Thanks guys, I had a good birthday, had lovely weather for it so was very lucky.
Feel like I can still play more so when its days I have nothing planned im going to try and put in as much volume as I can. Played for about 5 hours today, after 3 hours I had enough, was playing bad, felt tilted for some reason and was down on session I think. Also it was so humid and my chair is leather.....not a good mix im afaird.
Anyway I knew I had to keep going as today was a free day, and put my music on and suddenly I felt motivated again. Started to play some good poker imo, hit some nice cards, was playing players from 20nl I think aswell and I feel like I held my own against them, would like to know what they think. I was also involved in a massive 3 way pot where I lost 150bb, I had KK , I felt opponent had Aces but I once read in Harrington book, for everytime you fold KK because you think opponent AA, there be twice as many times you fold it and he shows QQ. So im fine with how the hand went. Ended up 2.5 buy ins up which again isn't amazing. I think my winrate is still low, what do you think??
But like I said I was struggling and down, so if I can make those days winning days then I have to be happy. Plus its sunny out !! so it makes it hard to be motivated.
As im writing this at 2 35pm im sure you don't need telling how the session went. Started off very well, was a few buyins up, then within a 15 minute spell I was around even again, and I really didn't deserve any. I got beat by 5 9 when I had aces, I hit a set of QQ only for my opponent to call a pot sized bet and hit his gutshot on the turn, I value betted flop and turn and shvoed river when I had KK as overpair....opponent had set of 88.
Then I was stupid and started tilting, was so annoyed at how bad I run that I was just playing awful. Its so annoying, I cant just do stupid things cause iv run bad, just shows yet again were going round in circles, as my mental game has obv gone backwards. I really thought I could hit the £700 mark, id been playing well and only winning a few buy ins every session.
Just feels like you can never make a good profit as bad beats are always going to ruin it. The fact is I hate my mental game is only good or bad based upon how im running.
I cbb to post any hands it takes ages and no one comments anyway.
I lost 4 buyins, so yesterday I payed 4 1/2 hours and won 2 1/2 when I desserved to win more and today I lose 4 even though I played well for most the session. Just so fed up with disappointing sessions. My Br was £595, I withdraw £195 as I wanted an achievement for the day. The achievement is iv paided back 1/2 my initial deposit. It will make no difference to me at all as I don't play tourneys that often, and im happy to try and comfortable multitable 5, then 6, then 7 up until 8 tables.....I want to do that at 10nl and no higher.
So after my withdrawal of £195 my balance sat at £400 at the start of the session, which is 40 buy ins for the level I play which im fine with. I didn't play yesterday as I have to go Gillingham every 3 weeks as part of my recovery so I took the little time I had to watch some vids on deucescracked and read the mental game of poker abit more, as im still struggling abit mentally when things arnt going to plan.
I played 4 hours today, most 5 tables but 3/4 at different stages due to low traffic. Played well, nothing much happened for first half of the session , won a few pots, lost a few, set of 7's to a 6 9 straight, and heads up against liamboi I lost AK vs AA, all in pre. So pretty standard. The 2nd half as I started to win I started to get more confident and there was a good range of different type of players on my table. I was tempted to add a 6th table but I think ill leave that to another day. 6 is the most as that will cover 2 halfs of my tables so I have no room for a 7th.
Won 5 buy ins, happy with that. Might play later, maybe even an mtt as I havnt played once since the super roller.
Duecescracked memebership runs out today, its $129 for 6 months, or $30 a month. It works out at like £5 a week so 1/2 a buy in. Im worried if I go for 6 months that I might stop playing and it will be wasted, iv stayed commited a long time now but im just unsure. Anyone else have a long memebership to a training site like that??
RE: training sites - I'd just sign up for a free trial and then download every single video I could during the free trial, then you've got them all and can watch them when you want after the trial is over. But then I'm a nit
Great to see you've withdrawn £195 and still have £450 left, that means your £250 up and you've only had this running for what like 2 months? I know it's not life changing but it's pretty good considering you're only playing 10NL and are still in the process of learning.
Keep on like that and you'll easily be able to withdraw the other £200 and then you're freerolling
hey buddy good going with the bankroll your doing great,also great you have withdrew £195 and you are still more than comfortable to play at that level.I normally do something similar I withdraw a chunk of my roll every month just pay for bits and bobs and also to treat myself and the family and keep minimum 50 bi`s for my level playing atm, but really considering not withdrawing for a couple months and take a proper shot at 50nl see what happens.
ul with that hand with me just a cooler hu plus does not help I was being really aggro all game.
also was thinking of renewing my membership wae deucescracked think I`m just going to do the $30 a month because don`t think I will use it consistantly for 6mths.
