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In Response to Re: Opinions on the 2 newest sky poker presenters?? : Profman, IDONKCALLU is going to be on your case. The OP was jordz16, though you can be forgiven for the mistake since they use the same picture thingy. Tikay beat me to the punch this time. Posted by BorinLoner
Hi Borin
TY for the heads up m8. IDCU ...sincere apologies but i did think it was unlike you, Steve. Arsenal supporters are such fair-minded fans. (LOL) Sorry jordz but the comment is and was aimed at you instead. Its funny after seeing so many IDCU comments with that icon i think he should just be given it by SKY!!!!!! I should have realised it wasn't you IDCU as, with your well known dyslexia which you down play in good heart, im not sure what it may have said! Sorry again Steve.
Personally i thought the guy last night (will not attempt to spell his name) did a really good job.
Plus, very nice to see him learning as he is presenting and talking about hands, and asking questions people will want answers too. If all players tried to learn as much as this guy, and spent less time moaning and crying over beats, poker would be a much tougher game IMO
Personally i thought the guy last night (will not attempt to spell his name) did a really good job. Plus, very nice to see him learning as he is presenting and talking about hands, and asking questions people will want answers too. If all players tried to learn as much as this guy, and spent less time moaning and crying over beats, poker would be a much tougher game IMO Posted by 1267
Yeah he done alright..
Anyone new is going to get so much stick because everyone is used to the same old faces telling the same old jokes/puns/private banter jokes etc...
Airing you distain for any presentor is just bad form imo, what do you hope to get out of it ?
Do you want them sacked ?
Reminds me of some horrible boys own companies I have worked for, if your face don't fit - your out.
witch hunt anyone ?
Just to give this thread a bit of balance, I find all the presentors at times equally boring......
All the presenters and analysts have good and bad points about them and bring something different to the table. It'd be a pretty boring show if everyone presented in the same manner.
Can't be easy being a presenter and having to do 5 hours with an analyst that you'd only met for the first time on that day. Most of the other presenters have been around ages now and have prob worked with all of the analysts a few times.
I commented last night. I felt then and still feel one comment and discussion has since got out of hand.
I dont personally like Yannis presenting style. Thats not to say that Yannis cannot change my mind on that. I would love to suggest things for him to improve.
I think borinloner put up a point try and take some pressure off with a guest.
Tommy would be a good example as one mentioned i think. Maybe even someone like Matt Bates who crushes us daily. might also give someone a chance to win .
Im all for giving him some time and i hope he can fix the issues i personally dislike.
I didn't see last nights show. Was busy with other stuff. IMHO we are very lucky to have Orford, Fowler and Champion as regular presenters as they make a very hard job look easy. There are lots of us out there who could do an ok job as the analyst on the show and end it looking semi competent, however, put us in the presenters seat and you would have instant car crash tv. Give him a few shows to get used to it
I commented last night. I felt then and still feel one comment and discussion has since got out of hand. I dont personally like Yannis presenting style. Thats not to say that Yannis cannot change my mind on that. I would love to suggest things for him to improve. I think borinloner put up a point try and take some pressure off with a guest. Tommy would be a good example as one mentioned i think. Maybe even someone like Matt Bates who crushes us daily. might also give someone a chance to win . Im all for giving him some time and i hope he can fix the issues i personally dislike. Posted by The_Don90
I don't watch the channel very often, but i think it would be great to have a segment once a week with a guest/reg from the forum, as it's so much easier to relate to them as a recreational player who plays on the side of a job. It would definetly make me tune in to see people like.. mattbates, tommyd, GaryQQQ, Dohhh,lambert, idonkcallu, rancid, dontellmum etc etc just talk about there journeys in poker maybe discuss a few hands with the analyst. Might sound a bit ridiculous but it think it would go down really well.
With 3 shows a week @ 5 hours a time, I can't imagine any of the existing presenters would be unable to commit....why do you need 6?
When you have (imo) one of the best presenters on TV anywhere, in Rich O, and a very very good presenter in Anna, why would they not do the 3 shows per week between them?
Then you have Sarah who is also very good. And James, although I'd prefer to see him in the analyst chair where possible, but that's still 4 quality presenters to fill 3 spots.
Why would you even need any more?
Haven't seen the 2 new people, but I can't see any real need to change unless RO & AF are turning the shows down.
Even then, Redmond and TK have both filled in quite naturally.
Don't understand the politics behind it, but Sky are blessed with a pool of 4 vvvvvv good presenters. Wudn't bother messing about myself.
