New thread started, if you want in, please leave a message there. Any more takers? Ploppers 100 Club (so far) Macacgirl1 Vespapx Chris Mc Churchy18 Enut Gerardirl Pompeynic Glenelg Phantom66 Geldy Posted by Macacgirl1
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Sorry, but there is an upper age limit, & you are way too old. Maybe there could be a special prize for "Best OAP?" Posted by Tikay10
Your only saying that because I pinched a wheel off your zimmer frame.
Oddly, I'm really happy with how I am playing at the moment. Made a few mistakes, sure, but in 107 games over 3 sessions thats inevitable.
We can delude ourselves into thinking "it's just vartiance", but I think it is. We shall see.
One night last week I won 14 games from 15, & never played particularly well - the cards just fell nicely, & my hands held up. The last 3 nights, I've been getting it in good almost every time, & still coming out bad. We get 2 "shots" in a PLO8 showdown, the high & the low, so if we have, say, A-K-2-3 v A-Q 2-4 we need to be really unlucky to lose both, but thats been happening.
I had a lovely Combo (Hi & Low) hand yesterday & bet all the way, even though I was still only drawing. My man called me with a near identical hand., but pinged his dangler!We can BET with air, but it makes no sense to CALL with air, so those ones sting a bit. But we WANT those bad calls, so I don't mind when they hit.
I was actually £70 in the hole at one stage last night, then found a bit of form & pulled almost all of it back, but thern I lost the last 2 games (£11 & £5) which would have got me all square on the night. At one stage I was losing the £5 games by 9-1!
Fun times, & I'm really loving the challenge of beating (or not....) this lovely game.
Nice atmo on all the tables last night, no bad blood, no moany-woany stuff, lovely.
Amazing how, on the whole, PLO8 players accept horrendous bad beats without saying a word, they just get how poker works. You rarely see any stuff from the PLO8 crew in the "Bad Beat" board, they just get on with it. Proper poker players.
There is one lovely chap - real nice guy - but he does not quite understand how PLO or PLO8 differ from NLH, in that he gets caught, time after time, with the "under" Full House & gets bust.
If we are 3 way, & the board pairs, there is a GOOD chance that 2 players have the full house, & yet he can't grasp this.
"Typical Sky Poker, TWO full houses in one hand".
But it's absolutely standard.
And no, it's hard to fold the Under House, it MAY be good, but generally, the betting should give us a clue, & if we have the bad house, just flat, we don't HAVE to re-shove.
I'd love to meet him, or talk to him, to help him understand this, as it does spoil his enjoyment.
Hi tikay and all other plo8 players, having a little practice on plo8, so heres a few hands from the first game? just curious, if I should be playing these or not or some that im folding too.
this was the exit hand, I figured im calling the 2 pair, that I have, but with the pot and what was left behind I shove hopefully too take it down right there.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
eon1961
Small blind
100.00
100.00
2231.25
avonmum
Big blind
200.00
300.00
2371.25
Your hole cards
J
A
5
3
Chris_Mc
Call
200.00
500.00
1857.50
Rigoletto
Fold
gerardirl
Fold
eon1961
Fold
avonmum
Check
Flop
J
5
A
avonmum
Bet
500.00
1000.00
1871.25
Chris_Mc
All-in
1857.50
2857.50
0.00
avonmum
Call
1357.50
4215.00
513.75
avonmum
Show
Q
2
Q
4
Chris_Mc
Show
J
A
5
3
Turn
9
River
Q
avonmum
Win high
Flush to the Ace
4215.00
4728.75
No qualifying low hand
should I be in this? and should I be calling if I shoul rather than fold?
In the hand v me, I had trip 3s and low outs so good fold there. Personally Id have raised preflop in the hand you lost v avon. He is a very aggressive player so best to put him under pressure from the go imo. It was an agressive game so personally i fight fire with fire in these games otherwise they will raise you everytime.
You played it pretty much spot on though from what i could see.
Just from the small bit ive seen i think you will be a breaking even or profitable player very soon. (if you arent already!)
The real experts are probably sleeping off a hang over somewhere so i will throw in my tuppence worth, and hopefully when my analysis is shown to be totally inadequate, I will learn something
hand 1.i made this mistake a lot when i started, look more at what you can improve rather than what you have, if improvements to your hand can also potentially improve your opponent then proceed very cautiously- your oppo has a flush draw and a nut low draw, you have 2 pr, but only a very opptimistic low so your only real improvement is to pair the board.
(also from experience in plo8, not very often these ploppers fold once they commit 1/3 stack like that on the flop ;-))
hand 2. definitely playable, but onviously no 'low' , as played IMO is fine, defo a fold all you have is a pr, overcards and a potential back door flush (sounds enough for me in a NLHE B/H lol) but your oppos range is going to potentially cover you and have a low draw, you are risking a lot for probably 1/2 pot at best.
hand 3. you have flopped the World, double gut shot straight, 2nd nut low (only an A3 combo is beating you)its a green light GII
hand 4. I think its playable (with caution), better double suited, but certainly worth seeing a flop in position. As played is fine in my opinion, doubt rigolletto is betting nearly a 3rd of his stack with air, of course you could just repot and hope for the best ;-))
Looking forward to some of the real ploppers critiqueing Chris's original post and my analysis........be kind please I'm new.