RE: training sites - I'd just sign up for a free trial and then download every single video I could during the free trial, then you've got them all and can watch them when you want after the trial is over. But then I'm a nit Great to see you've withdrawn £195 and still have £450 left, that means your £250 up and you've only had this running for what like 2 months? I know it's not life changing but it's pretty good considering you're only playing 10NL and are still in the process of learning. Keep on like that and you'll easily be able to withdraw the other £200 and then you're freerolling Posted by Lambert180
that's very nitty, iv used all my trials for all training sites I think its a reasonable price, I just would rather have 3 months , but they don't do that. Yeah 6 weeks I starts £175 i think when i started so made an amount i have to be happy with. Yeah its not life changing but it helps me learn a lot playing so much. I think i have to prove to myself that im good enough to move up anyways so i don't mind 10nl for now. Yeah when the other £205 is withdrawn it will be happy days.....then i think i wont withdraw for a while and just build for 20nl+.......would help to bink a tourney tho!
hey buddy good going with the bankroll your doing great,also great you have withdrew £195 and you are still more than comfortable to play at that level.I normally do something similar I withdraw a chunk of my roll every month just pay for bits and bobs and also to treat myself and the family and keep minimum 50 bi`s for my level playing atm, but really considering not withdrawing for a couple months and take a proper shot at 50nl see what happens. ul with that hand with me just a cooler hu plus does not help I was being really aggro all game. also was thinking of renewing my membership wae deucescracked think I`m just going to do the $30 a month because don`t think I will use it consistantly for 6mths. Posted by liamboi11
cheers liam, yeah i think its good to withdraw its hard to keep dedicated especially now its hot and summer so its nice to just see what you've worked for. Yeah a roll for 50nl would be nice for you, havnt seen many BR diarys above 30+ and that's only lambert so will be interesting to see how it goes for you, good luck!
Yeah no worries it was a standard hand WP mate. Exactly that's what im worried about, i might see if someone on here wants to go halfs or something, id prefer that. If your interested PM, if not im sure someone wants to use the site but cant afford it.
Played for 2 hours in the evening, went fine run fairly good. Had AA vs QQ for just over full stacks and a few other little hands, was fun playing different players to the morning maybe ill have to have a few more afternoon sessions.
Might take the morning off and play in the evening as iv played mostly all day today and feel shattered. Played a £1.90? sat for the new tourney tonight but didn't make it into the places. Made 2 buy ins in the evening....every little helps.
Wanted to post a hand but i cant get history to come up, this site isn't working properly lately.
Had my usual downfall after a good day, lost 4.3 buy ins so im only 2.6 up for yesterday and todays hard work. Im more embarrassed tbh then anything, I got a lot of bad luck as usual today but my play was worse so I don't care, like I say every player on here gets bad luck at some point, but the way im dealing with it atm is making me a losing player when I run bad. I just get so frustrated, it come a cold deck about 3/4 times and my opponents still sucked out. Just makes me think that I lose my stack when that happens, so why don't u? it just doesn't seem fair and I need to find a way that it can happen and I can deal with it.
Like I said I played bad anyway, I literally had tables of calling stations and fish, and I like being aggressive and it wasn't working because they was calling so much, I was also playing too wide a range. Im not convinced sit tight and play fit or fold is the ultimate way to exploit this player type.....but then I don't no what is another method. SOOOOO frustrating after yesterday I have an awful day like today. really wanted to get to the £500 mark today
Don't no if ill play later I feel tired of poker, not sure why I cant play a lot of poker continuously day after day, maybe I need to fine a way to refresh myself when imnot playing.
Balance : £426
Day: -£4.3 (£43)
1) What do you think of shoving on the turn to his min raise, is a flat better? I think this is the best move as a lot of his drawing hands will call.
Update
Had my usual downfall after a good day, lost 4.3 buy ins so im only 2.6 up for yesterday and todays hard work. Im more embarrassed tbh then anything, I got a lot of bad luck as usual today but my play was worse so I don't care, like I say every player on here gets bad luck at some point, but the way im dealing with it atm is making me a losing player when I run bad. I just get so frustrated, it come a cold deck about 3/4 times and my opponents still sucked out. Just makes me think that I lose my stack when that happens, so why don't u? it just doesn't seem fair and I need to find a way that it can happen and I can deal with it.
Like I said I played bad anyway, I literally had tables of calling stations and fish, and I like being aggressive and it wasn't working because they was calling so much, I was also playing too wide a range. Im not convinced sit tight and play fit or fold is the ultimate way to exploit this player type.....but then I don't no what is another method. SOOOOO frustrating after yesterday I have an awful day like today. really wanted to get to the £500 mark today
Don't no if ill play later I feel tired of poker, not sure why I cant play a lot of poker continuously day after day, maybe I need to fine a way to refresh myself when imnot playing.
Balance : £426
Day: -£4.3 (£43)
1)
Update
Had my usual downfall after a good day, lost 4.3 buy ins so im only 2.6 up for yesterday and todays hard work. Im more embarrassed tbh then anything, I got a lot of bad luck as usual today but my play was worse so I don't care, like I say every player on here gets bad luck at some point, but the way im dealing with it atm is making me a losing player when I run bad. I just get so frustrated, it come a cold deck about 3/4 times and my opponents still sucked out. Just makes me think that I lose my stack when that happens, so why don't u? it just doesn't seem fair and I need to find a way that it can happen and I can deal with it.
Like I said I played bad anyway, I literally had tables of calling stations and fish, and I like being aggressive and it wasn't working because they was calling so much, I was also playing too wide a range. Im not convinced sit tight and play fit or fold is the ultimate way to exploit this player type.....but then I don't no what is another method. SOOOOO frustrating after yesterday I have an awful day like today. really wanted to get to the £500 mark today
Don't no if ill play later I feel tired of poker, not sure why I cant play a lot of poker continuously day after day, maybe I need to fine a way to refresh myself when imnot playing.
Have 5 hands below I would like some opinions on, thanks.