With 3 shows a week @ 5 hours a time, I can't imagine any of the existing presenters would be unable to commit....why do you need 6? When you have (imo) one of the best presenters on TV anywhere, in Rich O, and a very very good presenter in Anna, why would they not do the 3 shows per week between them? Then you have Sarah who is also very good. And James, although I'd prefer to see him in the analyst chair where possible, but that's still 4 quality presenters to fill 3 spots. Why would you even need any more? Haven't seen the 2 new people, but I can't see any real need to change unless RO & AF are turning the shows down. Even then, Redmond and TK have both filled in quite naturally. Don't understand the politics behind it, but Sky are blessed with a pool of 4 vvvvvv good presenters. Wudn't bother messing about myself. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
In order for you to realise Orford's superior ability you need to also have a worse presenter so Orford shines through :-)
I've only seen the op presenter once, and that wasn't yesterday, but I had no problem with him at all. It's all just opinion, and it looks like the general consensus is that he's not liked, but we'll see how that changes over time if he's allowed to keep the job.
I have to admit though, the new presenters show thread was nothing short of awful lol Boring wall of text. Wait, is the new presenter BorinLoner?
If Jules and Yiannis read this I really hope they aren't disheartened. I think for being new to the show they are doing great. No matter what kind of job they did there would always be haters.
Don't let any of the posts get to you, you both obviously beat very tough opposition to get the job and Tikay's judgement is spot on. Enjoy it and let your personalities shine through.
Having done some time in front of the camera myself, the gig of presenter is insanely hard. I will probably hack an analyst or two off with this, but the presenter role is 10 times harder IMO.
Why?
Autocue.
Something as simple as reading from an autocue when you know you're live suddenly becomes far more daunting. You boo-boo that up and you can't undo it. Concentration has to be mixed with an air of confidence and appeal.
Talkback.
That's the earpiece that lets them get information and direction from the gallery while having to present at the same time. How many of you can continue with your sentence while listening to another? I have been offered talk back a couple of times in the past and declined in a heartbeat. Too much information going in while some is going out for my brain to cope with.
Being the 'lead' on the show
Analysts are essentially 'doing poker'. I can happily analyse hands, offer ways to tackle poker problems, talk about pot odds for days. I couldn't do 15 minutes of interviewing someone else live. Presenters have to steer the conversation, lead with natural questions (and presenters do put these in along with those from the Production team in the gallery) and keep you lot happy at the same time. Oh, and then read about the performance on here.
The length of the broadcast.
There aren't too many TV settings out there which demand ONE presenter do a FIVE HOUR live stint in ONE SESSION. The mighty Jeff Stelling is an obvious exception. Even the Sky Sports football teams covering matches are doing 3-4 hours and there's 90 minutes of football to break it up. Sky Poker presenters get a total of 20 minutes split into four 5-minute breaks.
As for the timing part of the thread, Tikay is absolutely right. If you were two hours into your working day and you had a dozen people stroll by and tell you your efforts weren't to their liking (or worse), you've feel demoralised and slighted by it. You'd at least want to be judged on the whole shift, right? And to think this presenter was on their third shift. I imagine everyone is fully competent in their jobs by their third day....
Criticism is fine, but be fair and give anyone who puts themselves into this particularly tough role a bit of time, that's what I say.
i kinda feel for the new guys as from my own limited experience a 5hr show is a pretty daunting task & surely everyone should realise that it usually takes a stint or to to warm to a new face on any show.
i multi-viewed the 861 show alongside the GPS live stream & thought it was good entertainment.
when i first heard carlo was going to be an analyst i did a double take (sry mr citrone), now he's the one who regularly tickles my fancy,
In Response to Re: Opinions on the 2 newest sky poker presenters??: wow, i kinda feel for the new guys as from my own limited experience a 5hr show is a pretty daunting task & surely everyone should realise that it usually takes a stint or to to warm to a new face on any show. i multi-viewed the 861 show alongside the GPS live stream & thought it was good entertainment. when i first heard carlo was going to be an analyst i did a double take (sry mr citrone), now he's the one who regularly tickles my fancy, whudda thunk it... Posted by yoyo
You're a pretty dab hand at analysing, Jules. Could do with working on your No Limit Hold'em tournament skills though.
In Response to Re: Opinions on the 2 newest sky poker presenters?? : You're a pretty dab hand at analysing, Jules. Could do with working on your No Limit Hold'em tournament skills though. Posted by Sky_Dave
double rubs!!
(hope you manage to snag a pass for birmingham btw)
I did start a thread a while ago after his first show saying how good I thought Yiannis was and how I was looking forward to seeing more of him.
Admittedly I didn't love his 2nd show as much, I didn't see the show last night, and I'm sure he's not perfect but who is? This was discussed elsewhere and I said at the time how harsh it was to post this kind of thing especially mid-show. It must be a hard job as it is, so to have to read this and not blink an eye and just carry on is not gonna make things any easier.
