so the aim of today was to grind until I hit the 3000 points marks and done that in about 2 and half hours of 4 tabling. Was really feeling tired today, grinded about 8 hours on Friday about 5 on Saturday and studied abit, and just wanted to know I was going to get a reward in terms of the c4p, Im getting £45 which trebles my highest previously earnt so im really happy. In terms of the actual play, I start off fairly dodgy think I made a mistake in one hand, got a few coolers on the river. My QQ vs Ak for full stacks and ace hits river. Recovered well and getting better tilt wise and eventually pulled it back to £7 in profit which tbh I would of taken an even day just to get the points.
Missed the super roller sats so decided to invest some of my mighty £7 profit in a £2.20 frezy sat, as not much else to pick with my BR and the fact I didn't want to LR, built a good stack before you was all in everyhand. Got to the final table out of 24 I think (1 seat GTD) and these short stacks were rebuyin when they had 3000 chips and I had 200,000 chips. I was really confused and wanted the seat done as I was massively ahead. Realised 2nd was £88 suddenly I wasn't wishing as much against a comeback for the shorties. Turnt out as the last people went out that 2nd turnt into a seat aswell. So really happy to get in, anyway last time I considered taking the money was the ukops main event which I got into for £5.50, the money was £77 I think, ended up playing and coming 11th for £400 so maybe its a sign, I also went to take money in a rebuy tourney as I thought I wont rebuy so I got no chance, ended up winning it for 1.1k so fingers crossed!
Also whos going to get the new film out today "raise bet fold" ?
Update so the aim of today was to grind until I hit the 3000 points marks and done that in about 2 and half hours of 4 tabling. Was really feeling tired today, grinded about 8 hours on Friday about 5 on Saturday and studied abit, and just wanted to know I was going to get a reward in terms of the c4p, Im getting £45 which trebles my highest previously earnt so im really happy. In terms of the actual play, I start off fairly dodgy think I made a mistake in one hand, got a few coolers on the river. My QQ vs Ak for full stacks and ace hits river. Recovered well and getting better tilt wise and eventually pulled it back to £7 in profit which tbh I would of taken an even day just to get the points. Missed the super roller sats so decided to invest some of my mighty £7 profit in a £2.20 frezy sat, as not much else to pick with my BR and the fact I didn't want to LR, built a good stack before you was all in everyhand. Got to the final table out of 24 I think (1 seat GTD) and these short stacks were rebuyin when they had 3000 chips and I had 200,000 chips. I was really confused and wanted the seat done as I was massively ahead. Realised 2nd was £88 suddenly I wasn't wishing as much against a comeback for the shorties. Turnt out as the last people went out that 2nd turnt into a seat aswell. So really happy to get in, anyway last time I considered taking the money was the ukops main event which I got into for £5.50, the money was £77 I think, ended up playing and coming 11th for £400 so maybe its a sign, I also went to take money in a rebuy tourney as I thought I wont rebuy so I got no chance, ended up winning it for 1.1k so fingers crossed! Also whos going to get the new film out today "raise bet fold" ? BR: £466.21 Day : + 1/2 buy in (£5) C4P: 3000 points (£45) Calcalfold: "countdown till busto....tick tock" Posted by robbie1992
Nice one robbie.....good to see things going well for you. I hope you don't end up with egg on your face when it comes to posting the bolded part at the end of every post though lol
im willing to take that risk waller lol hopefully every time I write it he feels like his ended up with egg on his face.
Dissapointed with the roller, never really got into it. Managed to double up twice about 2 hours in and then lost the crucial hand, 1010vs Ak, ace on the flop. Shoved my 3 bb with k2 next hand, 2 callers, flop 2 pair, up to 10k. Still a double up and a half away from the average with 100 remaining. I had been bluff shoving on the blinds a few times as I had no choice if I don't ill be too far away to catch up. Then my exit hand. Im in BB, the button min raises like he has everytime, tight passive calls in the sb, I had 7 5. 10kstack I think, about 3.5k in pot, do I shove? I think its an easy shove tbh my cards arnt relavant. The button is stealing and the sb didn't think his hand was good enough to raise with. button folds, sb calls with a7o, that's a really bad call for 1/2 your stack isn't it?