Balance : £426
Day: -£4.3 (£43)
1)
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
robbie1992
Small blind
£0.05
£0.05
£10.97
Bennmannn
Big blind
£0.10
£0.15
£5.70
Your hole cards
A
10
robbie1992
Raise
£0.25
£0.40
£10.72
Bennmannn
Call
£0.20
£0.60
£5.50
Flop
J
A
3
Bennmannn
Check
robbie1992
Bet
£0.30
£0.90
£10.42
Bennmannn
Call
£0.30
£1.20
£5.20
Turn
7
Bennmannn
Check
robbie1992
Bet
£1.20
£2.40
£9.22
Bennmannn
Raise
£2.40
£4.80
£2.80
robbie1992
All-in
£9.22
£14.02
£0.00
Bennmannn
All-in
£2.80
£16.82
£0.00
robbie1992
Unmatched bet
£5.22
£11.60
£5.22
robbie1992
Show
A
10
Bennmannn
Show
8
J
River
J
Bennmannn
Win
Three Jacks
£10.90
£10.90
Is a shove to his min raise on the turn the best move?
2 )
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
flower11
Small blind
£0.05
£0.05
£6.30
ericc1996
Big blind
£0.10
£0.15
£15.33
Your hole cards
A
Q
pokerdonk
Fold
robbie1992
Raise
£0.30
£0.45
£42.52
flower11
Call
£0.25
£0.70
£6.05
ericc1996
Call
£0.20
£0.90
£15.13
Flop
4
7
A
flower11
Check
ericc1996
Bet
£0.90
£1.80
£14.23
robbie1992
Call
£0.90
£2.70
£41.62
flower11
Fold
Turn
A
ericc1996
Bet
£2.70
£5.40
£11.53
robbie1992
Call
£2.70
£8.10
£38.92
River
2
ericc1996
All-in
£11.53
£19.63
£0.00
robbie1992
Call
£11.53
£31.16
£27.39
ericc1996
Show
2
A
robbie1992
Show
A
Q
ericc1996
Win
Full House, Aces and 2s
£29.76
£29.76
Happy against a complete fish? he had earlier stacked off for full stacks with bottom pair 2 kicker.
3)
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
flower11
Small blind
£0.05
£0.05
£23.37
GroundZero
Big blind
£0.10
£0.15
£8.57
changjai
Sit out
Your hole cards
10
J
eizey
Call
£0.10
£0.25
£5.87
robbie1992
Raise
£0.40
£0.65
£9.55
mebkorea
Fold
flower11
Call
£0.35
£1.00
£23.02
GroundZero
Fold
eizey
Call
£0.30
£1.30
£5.57
Flop
2
3
6
flower11
Check
eizey
Check
robbie1992
Bet
£0.70
£2.00
£8.85
flower11
Call
£0.70
£2.70
£22.32
eizey
Fold
Turn
6
flower11
Check
robbie1992
Check
River
A
flower11
Bet
£2.70
£5.40
£19.62
robbie1992
All-in
£8.85
£14.25
£0.00
flower11
Call
£6.15
£20.40
£13.47
flower11
Show
Q
5
robbie1992
Show
10
J
flower11
Win
Flush to the Ace
£19.00
£32.47
I actually think this is a mistake to shove the river ?
4)
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
luckoti
Small blind
£0.05
£0.05
£8.60
BigBudd_
Big blind
£0.10
£0.15
£16.93
toast1
Ante
£0.05
£0.20
£4.95
Your hole cards
J
J
robbie1992
Raise
£0.30
£0.50
£9.03
toast1
Call
£0.30
£0.80
£4.65
stressmum
Call
£0.30
£1.10
£5.83
easytiger1
Call
£0.30
£1.40
£8.60
luckoti
Fold
BigBudd_
Call
£0.20
£1.60
£16.73
Flop
4
Q
5
BigBudd_
Check
robbie1992
Bet
£0.80
£2.40
£8.23
toast1
Fold
stressmum
Call
£0.80
£3.20
£5.03
easytiger1
Fold
BigBudd_
Fold
Turn
K
robbie1992
Check
stressmum
Bet
£1.60
£4.80
£3.43
robbie1992
Call
£1.60
£6.40
£6.63
River
A
robbie1992
All-in
£6.63
£13.03
£0.00
stressmum
All-in
£3.43
£16.46
£0.00
robbie1992
Unmatched bet
£3.20
£13.26
£3.20
robbie1992
Show
J
J
stressmum
Show
K
Q
stressmum
Win
Two Pairs, Kings and Queens
£12.26
£12.26
Good run out to bluff or includes too many of his 2 pair combos ?
5)
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
BloomDog
Small blind
£0.05
£0.05
£9.85
GroundZero
Big blind
£0.10
£0.15
£4.22
Your hole cards
J
J
Matt5974
Call
£0.10
£0.25
£10.70
dotsmum
Fold
robbie1992
Raise
£0.40
£0.65
£13.66
PENFOLD87
Fold
BloomDog
Fold
GroundZero
Call
£0.30
£0.95
£3.92
Matt5974
Raise
£0.70
£1.65
£10.00
robbie1992
Call
£0.40
£2.05
£13.26
GroundZero
Call
£0.40
£2.45
£3.52
Flop
2
4
6
GroundZero
Check
Matt5974
Check
robbie1992
Bet
£1.40
£3.85
£11.86
GroundZero
Fold
Matt5974
Call
£1.40
£5.25
£8.60
Turn
4
Matt5974
Check
robbie1992
Check
River
Q
Matt5974
Bet
£5.25
£10.50
£3.35
robbie1992
Call
£5.25
£15.75
£6.61
Matt5974
Show
Q
J
robbie1992
Muck
J
J
Matt5974
Win
Two Pairs, Queens and 4s
£14.56
£17.91
Check on the turn is a mistake but for some reason I didn't think if he shoved it would be worse than JJ and my thoughts was to put control and let him stab at the pot on the river with his missed flush, didn't see how he has a Q, can I call a river bet that big?
