I can't help but think that this could have been posted after the show was over, rather than while Yiannis was on the air. It seems very likely that he will have seen this which couldn't have been helpful.
I'm going to come down with those suggesting a little time is needed. I remember when Anna started, a couple of years ago, she wasn't entirely comfortable in the studio. In time she relaxed into it and now is excellent on the show (though I'd prefer if nobody told her I said so). I wasn't around at the dawn of time when Richard started but he, James and Sarah have all been doing this for a long time. I wonder how their first few shows would look to us now.
Richard, James, Anna and Sarah are the people we're used to and we've just got to give Jules and Yiannis a bit of time to settle in. I won't be offering my own opinions on them just yet.
However, I will say that the praise being offered to Orford on this thread is really creepy.
That's not what we do here, people! Of course he's good but we don't need to tell him that.
I don't know if this stems from my dislike of change but in my opinion the two newest presenters just don't seem to cut it, they seem very out of their depth and it seems they just throw in random jargon they have overheard which is continually used in the wrong context, they both look like nice people and are very professional but as for their poker know-how or there ability to entertain there leaves a lot to be desired, i can't help but wonder if they were given the jobs based on racial equality as opposed to their suitability.. maybe it is just me. Would love to know what other people opinions are. Posted by jordz16
This isnt a very nice thread tbh, and I am surprised that some sky regs havent jumped on this thread rather than supported it, especially the quote about racial equality, wtf!
For the record, LML was a fantastic presenter, worked very well with all the analysts had a great personality/sense of humour AND is half thai/half english. I was gutted when she left.
We all have our favourites, and tbh its a difficult job to present something you dont have much knowledge about. But, its no harm to learn and try and display how you're understanding of the game is evolving.
I don't know if this stems from my dislike of change but in my opinion the two newest presenters just don't seem to cut it, they seem very out of their depth and it seems they just throw in random jargon they have overheard which is continually used in the wrong context, they both look like nice people and are very professional but as for their poker know-how or there ability to entertain there leaves a lot to be desired, i can't help but wonder if they were given the jobs based on racial equality as opposed to their suitability.. maybe it is just me. Would love to know what other people opinions are. Posted by jordz16
I think the kindest, & most non-controversial way I can reply to that is to describe it as "a most regrettable comment". You cannot seriously mean that?
Jules & Yiannis both had to screen-test for their role. There were two seperate days of screen-tests, & there were 6 or 7 different Presenters "auditioning" on each of those 2 days. I was, as always, the "stooge analyst" for both days.
The standard on both days was incredibly high.
What probably swung things in favour of both of them is they they had both prepped very hard, done their homework, knew the site & site Promotions well, both presented themselves extremely well & showed great enthusiasm.
There is an increasing confusion when criticising others. Because we don't LIKE someone (perfectly reasonable) does not mean they are not good at their job. This is similar to, say, the "too many Bounty Hunters" argument. Not everyone enjoys Bounty Hunters, which is fair enough, but liking or disliking them does not make them bad or good.
The timing of this thread was also, in my personal opinion, quite dreadful & most inappropriate.
Quite what Yiannis must have thought whilst sat in that Studio for 5 hours doing the Show last night defies imagination. It may have been better if it had been started AFTER the Show finished. Even if Yiannis is not your cup of tea, he is a human being, doing his job, just as you are.
Im glad to see opinions are split over this as surely that is what you want from a discussion, thats all it is, opinions, Im fairly sure everyone who plays poker has had to take criticism, live or online you are still going to get someone call you a donk or say you are **** at poker etc but that is something you deal with. The sole reason I bought sky was for sky poker tv as i thought it was such a brilliant program, I still believe it's a brilliant program but now there has been a few time where I have had to switch off due to pure irritation I believed it was the correct time to see if others shared my opinion, and as for racial equality, I have been surrounded by the TV business on and off for the past 10 years and that is something that is of primary concern to lots of companies, and in my opinion it is something that's very important as there should be no bias towards age, gender, race etc,
Was I a fan of the show last night? No, but come on it was the guys first gig.......this was talked about between a couple of us last night, but away from the forum.
It is bad form to slate the presenter on the forum, where no doubt he could/would have seen DURING his first live show........give a guy a break. I remember Anna's first show and I had similar thoughts about her presenting on the show, didn't like her......now I don't don't know what I was thinking and Sky wouldn't be the same without her. Same goes from Ryan, I thought he appeared nervous.....look at him now, he's a natural and prob the best analyst on the show.
Was I a fan of the show last night? No, but come on it was the guys first gig.......this was talked about between a couple of us last night, but away from the forum. It is bad form to slate the presenter on the forum, where no doubt he could/would have seen DURING his first live show........give a guy a break. I remember Anna's first show and I had similar thoughts about her presenting on the show, didn't like her......now I don't don't know what I was thinking and Sky wouldn't be the same without her. Same goes from Ryan, I thought he appeared nervous.....look at him now, he's a natural and prob the best analyst on the show. Posted by waller02
Timing, Sir.