Obv there's room for improvement as I think there is with pretty much every single presenter on the show (maybe with the exception of Orford... urgh @ saying that lol).
I think it's been mentioned earlier in this thread but one of the things I liked about his first show was that he was clearly a 'rec' player who had some thoughts on the game. He's not a pro, so sometimes his thought processes are wrong, but this is to be expected and if nothing else it sparks debate and allows to analyst to dispel some bad thought processes viewers might have and explain why XYZ is the correct way to play/think.
I commented last night. I felt then and still feel one comment and discussion has since got out of hand. I dont personally like Yannis presenting style. Thats not to say that Yannis cannot change my mind on that. I would love to suggest things for him to improve. I think borinloner put up a point try and take some pressure off with a guest. Tommy would be a good example as one mentioned i think. Maybe even someone like Matt Bates who crushes us daily. might also give someone a chance to win . Im all for giving him some time and i hope he can fix the issues i personally dislike. Posted by The_Don90
I have been on the show before and really enjoyed it! I would be happy to go on again assuming the correct fee is agreed!
A lot of good points have been made by Sky Dave/Tikay/Rancid/donttelmum.....even Julian!
Regarding the shows, the presenters/analysts cannot please everyone all of the time. The shows seem to be gearing themselves more towards new players (which makes complete sense as we need new players all of the time). This can mean some of the shows are not aimed at, and therefore not appreciated by the standard forum reg.
There are a number of levels of thinking within poker and sky need to gear themselves towards different levels at different times. When I was on the show, I found it hard (probably frustrating is a better word!) analysing numerous hands where players were limping utg with rags etc however you are there to help players so you have to make sure you explain why what they are doing isn't optimal. If these are the hands players want analysed then you need to do your best to help players.
The 5 hour show is a long time but it is their job so they should be able to do it however as people have mentioned who was perfect at their job after 3 shifts/days! My main issues are
the timing of the post lack of constructive feedback from some people racial equality comments which are so far off the mark imo
Its good to have discussion about things BUT we are talking about a person and their job so people should consider that and re read what they post before they post it. I guess its a sign of the times but I keep seeing people post things online that I don't think they would say to peoples faces and I do wonder why people do it!
I have to agree with just about everything Tikay says on this thread. However that doesn't take away from my opinion that Yiannis is struggling for warmth & likeability. That doesn't mean that he won't get it, just that he is struggling at the moment.
For me that is a complete contrast with Jules, who is warm & likeable. She is also humble and has started very much like Anna & Sarah (and LML & Michelle before them) by being (or acting) relatively dumb, asking lots of questions and trying to learn. Yiannis, on the other hand, is too quick to offer an opinion, even almost getting in an argument with Jen last night which made me cringe. Full credit to Jen for taking it well on screen.
If Yiannis wants to be successful, he needs to learn what makes a good SKY Poker presenter and I am sure there will be plenty of help & advice around.
Full credit to SKY Poker for leaving this thread on the forum and commenting on the wisdom (or otherwise) of the OP. Certainly the comment regarding positive racism was at best ill advised. The timing that the thread was started was also not the best.
I appreciate that doing a five hour live show must be difficult. The professionalism of RO, AF, SC & JH hides these difficulties well. Also having seen YM's three shows, he has shown some improvement. In his first show, he kept rotating in his chair which he has now stopped doing. Maybe this improvement will continue.
Let me just comment on Anna. One or two people said that they weren't keen on her at first. My view was torn between "does she know what she is doing" & "this girl is a fruitcake" but there is something totally endearing about her that gets you on side. That is what Yiannis hasn't got yet.
Can I suggest analysing his game, highlighting his mistakes, him saying "what a dope I am" and then people will start to come round.
PS: If you want a guest on the show, I am usually available.
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Concrete, Geldy, not cement. CONCRETE. In case you had forgotten, here is a photograph of some CONCRETE. And this is cement.
Posted by Tikay10
Hi Borin
TY for the heads up m8. IDCU ...sincere apologies but i did think it was unlike you, Steve. Arsenal supporters are such fair-minded fans. (LOL)
Sorry jordz but the comment is and was aimed at you instead.
Its funny after seeing so many IDCU comments with that icon i think he should just be given it by SKY!!!!!!
I should have realised it wasn't you IDCU as, with your well known dyslexia which you down play in good heart, im not sure what it may have said! Sorry again Steve.
Plus, very nice to see him learning as he is presenting and talking about hands, and asking questions people will want answers too.