Just so you know, looks like you've copied and pasted the writing 3 times in the above post.
1) I really hate the shove. When we get clicked back on the turn it's usually a sign of real strength and even if they are bluffing, shoving will just make them fold when we could let them bluff again on the river. You're really lucky to get called by a worse hand here imo. Unlucky that he hit, but yeah you're lucky you weren't behind anyway when you shoved and got a call.
2) I'd probably raise his donkbet on the flop, but once you've taken the flatting line I think you just have to play it exactly as you did and call down on this run out.
3) Played perfect imo, unlucky.
4) If I'm gonna bet into this many people I'd bet bigger. Calling the turn isn't great, sounds a bit nitty but it's probably a fold. If we do call then shoving the river is such a horrible option. We definitely have to just check/fold that river.
5) Again, multiway, wet flop, bet bigger, I'd go to about £1.95 on the flop. Barrel the turn, they aint gonna have many 4x hands in their range, but they're still gonna have tons of draws and 2 big overcards that we wanna get value from/charge them to draw. As played, think we have to fold river to a pot sized bet. It's just SOO rare you'll ever get an opponent going full pot at this level with a bluff and we can't really beat a single value hand.
Just so you know, looks like you've copied and pasted the writing 3 times in the above post. 1) I really hate the shove. When we get clicked back on the turn it's usually a sign of real strength and even if they are bluffing, shoving will just make them fold when we could let them bluff again on the river. You're really lucky to get called by a worse hand here imo. Unlucky that he hit, but yeah you're lucky you weren't behind anyway when you shoved and got a call. 2) I'd probably raise his donkbet on the flop, but once you've taken the flatting line I think you just have to play it exactly as you did and call down on this run out. 3) Played perfect imo, unlucky. 4) If I'm gonna bet into this many people I'd bet bigger. Calling the turn isn't great, sounds a bit nitty but it's probably a fold. If we do call then shoving the river is such a horrible option. We definitely have to just check/fold that river. 5) Again, multiway, wet flop, bet bigger, I'd go to about £1.95 on the flop. Barrel the turn, they aint gonna have many 4x hands in their range, but they're still gonna have tons of draws and 2 big overcards that we wanna get value from/charge them to draw. As played, think we have to fold river to a pot sized bet. It's just SOO rare you'll ever get an opponent going full pot at this level with a bluff and we can't really beat a single value hand. Posted by Lambert180
I know the software has been really annoying lately on my laptop didn't realise is had come out 3 times· I have 3 questions for hand 5, why would u bet bigger on a board with low cards that will be tough to be get from, I know fd call but don't see much else calling for a bigger bet on that flop. If I barrell turn and get shoved on what do we do? And do u never call the river given we was weak in turn and sorta under repped our hand?
Btw did you do the post given advice on how to do a graph because I want to do one to track how things are going but I don have a clue where to start.
I've just realised we're only 3way cos of the tiny 3bet pre but yeah...
It's 246dd so we're gonna get called by 77-TT whether we bet £1.40 or £1.95 so get the max, likewise we'll get called by FDs whichever size we choose so get max out of them. We'll also probably get called by A2-A6, AK, AQ maybe AJ/KQ (maybe worse) because they just think it's so unlikely we've hit that flop and they either have 2 big overs which might be good, a pair which might be good or a GS.
If we barrel turn and get shoved on I'd call cos we can easily get shoved on by draws and 77-TT, there are alot more hands we beat than we're losing to. We're basically losing to 22, 44, 66, A4 and QQ+ in terms of hands they're likely to have postflop.
We are under-repped but most opponents won't be thinking 'he looks weak so I'll take him off this with a bluff' so I'd want notes on the opponent to know they're capable of doing this as a bluff cos people very very rarely full pot the river as a bluff at 10NL. Pot sized river bets at low stakes are nearly always value, and we have to be right more than 1in3 times to make this a +EV call, I very much doubt he's bluffing here more than 1in3 times. And it does have to be literally a bluff cos I reckon he's checking (either to call or fold) with 77-JJ, he's not value betting a 6, so it's something that beats us or air imo. Even a lot of FD combos that have missed will be Qx and have just gone ahead.
For a graph, keep all your results in an excel spreadsheet, I can send you the one I use for my records if you want, then you can use Excel's Chart Wizard to create a graph.
I've just realised we're only 3way cos of the tiny 3bet pre but yeah... It's 246dd so we're gonna get called by 77-TT whether we bet £1.40 or £1.95 so get the max, likewise we'll get called by FDs whichever size we choose so get max out of them. We'll also probably get called by A2-A6, AK, AQ maybe AJ/KQ (maybe worse) because they just think it's so unlikely we've hit that flop and they either have 2 big overs which might be good, a pair which might be good or a GS. If we barrel turn and get shoved on I'd call cos we can easily get shoved on by draws and 77-TT, there are alot more hands we beat than we're losing to. We're basically losing to 22, 44, 66, A4 and QQ+ in terms of hands they're likely to have postflop. We are under-repped but most opponents won't be thinking 'he looks weak so I'll take him off this with a bluff' so I'd want notes on the opponent to know they're capable of doing this as a bluff cos people very very rarely full pot the river as a bluff at 10NL. Pot sized river bets at low stakes are nearly always value, and we have to be right more than 1in3 times to make this a +EV call, I very much doubt he's bluffing here more than 1in3 times. And it does have to be literally a bluff cos I reckon he's checking (either to call or fold) with 77-JJ, he's not value betting a 6, so it's something that beats us or air imo. Even a lot of FD combos that have missed will be Qx and have just gone ahead. For a graph, keep all your results in an excel spreadsheet, I can send you the one I use for my records if you want, then you can use Excel's Chart Wizard to create a graph. Posted by Lambert180
No tbh he was a good player so maybe I should fold but I feel like if I check the turn and fold the river I'm saying bluff at me, I agree the hands you said don't bet but will they turn those hands into a bluff when they see weakness on the turn?
