ground. We have plenty of very low stake tourneys and then there seems to be quite a jump.
The problem for me is the small prizepool in the low buy ins doesn't really convince me to commit a couple of hours or so to it. Then with the bigger buy ins, i would rather go and play live.
£10/£20 rebuys would create a decent prizepool and i would certainly play these regulary. They were pretty much all i played on a couple of other sites before i started on sky. I very rarely play any tournies on sky.
Agree with gixxer on structures as well. Urghh 2000 starting chips. Maybe 4000 is too much but increase of any kind in starting stack would appeal more to me.
Having said all that, Sky know what works for them and as Gary and Flashflush indicated there doesn't appear to be much demand for anything other than the bounty hunters.
Rebuy straight away in the £11 rebuys and you will have 4000 chips and 12 min blinds.
Ger
£3,000 Gtd Rebuy £11's
bring this forward to 7:30-8:00
more of these MTT's with £22 & £33 aswell
good playable structures, would make a good main or side
Why can't Sky keep the fast MTT's in the scheudle which run alongside the live TV show, which should attract numbers and still run a sideline MTT at the sametime with a more slower structure.
The numbers would suggest Sky client base love playing 8pm BH's, turbo's and rebuys.
Would they not also sign up to another MTT starting at the sametime.
The MTT scheudle is so staggered through the evening, If people are coming online to play 8pm main then why not put on a varied scheudle at that time so they play more.
We just want to make sure this thread stays on the topic in hand.
Thanks
Sky Poker
Thanks again for the posts on this thread.
It does actually highlight how we try to cater for people with different views and how you can't please everyone.
Some good examples of the things mentioned on this (and other) threads...
- Some people like slow structures, some people like faster
- Some like bounty hunters, others do not
- Some want higher buy-ins, some want lower
- You get the point!...
Anyway, we try to cater for all people as much as we can. However one thing we do not do is to try and offer everything all the time. If we had every possible type of game available the lobby would be massively cluttered and we would spread the fields out and it would be near impossible to get good guarantees on them. We're sure most people wouldn't want that.
We are going to take some time to review your feedback and will come back to communicate any changes that come out of this review.
Thanks
Sky Poker