If all players tried to learn as much as this guy, and spent less time moaning and crying over beats, poker would be a much tougher game IMO
Anyone new is going to get so much stick because everyone is used to the same old faces telling the same old jokes/puns/private banter jokes etc...
Airing you distain for any presentor is just bad form imo, what do you hope to get out of it ?
Do you want them sacked ?
Reminds me of some horrible boys own companies I have worked for, if your face don't fit - your out.
witch hunt anyone ?
Just to give this thread a bit of balance, I find all the presentors at times equally boring......
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Boring?
What?
WHAT?
Tommy would be a good example as one mentioned i think. Maybe even someone like Matt Bates who crushes us daily. might also give someone a chance to win
My missus says she finds you annoying, she was going to start a thread about it - but I said it's just not worth it !
wow, i kinda feel for the new guys as from my own limited experience a 5hr show is a pretty daunting task & surely everyone should realise that it usually takes a stint or to to warm to a new face on any show. i multi-viewed the 861 show alongside the GPS live stream & thought it was good entertainment. when i first heard carlo was going to be an analyst i did a double take (sry mr citrone), now he's the one who regularly tickles my fancy, whudda thunk it...
Posted by yoyo
I did start a thread a while ago after his first show saying how good I thought Yiannis was and how I was looking forward to seeing more of him.
Admittedly I didn't love his 2nd show as much, I didn't see the show last night, and I'm sure he's not perfect but who is? This was discussed elsewhere and I said at the time how harsh it was to post this kind of thing especially mid-show. It must be a hard job as it is, so to have to read this and not blink an eye and just carry on is not gonna make things any easier.
Obv there's room for improvement as I think there is with pretty much every single presenter on the show (maybe with the exception of Orford... urgh @ saying that lol).
I think it's been mentioned earlier in this thread but one of the things I liked about his first show was that he was clearly a 'rec' player who had some thoughts on the game. He's not a pro, so sometimes his thought processes are wrong, but this is to be expected and if nothing else it sparks debate and allows to analyst to dispel some bad thought processes viewers might have and explain why XYZ is the correct way to play/think.
A lot of good points have been made by Sky Dave/Tikay/Rancid/donttelmum.....even Julian!
Regarding the shows, the presenters/analysts cannot please everyone all of the time. The shows seem to be gearing themselves more towards new players (which makes complete sense as we need new players all of the time). This can mean some of the shows are not aimed at, and therefore not appreciated by the standard forum reg.
There are a number of levels of thinking within poker and sky need to gear themselves towards different levels at different times. When I was on the show, I found it hard (probably frustrating is a better word!) analysing numerous hands where players were limping utg with rags etc however you are there to help players so you have to make sure you explain why what they are doing isn't optimal. If these are the hands players want analysed then you need to do your best to help players.
The 5 hour show is a long time but it is their job so they should be able to do it however as people have mentioned who was perfect at their job after 3 shifts/days! My main issues are
the timing of the post
lack of constructive feedback from some people
racial equality comments which are so far off the mark imo
Its good to have discussion about things BUT we are talking about a person and their job so people should consider that and re read what they post before they post it. I guess its a sign of the times but I keep seeing people post things online that I don't think they would say to peoples faces and I do wonder why people do it!
I have to agree with just about everything Tikay says on this thread. However that doesn't take away from my opinion that Yiannis is struggling for warmth & likeability. That doesn't mean that he won't get it, just that he is struggling at the moment.
For me that is a complete contrast with Jules, who is warm & likeable. She is also humble and has started very much like Anna & Sarah (and LML & Michelle before them) by being (or acting) relatively dumb, asking lots of questions and trying to learn. Yiannis, on the other hand, is too quick to offer an opinion, even almost getting in an argument with Jen last night which made me cringe. Full credit to Jen for taking it well on screen.
If Yiannis wants to be successful, he needs to learn what makes a good SKY Poker presenter and I am sure there will be plenty of help & advice around.
Full credit to SKY Poker for leaving this thread on the forum and commenting on the wisdom (or otherwise) of the OP. Certainly the comment regarding positive racism was at best ill advised. The timing that the thread was started was also not the best.
I appreciate that doing a five hour live show must be difficult. The professionalism of RO, AF, SC & JH hides these difficulties well. Also having seen YM's three shows, he has shown some improvement. In his first show, he kept rotating in his chair which he has now stopped doing. Maybe this improvement will continue.
Let me just comment on Anna. One or two people said that they weren't keen on her at first. My view was torn between "does she know what she is doing" & "this girl is a fruitcake" but there is something totally endearing about her that gets you on side. That is what Yiannis hasn't got yet.
Can I suggest analysing his game, highlighting his mistakes, him saying "what a dope I am" and then people will start to come round.
PS: If you want a guest on the show, I am usually available.