Yes could u send them please, thanks Lambert. See I don't have excel I have Kingston I think it's called. Just want to know more about how I'm doing. Would like to know BB/100 but I don't no how to do any of this stuff, might ask in poker chat.
Well yeah maybe that's the case, although I'm not sure how many players really think enough or are good enough to put 2 and 2 together and think 'he's got a decent showdown hand like 88-JJ but will fold to pressure'
But I suggested we bet the turn anyway Then we save this problem cos he probably thinks urgh just c/f now.
I replied in your other thread about the spreadsheet.
Day complete, lost 2 more buy ins, so I worked really hard these last two day really wanted to do well put in a lot of volumne.....and one £6, abosultly pathetic im embarrassed to be writing this, yesterday was my best day and todays my worst. That's not good enough.
The mental stuff isn't going well, im sick of how I run, I could never get that luck back because I would never play the **** that most these guys play at 10nl. played the mini while playing 3 cash games, waste of time. Couldn't focus on that table and wouldn't even have a clue who was on it...couldn't name you one name, I wont be doing that again.
2nd session beats
fold round to me KK, rasiing war with sb and he has AA, what are the actual odds of that? button raises, I 3 bet in bb AKs, he had QQ all in pre, didn't get there. KK, bet flop and turn and cheked river to see my op hit his jack on river for a set.
Today was the most unenjoyable day to play, I really wanted a good day and im not even going to lie im disgusted at how today went, never been this disappointed in ages! feel shattered and got FA to show for it, aARGH!!!!!!!!!!
Balance: £406
Day: - 6.3 buy ins , cannot believe iv lost this much after yesterday
Assuming we know we have AA or KK so that is already a given, everytime we have AA then about 1in200 times, they'll have KK and vice versa if we have KK, then about 1in200 times they'll have AA.
Few mental things you need to work on as you already know.
Variance comes in tons of different ways, loads of ways people don't even realise. Every time you play AK and bet 3 streets on a K-high board and get called down by KQ, people don't think anything of it, they just think 'yeah that's standard, played that fine', they don't think, 'god wasn't I lucky to have him dominated pre and then he hits his dream flop so that he's happy to pay me off'.
Or variance can be flopping a set when they flop a nut flush draw and it's perfectly acceptable for them to get it in on the flop and lose. When that happens people are just like 'well I had a set, I did the right thing' and you did, but it's still good luck in your favour.
You won't get the luck 'they' have like getting it in with T4o pre and beating AK yeah cos you aint bad but that's a losing play and no matter how much luck they get, they won't win more than they lose. But you will get it in with standard spots like KK v AA and you'll win some of them, just like sometimes you'll have AA v KK and lose some of them.
Assuming we know we have AA or KK so that is already a given, everytime we have AA then about 1in200 times, they'll have KK and vice versa if we have KK, then about 1in200 times they'll have AA. Few mental things you need to work on as you already know. Variance comes in tons of different ways, loads of ways people don't even realise. Every time you play AK and bet 3 streets on a K-high board and get called down by KQ, people don't think anything of it, they just think 'yeah that's standard, played that fine', they don't think, 'god wasn't I lucky to have him dominated pre and then he hits his dream flop so that he's happy to pay me off'. Or variance can be flopping a set when they flop a nut flush draw and it's perfectly acceptable for them to get it in on the flop and lose. When that happens people are just like 'well I had a set, I did the right thing' and you did, but it's still good luck in your favour. You won't get the luck 'they' have like getting it in with T4o pre and beating AK yeah cos you aint bad but that's a losing play and no matter how much luck they get, they won't win more than they lose. But you will get it in with standard spots like KK v AA and you'll win some of them, just like sometimes you'll have AA v KK and lose some of them. Posted by Lambert180
What even in sb vs bb situation ?
Yeah mental game goes on a lot about "spotting good varience" and about how that can help, so instead of going over bad beats and feeling sorry for myself I might just look at spots where im fortunate. Just so frustrating because I woke up and was really optimistic and ready to put in a lot of work yesterday. I would have been disappointed to break even but to lose all the previous days winnings hurt lol I did play in tourney and a small sat aswell so maybe that was part of it. oh well, the BR goes on and todays a new day, the quicker I start adding to the br the quicker I will forget what happened yesterday.