We are all humans beings, with emotions.
It might have been better to have waited until the Show finished, perhaps, as you knew Yiannis would be reading the Forum. People can be incredibly hurtful on forums.
The "racial equality" comment was quite bizarre. Nobody at Ch 861 has ever debated or even discussed the ethnic origin of any of those who appear on Ch 861.
The debate/discussion is totally fine. The 861 Talent are fair game I suppose, though God help us if we responded in kind.
Was I a fan of the show last night? No, but come on it was the guys first gig.......this was talked about between a couple of us last night, but away from the forum. It is bad form to slate the presenter on the forum, where no doubt he could/would have seen DURING his first live show........give a guy a break. I remember Anna's first show and I had similar thoughts about her presenting on the show, didn't like her......now I don't don't know what I was thinking and Sky wouldn't be the same without her. Same goes from Ryan, I thought he appeared nervous.....look at him now, he's a natural and prob the best analyst on the show. Posted by waller02
Exactly that. What a cruel place Forums can be.
A grace period of 24 hours would have been considerate before starting the thread.
luckily, apart from those on the tables, solly & offshoot for example, no-one else saw this
meanwhile the two new presenters may not be running hot yet, but to hold together a 5hr long show as a newbie is a tough gig
in tablechat last night i think the comment that hit the nail on the head was "boring"
my summary on Yiannis as a presenter would be:
knows and promotes the site well, is clear and articulate
has enough poker knowledge to interact well with the analyst on the topic
but let the analyst do the majority of the poker analysis - who is interested in his poker opinion, at this stage at least?
his challenge should be to find a way to add some zing into the presentation. topics totally open. who would have expected cement and motorway service stations to be appropriate discussion material for example? Anna adds zing beautifully, in more ways than one. His challenge is to find his zing. He needs to know that - but not during the show.
"racial equality".....is a poor 'reason' and comment to make, Steve and puts you in a poor light in some people's eyes, i'm sure though i don't think you realised this when you put it, to be fair.
As for the new presenters can we just give them a little more time to settle in and find their feet before making such negative opinions. Give them a chance to find a style that suits them and enables them to gel with their audience. We all look to improve but it takes time. Please give them a chance...
To clarify; last night was Yiannis' third show, not his first.
I'd just suggest that perhaps it would be a good idea to get a guest in on Yiannis' next show. It might take a little of the pressure off and not leave him feeling that he needs to contribute to the more technical points. Obviously I don't know about the logistics of getting someone in but how hard can it be? If none of the "known" pros are available, I'm sure TommyD will be happy to turn up (he's not shy). There may also be other not shy people out there.
One final suggestion would be that both Jules and Yiannis would probably benefit from being the subject of 'Analyse My Play'. Watching them donk off a few quid and laugh at themselves a bit might help people warm to them.
I can think of one really good reason why a largely male audience might have more patience with Jules than Yiannis, though. I think we can all understand that.
Don't see anything wrong with this discussion tbh. In that kind of work your going to be criticised aswell as praised, you have to take both equally, its just part of the job. If this thread was praising the work of the new presenters i'm pretty sure nothing would be made of it? It's no different.
Agree completely with Tikay on the 'racial eqaulity' statement which was simply ridiculous!!!!
HI IDCU "racial equality".....is a poor 'reason' and comment to make, Steve and puts you in a poor light in some people's eyes, i'm sure though i don't think you realised this when you put it, to be fair. As for the new presenters can we just give them a little more time to settle in and find their feet before making such negative opinions. Give them a chance to find a style that suits them and enables them to gel with their audience. We all look to improve but it takes time. Please give them a chance... Posted by profman15
I must correct you there proffy - IDCU has not commented on the thread. Almost uniquely.......
I do agree, however, that the comment was not intended to be offensive - it was, if I may say so, more "clumsy" than vindictive I think.
HI IDCU "racial equality".....is a poor 'reason' and comment to make, Steve and puts you in a poor light in some people's eyes, i'm sure though i don't think you realised this when you put it, to be fair. Posted by profman15
Profman, IDONKCALLU is going to be on your case.
The OP was jordz16, though you can be forgiven for the mistake since they use the same picture thingy.
Don't see anything wrong with this discussion tbh. In that kind of work your going to be criticised aswell as praised, you have to take both equally, its just part of the job. If this thread was praising the work of the new presenters i'm pretty sure nothing would be made of it? It's no different. Agree completely with Tikay on the 'racial eqaulity' statement which was simply ridiculous!!!! Posted by Curt360x27
The discussion is fine & dandy. I just think it was rather insensitive to Post it whilst the chap was actually doing the Show. Can't have helped his confidence much!