Did I do right by shoving? I increase my stack by 33% if I win pre which I will a lot and if I don't im prob against 2 higher cards and its a situation im willing to take seeing as im going out if I don't double up anyway. Ill post the hand you MTT players give me your view please.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
pwr-kite
Small blind
300.00
300.00
21987.50
robbie1992
Big blind
600.00
900.00
11917.50
Your hole cards
7
5
NOMADICUS
Fold
P6
Fold
Sparce
Fold
RevoT
Raise
1200.00
2100.00
44645.00
pwr-kite
Call
900.00
3000.00
21087.50
robbie1992
All-in
11917.50
14917.50
0.00
RevoT
Fold
pwr-kite
Call
11317.50
26235.00
9770.00
pwr-kite
Show
7
A
robbie1992
Show
7
5
Flop
7
2
2
Turn
8
River
10
pwr-kite
Win
Two Pairs, 7s and 2s
26235.00
36005.00
Too good a spot to turn down or can I hold on? maybe I could have found a better spot actually, I still have 18 bb, just a lot of dead money in the pot. But I suppose its 7 5o, hmmm I don't no whats your views?
It is a decent move, don't get me wrong. But there is a time and a place for it. 7 5 off and 18bb in the monthly Roller isn't perhaps the time or the place.
If you had something like J10s, something that you know can never really be ahead should you get a call but does have plenty of potential then it's a decent squeeze.
FWIW I think the call by the villain is loose at best and pretty terrible at the other end of the spectrum. Type of call you see in the old bounty hunters.
I still like the move as I think both players look weak and the money I can win will be a big increase too my stack.... But agreed wrong hand and prob too deep. 12 or less I think I have too even if I hate the hand.
I still like the move as I think both players look weak and the money I can win will be a big increase too my stack.... But agreed wrong hand and prob too deep.12 or less I think I have too even if I hate the hand. Posted by robbie1992
You aren't too deep, your stack size is about perfect. Doing this with 12 or less is horrible imo even with a lot of stronger hands than 7 high.
Is the hand even relevant here as I'm doing it just for the situation, or is that just a bad way of looking at it? Posted by robbie1992
Yeh the hand is relevant, because we want decent equity when we're called and ideally blockers to big hands which will mean we get called less often.
On paper the situation is perfect.
We have 18xbb, very good re-shove stack with no antes.
The button has a big stack, so can/will/should be opening a very wide range from the button. (im readless here, dunno if u were at the time or not?)
The small blind has called from an inbetween stack, his range is really weak and we should expect folds from him a huge % of the time as we can do a lot of damage to his stack should he call and lose.
I'd just like a slightly better hand than 7 high to do it with, a high card always helps
I'd been there 3 orbits, the button had been fairly tag. The sb was a small stack who had doubled up a few hands before and had just won a flip against me, tbh Im more worried the button calls when I went all in. The s. I thought is looking for a cheap flop with. Marginal hand and will snap fold.
If his had was anything more then marginal he would raise/shove first. Think the call is questionable with his stack. I was 92/98 at the time I think so I can't pass the chance up.
It is a decent move, don't get me wrong. But there is a time and a place for it. 7 5 off and 18bb in the monthly Roller isn't perhaps the time or the place. Posted by hhyftrftdr
on the contrary - it is situational not hand dependent - DOHHHHHHHH has already made the appropriate comments on stack size etc. just v unlucky to be called, and DOMINATED. i might not have the b*lls to make this type of play myself but i like the idea and specifically having the guts to do it in the roller.
however, Robbie, I think you might have a tendancy to try this sort of thing too often. if so, do expect high variance
Fair play to him for trying it. And like I said, it's a decent move.
As stated above, it's a great stack size to be throwing about and the squeeze should've got through really. Better to get busy with 15-20bb holding marginal hands than blind down to less than 12 or 10 bigs and always find ourselves under pressure to find the right spot. But I believe 7 5 off is possibly too marginal, despite the situation being set up quite nicely for us.
If we have decided to go with the hand, why not make it look as strong as possible and put in a raise, with the intention of bombing any flop should we get a caller. You could/should fold out some pretty strong hands by 3betting out of an 18bb stack. In this situation, a button min and sb make up is such a wide range that we could take advantage of this with a squeeze raise as opposed to squeeze shove.
hmm I agree with the too marginal part, 7 5 had such poor equity really, although I considered that and thought I prob have 2 live cards and in the situation I have no choice, if I wait any longer by the time ill double up ill still be in big trouble. It wasn't really anything to do with having the b***s I just felt I had no choice, was too good a spot to miss with my stack. Im never 3 betting here, im either folding or shoving, if I did 3 bet and get called id obv lose my stack on the flop anyway. Thanks for the opinions .
hAd yesterday off as I played a lot over the weekend and was getting that feeling where u don't feel fresh and unmotivated. I also had the dog walking thing to do with my aunt yesterday, and wanted to watch the new series of skins....and in particular watch effy. Thought it was a good start and as a massive skins fan im really happy its back. To the poker now, I started playing at 12 and was planning to play until 4, I added a 5th table in halfway through but only played it for about 45 mins, as it was impossiable really to fit it on my screen without covering any of the other tables, how would I solve this? one table emptied aswell and there was no table free so I decided to stick to 4. I hope to add a 5th for a period of my session everytime now though and eventually move it up.