Ger is right Chris, you'll do OK I think. Only mistake was your exit hand really. If you decide your hand there/any hand, is good enough to play (once the blind levels have jumped a bit) then it should be good enough to raise with imo. Case in point there, if you'd raised, you'd have almost certainly nicked the blinds, if someone had come over the top, you could still get away (if you thought your hand wasn't good enough) and live to fight another hand. Good folds in other hands. Ger is right too, lots of good players, lots of lunatic players too! So the game is hard to beat, but that's why we play it I think.
In the hand v me, I had trip 3s and low outs so good fold there. Personally Id have raised preflop in the hand you lost v avon. He is a very aggressive player so best to put him under pressure from the go imo. It was an agressive game so personally i fight fire with fire in these games otherwise they will raise you everytime. You played it pretty much spot on though from what i could see. Just from the small bit ive seen i think you will be a breaking even or profitable player very soon. (if you arent already!) Standard is tough though alot of good players. Good luck Ger Posted by gerardirl
Ha Ger
Our post crossed, you would be one of the people I consider experts....so no rub down intended LOL
Thought you would have something nice in that hand, what do you make of my thoughts on the other hands?
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I'd best get up to date on my Daily Numbers, not done them for 3 days.
Look away now, ugly stuff, am in the midst of a proper full blown downswong.
We go UP
We go DOWN
We go UP
We go DOWN
Hope there is plenty of red ink in the cartridge.......
21st October.
Played 31
£3 P18, W10 L8
£5.50 P10 W6, L4
£11 P3 W1 L2
Won/Lost £4.70
PROFIT/LOSS per game = £0.15
October, % of Games Won
£3.30, 113 from 193 = 59%
£5.50, 59 from 105 = 56%
£11, 19 from 29 - 66%
Played 326, W191 L135 (59%)
October Overall PROFIT/LOSS £139.00
PROFIT/LOSS per game = £0.43
Account Balance £1,389.70
23rd October.
Played 39
£3 P19, W6 L13
£5.50 P15 W7, L8
£11 P5 W3 L2
Won/Lost £34.20
PROFIT/LOSS per game = £0.88
October, % of Games Won
£3.30, 119 from 212 = 56%
£5.50, 66 from 120 = 55%
£11, 22 from 34 - 65%
Played 365, W207 L158 (57%)
October Overall PROFIT/LOSS £104.80
PROFIT/LOSS per game = £0.29
Account Balance £1,355.50
24th October.
Played 37
£3 P15, W7 L8
£5.50 P15 W5, L10
£11 P7 W4 L3
Won/Lost £33.00
PROFIT/LOSS per game = £0.89
October, % of Games Won
£3.30, 126 from 227 = 55%
£5.50, 71 from 135 = 53%
£11.00 26 from 41 - 63%
Played 402, W223 L179 (55%)
October Overall PROFIT/LOSS £71.80
PROFIT/LOSS per game = £0.18
Account Balance £1,318.50
£70 went south in 3 sessions, marv.
Oddly, I'm really happy with how I am playing at the moment. Made a few mistakes, sure, but in 107 games over 3 sessions thats inevitable.
We can delude ourselves into thinking "it's just vartiance", but I think it is. We shall see.
One night last week I won 14 games from 15, & never played particularly well - the cards just fell nicely, & my hands held up.
The last 3 nights, I've been getting it in good almost every time, & still coming out bad. We get 2 "shots" in a PLO8 showdown, the high & the low, so if we have, say, A-K-2-3 v A-Q 2-4 we need to be really unlucky to lose both, but thats been happening.
I had a lovely Combo (Hi & Low) hand yesterday & bet all the way, even though I was still only drawing. My man called me with a near identical hand., but pinged his dangler!We can BET with air, but it makes no sense to CALL with air, so those ones sting a bit. But we WANT those bad calls, so I don't mind when they hit.
I was actually £70 in the hole at one stage last night, then found a bit of form & pulled almost all of it back, but thern I lost the last 2 games (£11 & £5) which would have got me all square on the night. At one stage I was losing the £5 games by 9-1!
Fun times, & I'm really loving the challenge of beating (or not....) this lovely game.
Nice atmo on all the tables last night, no bad blood, no moany-woany stuff, lovely.
Amazing how, on the whole, PLO8 players accept horrendous bad beats without saying a word, they just get how poker works. You rarely see any stuff from the PLO8 crew in the "Bad Beat" board, they just get on with it. Proper poker players.
There is one lovely chap - real nice guy - but he does not quite understand how PLO or PLO8 differ from NLH, in that he gets caught, time after time, with the "under" Full House & gets bust.
If we are 3 way, & the board pairs, there is a GOOD chance that 2 players have the full house, & yet he can't grasp this.
"Typical Sky Poker, TWO full houses in one hand".
But it's absolutely standard.
And no, it's hard to fold the Under House, it MAY be good, but generally, the betting should give us a clue, & if we have the bad house, just flat, we don't HAVE to re-shove.
I'd love to meet him, or talk to him, to help him understand this, as it does spoil his enjoyment.
this was the exit hand, I figured im calling the 2 pair, that I have, but with the pot and what was left behind I shove hopefully too take it down right there.
Good folds in other hands.
Ger is right too, lots of good players, lots of lunatic players too! So the game is hard to beat, but that's why we play it I think.