Assuming we know we have AA or KK so that is already a given, everytime we have AA then about 1in200 times, they'll have KK and vice versa if we have KK, then about 1in200 times they'll have AA. Few mental things you need to work on as you already know. Variance comes in tons of different ways, loads of ways people don't even realise. Every time you play AK and bet 3 streets on a K-high board and get called down by KQ, people don't think anything of it, they just think 'yeah that's standard, played that fine', they don't think, 'god wasn't I lucky to have him dominated pre and then he hits his dream flop so that he's happy to pay me off'. Or variance can be flopping a set when they flop a nut flush draw and it's perfectly acceptable for them to get it in on the flop and lose. When that happens people are just like 'well I had a set, I did the right thing' and you did, but it's still good luck in your favour. You won't get the luck 'they' have like getting it in with T4o pre and beating AK yeah cos you aint bad but that's a losing play and no matter how much luck they get, they won't win more than they lose. But you will get it in with standard spots like KK v AA and you'll win some of them, just like sometimes you'll have AA v KK and lose some of them. Posted by Lambert180
lOST again (didn't mean that in caps but laptop doesn't want to write it small case) im not going to say anything as it make my diary boring. I cbb moaning and im sure you cant be bothered reading. Felt fed up again at the table, isn't really fun playing when your running bad. Think im going to withdraw all my BR and take my profit and try start a BR on 888 as I hate sky, the software is shocking and it keeps lagging. I love the forum and ill be gutted my diary has ended before I made a proper roll, but I was playing today and thought 2 days ago it was easy and you was beating every table you played on. Now I don't even no what im supposed to do, and I felt a feeling like I was in a rush and had no time to be patient.
Again too loose today, played well I think, but just too spewy and once again I couldn't adapt to having loose aggro players on my table. Does anyone fancy a Skype chat about stragety for those players anytime? if so PM me id be interested to discuss it.
What are the pros and cons for going to a different site? I don't think its possiable to stay on sky but theres a lot I will miss and im gutted my diary will end.
Im also going to post the hands I think were unlucky or whatever, im running bad and not dealing with it well so I don't no if im just saying "ahh unlucky bad beat" when actually its bad play, so ill let u judge. thanks.
BR: £371
Day: - 3.5 buy ins
The site isn't loading my hands, ill post them later instead. Any words of advice from others who had downswings will be much appreciated !!!
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Thanks guys, I had a good birthday, had lovely weather for it so was very lucky.
Feel like I can still play more so when its days I have nothing planned im going to try and put in as much volume as I can. Played for about 5 hours today, after 3 hours I had enough, was playing bad, felt tilted for some reason and was down on session I think. Also it was so humid and my chair is leather.....not a good mix im afaird.
Anyway I knew I had to keep going as today was a free day, and put my music on and suddenly I felt motivated again. Started to play some good poker imo, hit some nice cards, was playing players from 20nl I think aswell and I feel like I held my own against them, would like to know what they think. I was also involved in a massive 3 way pot where I lost 150bb, I had KK , I felt opponent had Aces but I once read in Harrington book, for everytime you fold KK because you think opponent AA, there be twice as many times you fold it and he shows QQ. So im fine with how the hand went. Ended up 2.5 buy ins up which again isn't amazing. I think my winrate is still low, what do you think??
But like I said I was struggling and down, so if I can make those days winning days then I have to be happy. Plus its sunny out !! so it makes it hard to be motivated.
Br: £635
Day: + 2.5 buy ins (£25)
2 biggest losing hands
As im writing this at 2 35pm im sure you don't need telling how the session went. Started off very well, was a few buyins up, then within a 15 minute spell I was around even again, and I really didn't deserve any. I got beat by 5 9 when I had aces, I hit a set of QQ only for my opponent to call a pot sized bet and hit his gutshot on the turn, I value betted flop and turn and shvoed river when I had KK as overpair....opponent had set of 88.
Then I was stupid and started tilting, was so annoyed at how bad I run that I was just playing awful. Its so annoying, I cant just do stupid things cause iv run bad, just shows yet again were going round in circles, as my mental game has obv gone backwards. I really thought I could hit the £700 mark, id been playing well and only winning a few buy ins every session.
Just feels like you can never make a good profit as bad beats are always going to ruin it. The fact is I hate my mental game is only good or bad based upon how im running.
I cbb to post any hands it takes ages and no one comments anyway.
I lost 4 buyins, so yesterday I payed 4 1/2 hours and won 2 1/2 when I desserved to win more and today I lose 4 even though I played well for most the session. Just so fed up with disappointing sessions. My Br was £595, I withdraw £195 as I wanted an achievement for the day. The achievement is iv paided back 1/2 my initial deposit. It will make no difference to me at all as I don't play tourneys that often, and im happy to try and comfortable multitable 5, then 6, then 7 up until 8 tables.....I want to do that at 10nl and no higher.
BR: £400
Day: -4 buy ins (-£40)
So after my withdrawal of £195 my balance sat at £400 at the start of the session, which is 40 buy ins for the level I play which im fine with. I didn't play yesterday as I have to go Gillingham every 3 weeks as part of my recovery so I took the little time I had to watch some vids on deucescracked and read the mental game of poker abit more, as im still struggling abit mentally when things arnt going to plan.
I played 4 hours today, most 5 tables but 3/4 at different stages due to low traffic. Played well, nothing much happened for first half of the session , won a few pots, lost a few, set of 7's to a 6 9 straight, and heads up against liamboi I lost AK vs AA, all in pre. So pretty standard. The 2nd half as I started to win I started to get more confident and there was a good range of different type of players on my table. I was tempted to add a 6th table but I think ill leave that to another day. 6 is the most as that will cover 2 halfs of my tables so I have no room for a 7th.
Won 5 buy ins, happy with that. Might play later, maybe even an mtt as I havnt played once since the super roller.