Had a bad start, lose 3/4 stack by c/c with AQ top pair on missed draws river, unfortunately they had AK. Had a lot of interesting spots today and will be interested to see what comments I get on the hands I post. Ended up even as I won quiete a few all ins. I flatted with AK on the button against a TAG/NITTY reg to balance by range flop comes K 10 7 two spades, player 1 leads out which I plan raising as he was short stacked so he would shove with a wide range on this flop. But the reg 3 bets fairly big, I really did think about folding but then thought he could be raising with the same intentions as me, too charge the draw with kj or kq, so I decided to shove . They both called, player 1 had a5s , reg had 77 for bottom set so I was in terriable shape. First thought was you smart a**e you should of just raised, but I think its just a cold deck and the fact iv under repped my hand and the fact I flatted to keep worse in means im not going to fold there, but if I did it would definatly of been to the regs raise.
Summary of last month is good, I regained my balance from being clueless and -18 buyins to feeling confident and mitvated and +6.5 buyins. Its not amazing but its a start that im happy with. Also achieved my aim of top 20 in the promo finishing 7th. Managed to play both the primo, turbo Tuesday, and super roller for a total of £7 thanks to sats and also now play 4 tables and looking to blend in a 5th. Really happy I started the diary, good to know how people (minus calcalfolds opinion) think your progress is going and what advice they give. Most that comment, in particular rancid, have been here and done it and built there BR so its great to here there advice
Also I logged on yesterday to read some diarys and thought iv forgotton something, I was in the freeroll for 2 mains as I played the turbo and super roller. Completely forgot, so I went to my tables to see where I come and was impressed with the payouts for a freeroll so fair play sky. Winner got £130 or something I think. While I was there I see I was registered for another tourney tonight. It turns out I had ben nominated by a few players on a thread called "post of the month" which means im in a 6 table , winner gets £50, last get £10 and every place gets player. So thankyou for the people that mentioned by name, not sure what post it actually was but I appreciate it, I will be writing on that thread after to give my thanks. Its at 9pm I think so I will update tonight to tell you how I got on.
3) Really interesting hand imo. River is bad. I was going to shove as I thought that's the plan your commted, but then see I had over 1/2 a stack left I think, and I always thought I was getting value out of a Q, now another q comes I cant pretend im getting value from something else. I don't think im winning here tbh, so I c/f. My one problem with my play is I give the flush draw a bluff opportunity and then I have to decide if his bluffed with a busted FD or he has a Q, its a polarizing bet I think. Notes told me his wouldn't do this basically with a FD.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
robbie1992
Small blind
£0.05
£0.05
£9.70
Donttelmum
Big blind
£0.10
£0.15
£12.10
Your hole cards
A
A
graham1941
Fold
dawbell
Raise
£0.20
£0.35
£8.49
POWERFULL
Fold
Cash_Daddy
Fold
robbie1992
Raise
£0.60
£0.95
£9.10
Donttelmum
Fold
dawbell
Call
£0.45
£1.40
£8.04
Flop
10
Q
8
robbie1992
Bet
£1.05
£2.45
£8.05
dawbell
Call
£1.05
£3.50
£6.99
Turn
6
robbie1992
Bet
£2.40
£5.90
£5.65
dawbell
Call
£2.40
£8.30
£4.59
River
Q
robbie1992
Check
dawbell
All-in
£4.59
£12.89
£0.00
robbie1992
Fold
dawbell
Muck
dawbell
Win
£7.67
£7.67
dawbell
Return
£4.59
£0.63
£12.26
4) Really disappointed with this hand
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
robbie1992
Small blind
£0.05
£0.05
£9.85
suedehead7
Big blind
£0.10
£0.15
£10.46
Your hole cards
A
Q
cactusjac
Fold
ethan2002
Fold
elbows7
Raise
£0.40
£0.55
£9.60
TheDon176
Fold
robbie1992
Call
£0.35
£0.90
£9.50
suedehead7
Fold
Flop
7
A
10
robbie1992
Check
elbows7
Bet
£0.68
£1.58
£8.92
robbie1992
Call
£0.68
£2.26
£8.82
Turn
6
robbie1992
Check
elbows7
Bet
£1.70
£3.96
£7.22
robbie1992
Call
£1.70
£5.66
£7.12
River
6
robbie1992
Check
elbows7
Bet
£4.25
£9.91
£2.97
robbie1992
Call
£4.25
£14.16
£2.87
elbows7
Show
K
A
robbie1992
Muck
A
Q
elbows7
Win
Two Pairs, Aces and 6s
£13.09
£16.06
I call flop and turn, and then see he bets the river much bigger then previous streets. Every drawing hand missed so I could be winning, but every value hand beats me. I also wasn't sure what would bet again, AJ I don't think would, AK preoberly would, sets would, everything else checks back. Could I of maybe raised the turn? but im oop so I would raise the turn and prob have to shove the river, or check it and hope my opponent is worried and checks back better so I get to showdown cheaper, could I maybe even of lead the river for 1/2 pot as a blocker?