The "racial equality" comment blew me away, to be honest. No idea where that came from.
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I'm going to come down with those suggesting a little time is needed. I remember when Anna started, a couple of years ago, she wasn't entirely comfortable in the studio. In time she relaxed into it and now is excellent on the show (though I'd prefer if nobody told her I said so). I wasn't around at the dawn of time when Richard started but he, James and Sarah have all been doing this for a long time. I wonder how their first few shows would look to us now.
Richard, James, Anna and Sarah are the people we're used to and we've just got to give Jules and Yiannis a bit of time to settle in. I won't be offering my own opinions on them just yet.
However, I will say that the praise being offered to Orford on this thread is really creepy.
That's not what we do here, people!
Of course he's good but we don't need to tell him that.
Jules & Yiannis both had to screen-test for their role. There were two seperate days of screen-tests, & there were 6 or 7 different Presenters "auditioning" on each of those 2 days. I was, as always, the "stooge analyst" for both days.
The standard on both days was incredibly high.
What probably swung things in favour of both of them is they they had both prepped very hard, done their homework, knew the site & site Promotions well, both presented themselves extremely well & showed great enthusiasm.
There is an increasing confusion when criticising others. Because we don't LIKE someone (perfectly reasonable) does not mean they are not good at their job. This is similar to, say, the "too many Bounty Hunters" argument. Not everyone enjoys Bounty Hunters, which is fair enough, but liking or disliking them does not make them bad or good.
The timing of this thread was also, in my personal opinion, quite dreadful & most inappropriate.
Quite what Yiannis must have thought whilst sat in that Studio for 5 hours doing the Show last night defies imagination. It may have been better if it had been started AFTER the Show finished. Even if Yiannis is not your cup of tea, he is a human being, doing his job, just as you are.
Very true - 5 hours of Live TV, with only a 5 minute break every hour, & with a fairly narrow remit, is incredibly hard.
How many different ways of analysing A-K v Q-Q are there? Especially when the Show has been running for over 6 years.
The Presenters are key to the Show, & they have a really tough gig.
Criticism of any of the Channel 861 Presenters & Analysts is fine, but time & place & all that.
All presentors do a great job, even though we all have our own personal favourities this does not mean they are doing a bad job.
Prefer clevage over content but that's just me )
It is bad form to slate the presenter on the forum, where no doubt he could/would have seen DURING his first live show........give a guy a break. I remember Anna's first show and I had similar thoughts about her presenting on the show, didn't like her......now I don't don't know what I was thinking and Sky wouldn't be the same without her. Same goes from Ryan, I thought he appeared nervous.....look at him now, he's a natural and prob the best analyst on the show.
We are all humans beings, with emotions.
It might have been better to have waited until the Show finished, perhaps, as you knew Yiannis would be reading the Forum. People can be incredibly hurtful on forums.
The "racial equality" comment was quite bizarre. Nobody at Ch 861 has ever debated or even discussed the ethnic origin of any of those who appear on Ch 861.
The debate/discussion is totally fine. The 861 Talent are fair game I suppose, though God help us if we responded in kind.
The timing, not so much.......
A grace period of 24 hours would have been considerate before starting the thread.
"racial equality".....is a poor 'reason' and comment to make, Steve and puts you in a poor light in some people's eyes, i'm sure though i don't think you realised this when you put it, to be fair.
As for the new presenters can we just give them a little more time to settle in and find their feet before making such negative opinions. Give them a chance to find a style that suits them and enables them to gel with their audience. We all look to improve but it takes time. Please give them a chance...
Concrete, Geldy, not cement. CONCRETE.
In case you had forgotten, here is a photograph of some CONCRETE.
And this is cement.
I'd just suggest that perhaps it would be a good idea to get a guest in on Yiannis' next show. It might take a little of the pressure off and not leave him feeling that he needs to contribute to the more technical points. Obviously I don't know about the logistics of getting someone in but how hard can it be? If none of the "known" pros are available, I'm sure TommyD will be happy to turn up (he's not shy). There may also be other not shy people out there.
One final suggestion would be that both Jules and Yiannis would probably benefit from being the subject of 'Analyse My Play'. Watching them donk off a few quid and laugh at themselves a bit might help people warm to them.
I can think of one really good reason why a largely male audience might have more patience with Jules than Yiannis, though. I think we can all understand that.
I do agree, however, that the comment was not intended to be offensive - it was, if I may say so, more "clumsy" than vindictive I think.
The OP was jordz16, though you can be forgiven for the mistake since they use the same picture thingy.
Tikay beat me to the punch this time.
The "racial equality" comment blew me away, to be honest. No idea where that came from.