Duecescracked memebership runs out today, its $129 for 6 months, or $30 a month. It works out at like £5 a week so 1/2 a buy in. Im worried if I go for 6 months that I might stop playing and it will be wasted, iv stayed commited a long time now but im just unsure. Anyone else have a long memebership to a training site like that??
Balance : £450
Day + 5 buy ins (£50)
Great to see you've withdrawn £195 and still have £450 left, that means your £250 up and you've only had this running for what like 2 months? I know it's not life changing but it's pretty good considering you're only playing 10NL and are still in the process of learning.
Keep on like that and you'll easily be able to withdraw the other £200 and then you're freerolling
Yeah no worries it was a standard hand WP mate. Exactly that's what im worried about, i might see if someone on here wants to go halfs or something, id prefer that. If your interested PM, if not im sure someone wants to use the site but cant afford it.
Might take the morning off and play in the evening as iv played mostly all day today and feel shattered. Played a £1.90? sat for the new tourney tonight but didn't make it into the places. Made 2 buy ins in the evening....every little helps.
Wanted to post a hand but i cant get history to come up, this site isn't working properly lately.
Balance: £469
Day: + 6.9 buy ins (£69)
Update
Had my usual downfall after a good day, lost 4.3 buy ins so im only 2.6 up for yesterday and todays hard work. Im more embarrassed tbh then anything, I got a lot of bad luck as usual today but my play was worse so I don't care, like I say every player on here gets bad luck at some point, but the way im dealing with it atm is making me a losing player when I run bad. I just get so frustrated, it come a cold deck about 3/4 times and my opponents still sucked out. Just makes me think that I lose my stack when that happens, so why don't u? it just doesn't seem fair and I need to find a way that it can happen and I can deal with it.
Like I said I played bad anyway, I literally had tables of calling stations and fish, and I like being aggressive and it wasn't working because they was calling so much, I was also playing too wide a range. Im not convinced sit tight and play fit or fold is the ultimate way to exploit this player type.....but then I don't no what is another method. SOOOOO frustrating after yesterday I have an awful day like today. really wanted to get to the £500 mark today
Don't no if ill play later I feel tired of poker, not sure why I cant play a lot of poker continuously day after day, maybe I need to fine a way to refresh myself when imnot playing.
Balance : £426
Day: -£4.3 (£43)
1) What do you think of shoving on the turn to his min raise, is a flat better? I think this is the best move as a lot of his drawing hands will call.
Update
Had my usual downfall after a good day, lost 4.3 buy ins so im only 2.6 up for yesterday and todays hard work. Im more embarrassed tbh then anything, I got a lot of bad luck as usual today but my play was worse so I don't care, like I say every player on here gets bad luck at some point, but the way im dealing with it atm is making me a losing player when I run bad. I just get so frustrated, it come a cold deck about 3/4 times and my opponents still sucked out. Just makes me think that I lose my stack when that happens, so why don't u? it just doesn't seem fair and I need to find a way that it can happen and I can deal with it.
Like I said I played bad anyway, I literally had tables of calling stations and fish, and I like being aggressive and it wasn't working because they was calling so much, I was also playing too wide a range. Im not convinced sit tight and play fit or fold is the ultimate way to exploit this player type.....but then I don't no what is another method. SOOOOO frustrating after yesterday I have an awful day like today. really wanted to get to the £500 mark today
Don't no if ill play later I feel tired of poker, not sure why I cant play a lot of poker continuously day after day, maybe I need to fine a way to refresh myself when imnot playing.
Balance : £426
Day: -£4.3 (£43)
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Update
Had my usual downfall after a good day, lost 4.3 buy ins so im only 2.6 up for yesterday and todays hard work. Im more embarrassed tbh then anything, I got a lot of bad luck as usual today but my play was worse so I don't care, like I say every player on here gets bad luck at some point, but the way im dealing with it atm is making me a losing player when I run bad. I just get so frustrated, it come a cold deck about 3/4 times and my opponents still sucked out. Just makes me think that I lose my stack when that happens, so why don't u? it just doesn't seem fair and I need to find a way that it can happen and I can deal with it.
Like I said I played bad anyway, I literally had tables of calling stations and fish, and I like being aggressive and it wasn't working because they was calling so much, I was also playing too wide a range. Im not convinced sit tight and play fit or fold is the ultimate way to exploit this player type.....but then I don't no what is another method. SOOOOO frustrating after yesterday I have an awful day like today. really wanted to get to the £500 mark today
Don't no if ill play later I feel tired of poker, not sure why I cant play a lot of poker continuously day after day, maybe I need to fine a way to refresh myself when imnot playing.
Have 5 hands below I would like some opinions on, thanks.
Balance : £426
Day: -£4.3 (£43)
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1) I really hate the shove. When we get clicked back on the turn it's usually a sign of real strength and even if they are bluffing, shoving will just make them fold when we could let them bluff again on the river. You're really lucky to get called by a worse hand here imo. Unlucky that he hit, but yeah you're lucky you weren't behind anyway when you shoved and got a call.
2) I'd probably raise his donkbet on the flop, but once you've taken the flatting line I think you just have to play it exactly as you did and call down on this run out.
3) Played perfect imo, unlucky.
4) If I'm gonna bet into this many people I'd bet bigger. Calling the turn isn't great, sounds a bit nitty but it's probably a fold. If we do call then shoving the river is such a horrible option. We definitely have to just check/fold that river.