hmm I agree with the too marginal part, 7 5 had such poor equity really, although I considered that and thought I prob have 2 live cards and in the situation I have no choice, if I wait any longer by the time ill double up ill still be in big trouble. It wasn't really anything to do with having the b***s I just felt I had no choice, was too good a spot to miss with my stack. Im never 3 betting here, im either folding or shoving, if I did 3 bet and get called id obv lose my stack on the flop anyway. Thanks for the opinions . Posted by robbie1992
Can I ask why you'd never 3bet here? If we have decided that the situation is set up so that it is too good to pass up.....shoving can look like a squeeze and comes with a potentially wide range. A 3bet out of an 18bb stack essentially narrows our range down almost exclusively to premium holdings. It is a super strong move. Neither player in theory, unless slowplaying a monster, should call that 3bet. They should not be set mining and hands like A10 or similar that otherwise might be inclined to call a squeeze shove may well find a fold to that action.
Just an alternative means of potentially taking down the pot without actually having your tournament life on the line.
I just don't like the thought of getting called and being oop, with such a poor hand, if im raising I do it with a stronger hand. Hand this weak I don't want to risk raising getting called and having to fold, even if I hit a 7 or 5 its hardly ever going to be top pair. That was my thinking.
Comments
Going in the right direction
so the aim of today was to grind until I hit the 3000 points marks and done that in about 2 and half hours of 4 tabling. Was really feeling tired today, grinded about 8 hours on Friday about 5 on Saturday and studied abit, and just wanted to know I was going to get a reward in terms of the c4p, Im getting £45 which trebles my highest previously earnt so im really happy. In terms of the actual play, I start off fairly dodgy think I made a mistake in one hand, got a few coolers on the river. My QQ vs Ak for full stacks and ace hits river. Recovered well and getting better tilt wise and eventually pulled it back to £7 in profit which tbh I would of taken an even day just to get the points.
Missed the super roller sats so decided to invest some of my mighty £7 profit in a £2.20 frezy sat, as not much else to pick with my BR and the fact I didn't want to LR, built a good stack before you was all in everyhand. Got to the final table out of 24 I think (1 seat GTD) and these short stacks were rebuyin when they had 3000 chips and I had 200,000 chips. I was really confused and wanted the seat done as I was massively ahead. Realised 2nd was £88 suddenly I wasn't wishing as much against a comeback for the shorties. Turnt out as the last people went out that 2nd turnt into a seat aswell. So really happy to get in, anyway last time I considered taking the money was the ukops main event which I got into for £5.50, the money was £77 I think, ended up playing and coming 11th for £400 so maybe its a sign, I also went to take money in a rebuy tourney as I thought I wont rebuy so I got no chance, ended up winning it for 1.1k so fingers crossed!
Also whos going to get the new film out today "raise bet fold" ?
BR: £466.21
Day : + 1/2 buy in (£5)
C4P: 3000 points (£45)
Calcalfold: "countdown till busto....tick tock"
Dissapointed with the roller, never really got into it. Managed to double up twice about 2 hours in and then lost the crucial hand, 1010vs Ak, ace on the flop. Shoved my 3 bb with k2 next hand, 2 callers, flop 2 pair, up to 10k. Still a double up and a half away from the average with 100 remaining. I had been bluff shoving on the blinds a few times as I had no choice if I don't ill be too far away to catch up. Then my exit hand. Im in BB, the button min raises like he has everytime, tight passive calls in the sb, I had 7 5. 10kstack I think, about 3.5k in pot, do I shove? I think its an easy shove tbh my cards arnt relavant. The button is stealing and the sb didn't think his hand was good enough to raise with. button folds, sb calls with a7o, that's a really bad call for 1/2 your stack isn't it?