5) Again, multiway, wet flop, bet bigger, I'd go to about £1.95 on the flop. Barrel the turn, they aint gonna have many 4x hands in their range, but they're still gonna have tons of draws and 2 big overcards that we wanna get value from/charge them to draw. As played, think we have to fold river to a pot sized bet. It's just SOO rare you'll ever get an opponent going full pot at this level with a bluff and we can't really beat a single value hand.
It's 246dd so we're gonna get called by 77-TT whether we bet £1.40 or £1.95 so get the max, likewise we'll get called by FDs whichever size we choose so get max out of them. We'll also probably get called by A2-A6, AK, AQ maybe AJ/KQ (maybe worse) because they just think it's so unlikely we've hit that flop and they either have 2 big overs which might be good, a pair which might be good or a GS.
If we barrel turn and get shoved on I'd call cos we can easily get shoved on by draws and 77-TT, there are alot more hands we beat than we're losing to. We're basically losing to 22, 44, 66, A4 and QQ+ in terms of hands they're likely to have postflop.
We are under-repped but most opponents won't be thinking 'he looks weak so I'll take him off this with a bluff' so I'd want notes on the opponent to know they're capable of doing this as a bluff cos people very very rarely full pot the river as a bluff at 10NL. Pot sized river bets at low stakes are nearly always value, and we have to be right more than 1in3 times to make this a +EV call, I very much doubt he's bluffing here more than 1in3 times. And it does have to be literally a bluff cos I reckon he's checking (either to call or fold) with 77-JJ, he's not value betting a 6, so it's something that beats us or air imo. Even a lot of FD combos that have missed will be Qx and have just gone ahead.
For a graph, keep all your results in an excel spreadsheet, I can send you the one I use for my records if you want, then you can use Excel's Chart Wizard to create a graph.
But I suggested we bet the turn anyway
I replied in your other thread about the spreadsheet.
Day complete, lost 2 more buy ins, so I worked really hard these last two day really wanted to do well put in a lot of volumne.....and one £6, abosultly pathetic im embarrassed to be writing this, yesterday was my best day and todays my worst. That's not good enough.
The mental stuff isn't going well, im sick of how I run, I could never get that luck back because I would never play the **** that most these guys play at 10nl. played the mini while playing 3 cash games, waste of time. Couldn't focus on that table and wouldn't even have a clue who was on it...couldn't name you one name, I wont be doing that again.
2nd session beats
fold round to me KK, rasiing war with sb and he has AA, what are the actual odds of that?
button raises, I 3 bet in bb AKs, he had QQ all in pre, didn't get there.
KK, bet flop and turn and cheked river to see my op hit his jack on river for a set.
Today was the most unenjoyable day to play, I really wanted a good day and im not even going to lie im disgusted at how today went, never been this disappointed in ages! feel shattered and got FA to show for it, aARGH!!!!!!!!!!
Balance: £406
Day: - 6.3 buy ins , cannot believe iv lost this much after yesterday
Few mental things you need to work on as you already know.
Variance comes in tons of different ways, loads of ways people don't even realise. Every time you play AK and bet 3 streets on a K-high board and get called down by KQ, people don't think anything of it, they just think 'yeah that's standard, played that fine', they don't think, 'god wasn't I lucky to have him dominated pre and then he hits his dream flop so that he's happy to pay me off'.
Or variance can be flopping a set when they flop a nut flush draw and it's perfectly acceptable for them to get it in on the flop and lose. When that happens people are just like 'well I had a set, I did the right thing' and you did, but it's still good luck in your favour.
You won't get the luck 'they' have like getting it in with T4o pre and beating AK yeah cos you aint bad but that's a losing play and no matter how much luck they get, they won't win more than they lose. But you will get it in with standard spots like KK v AA and you'll win some of them, just like sometimes you'll have AA v KK and lose some of them.
Yeah mental game goes on a lot about "spotting good varience" and about how that can help, so instead of going over bad beats and feeling sorry for myself I might just look at spots where im fortunate. Just so frustrating because I woke up and was really optimistic and ready to put in a lot of work yesterday. I would have been disappointed to break even but to lose all the previous days winnings hurt lol I did play in tourney and a small sat aswell so maybe that was part of it. oh well, the BR goes on and todays a new day, the quicker I start adding to the br the quicker I will forget what happened yesterday.
lOST again (didn't mean that in caps but laptop doesn't want to write it small case) im not going to say anything as it make my diary boring. I cbb moaning and im sure you cant be bothered reading. Felt fed up again at the table, isn't really fun playing when your running bad. Think im going to withdraw all my BR and take my profit and try start a BR on 888 as I hate sky, the software is shocking and it keeps lagging. I love the forum and ill be gutted my diary has ended before I made a proper roll, but I was playing today and thought 2 days ago it was easy and you was beating every table you played on. Now I don't even no what im supposed to do, and I felt a feeling like I was in a rush and had no time to be patient.
Again too loose today, played well I think, but just too spewy and once again I couldn't adapt to having loose aggro players on my table. Does anyone fancy a Skype chat about stragety for those players anytime? if so PM me id be interested to discuss it.
What are the pros and cons for going to a different site? I don't think its possiable to stay on sky but theres a lot I will miss and im gutted my diary will end.
Im also going to post the hands I think were unlucky or whatever, im running bad and not dealing with it well so I don't no if im just saying "ahh unlucky bad beat" when actually its bad play, so ill let u judge. thanks.
BR: £371
Day: - 3.5 buy ins
The site isn't loading my hands, ill post them later instead. Any words of advice from others who had downswings will be much appreciated !!!