Did I do right by shoving? I increase my stack by 33% if I win pre which I will a lot and if I don't im prob against 2 higher cards and its a situation im willing to take seeing as im going out if I don't double up anyway. Ill post the hand you MTT players give me your view please.
If you had something like J10s, something that you know can never really be ahead should you get a call but does have plenty of potential then it's a decent squeeze.
FWIW I think the call by the villain is loose at best and pretty terrible at the other end of the spectrum. Type of call you see in the old bounty hunters.
You aren't too deep, your stack size is about perfect. Doing this with 12 or less is horrible imo even with a lot of stronger hands than 7 high.
On paper the situation is perfect.
We have 18xbb, very good re-shove stack with no antes.
The button has a big stack, so can/will/should be opening a very wide range from the button. (im readless here, dunno if u were at the time or not?)
The small blind has called from an inbetween stack, his range is really weak and we should expect folds from him a huge % of the time as we can do a lot of damage to his stack should he call and lose.
I'd just like a slightly better hand than 7 high to do it with, a high card always helps
As stated above, it's a great stack size to be throwing about and the squeeze should've got through really. Better to get busy with 15-20bb holding marginal hands than blind down to less than 12 or 10 bigs and always find ourselves under pressure to find the right spot. But I believe 7 5 off is possibly too marginal, despite the situation being set up quite nicely for us.
If we have decided to go with the hand, why not make it look as strong as possible and put in a raise, with the intention of bombing any flop should we get a caller. You could/should fold out some pretty strong hands by 3betting out of an 18bb stack. In this situation, a button min and sb make up is such a wide range that we could take advantage of this with a squeeze raise as opposed to squeeze shove.
hAd yesterday off as I played a lot over the weekend and was getting that feeling where u don't feel fresh and unmotivated. I also had the dog walking thing to do with my aunt yesterday, and wanted to watch the new series of skins....and in particular watch effy. Thought it was a good start and as a massive skins fan im really happy its back. To the poker now, I started playing at 12 and was planning to play until 4, I added a 5th table in halfway through but only played it for about 45 mins, as it was impossiable really to fit it on my screen without covering any of the other tables, how would I solve this? one table emptied aswell and there was no table free so I decided to stick to 4. I hope to add a 5th for a period of my session everytime now though and eventually move it up.
Had a bad start, lose 3/4 stack by c/c with AQ top pair on missed draws river, unfortunately they had AK. Had a lot of interesting spots today and will be interested to see what comments I get on the hands I post. Ended up even as I won quiete a few all ins. I flatted with AK on the button against a TAG/NITTY reg to balance by range flop comes K 10 7 two spades, player 1 leads out which I plan raising as he was short stacked so he would shove with a wide range on this flop. But the reg 3 bets fairly big, I really did think about folding but then thought he could be raising with the same intentions as me, too charge the draw with kj or kq, so I decided to shove . They both called, player 1 had a5s , reg had 77 for bottom set so I was in terriable shape. First thought was you smart a**e you should of just raised, but I think its just a cold deck and the fact iv under repped my hand and the fact I flatted to keep worse in means im not going to fold there, but if I did it would definatly of been to the regs raise.
Summary of last month is good, I regained my balance from being clueless and -18 buyins to feeling confident and mitvated and +6.5 buyins. Its not amazing but its a start that im happy with. Also achieved my aim of top 20 in the promo finishing 7th. Managed to play both the primo, turbo Tuesday, and super roller for a total of £7 thanks to sats and also now play 4 tables and looking to blend in a 5th. Really happy I started the diary, good to know how people (minus calcalfolds opinion) think your progress is going and what advice they give. Most that comment, in particular rancid, have been here and done it and built there BR so its great to here there advice
Also I logged on yesterday to read some diarys and thought iv forgotton something, I was in the freeroll for 2 mains as I played the turbo and super roller. Completely forgot, so I went to my tables to see where I come and was impressed with the payouts for a freeroll so fair play sky. Winner got £130 or something I think. While I was there I see I was registered for another tourney tonight. It turns out I had ben nominated by a few players on a thread called "post of the month" which means im in a 6 table , winner gets £50, last get £10 and every place gets player. So thankyou for the people that mentioned by name, not sure what post it actually was but I appreciate it, I will be writing on that thread after to give my thanks. Its at 9pm I think so I will update tonight to tell you how I got on.
Balance :£465.41
Day: £0
Just an alternative means of potentially taking down the pot without actually having your tournament life on the line.
Good luck in the TOTP tourney.
Thanks mate.