Shows how hard it is to beat the rake at DYMs. Posted by FCHD
Yup, but it has to be part of the equation, so it does not trouble me.
At level stakes though, on the £5.50 & £11 jobbies, I need to win more than 55% of them, anything above that is clear profit, & then any Reward Points income counts as a Bonus. I received just shy of £50 for October, & I'm looking to get at least £25 this month, minimum.
The Double Rewards Week helped me in October, of course, so this month its a lot harder, but I am going to at least try for 3,000+ Points, which would be £45+.
2,500 points is more likely though. I'm averaging just over 100 points per day at present, & hope to have a few big sessions this weekend of 150 each. We'll see.
Did you enjoy your PLO8 DYM's last night? Plenty of players limp/calling, I'm guessing?
Yes, I enjoyed them. I only played 4 (as I was watching the live show and had one or two other things to do), the first one played really free and loose, the middle two played much the same as the £2.25 ones, and the last one went on for ages, Over three quarters of an hour, I think the blinds got to 600/1200 (I was out by then), which four handed meant the *average* stack was 2.5BB if I'm doing my maths correctly. Small stacks were hitting almost every time, and there was a lot (and I would say 80% or more) of chopped pots.
One player whom I played on two tables really improved their game from the first game to the second. Good for the game, not good for my winning percentage.
Will do a few more tonight, always glad to help spread the word
Interesting session yesterday, could never quite get my nose in front.
I deffo had some concentration issues, not an excuse, but thats the way it was.
I'd set off from home at 0430, driven 4 hours to Leeds, had 3 hours of Meetings about UKPC, then immediately driven the 4 hours back. My car is nice & comfy, & driving is not stressy, but 11 hours is a goodly time to be concentrating even before I began my poker session, especially at my age.
I'm dieting, too, so never ate anything until 6pm, which does not help.
Was watching the Dog racing on Sky Sports, too, then a Kennedy Documentary.
These things all take the edge off concentration.
My bad totally, daft really, but I should have had a night off maybe, but it does relax me so to play, sitting there nice & quietly on my own.
Twice during the evening an opponent complained at how long the games were taking. 2 players had 9,500 between them, & another chap & myself were clinging on, trying to find the right spot to shove, so we were passing everything, even the SB, until we found something, whilst the other two deep-stacked lads were both limping into every hand, so as to be 2 handed v us when either of us shoved. So one of them said "tikay is trying to win by default, he's just passing, but its making the game last too long".
Sorry 'bout that mate......
Later, exact repeat, & the Big Stack was really getting cross with the two shorties, one of whom was me. Eventually I found my spot, & got it in, & busted the other shortie. At which Mr Chunter says "there you go, thats how you should play the game".
Much appreciated, bud, much appreciated......
Anyway, we got away with it for a £4 loss, quite pleased all things considered. No excuses today, though.....
I plan to make a further small tweak to my game today, as I'm still not happy with a 60% Win Rate (Games), & I need to add a few % points to that.
LOT of games in the PLO8 DYM Lobby last night, as the £0.60 & £1.15 games were added, & it was a proper treat to see that Lobby so busy, I was chuffed to bits.
It had no effect on the £5.50 or £11 games, either, I finished my 21 games in around 4 hours, so that's good, too.
Yes, I enjoyed them. I only played 4 (as I was watching the live show and had one or two other things to do), the first one played really free and loose, the middle two played much the same as the £2.25 ones, and the last one went on for ages, Over three quarters of an hour, I think the blinds got to 600/1200 (I was out by then), which four handed meant the *average* stack was 2.5BB if I'm doing my maths correctly. Small stacks were hitting almost every time, and there was a lot (and I would say 80% or more) of chopped pots. One player whom I played on two tables really improved their game from the first game to the second. Good for the game, not good for my winning percentage. Will do a few more tonight, always glad to help spread the word Posted by FCHD
Wow, rarely do they reach that Level, I think 500-1,000 is the most I've seen. But a 2.5 or 3BB Average is not unusual at 300-600 or 400-800 when 5 or 6 handed.
Playing with a 3BB stack is quite interesting, & most unlike any other form of poker.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Wow, rarely do they reach that Level, I think 500-1,000 is the most I've seen. But a 2.5 or 3BB Average is not unusual at 300-600 or 400-800 when 5 or 6 handed. Playing with a 3BB stack is quite interesting, & most unlike any other form of poker. Amazingly, some folks still limp at that stage. Posted by Tikay10
And fold to a raise?
Nothing wrong with that. Still got 2 bigs to play with
I don't post here often but do read pretty much all your updates. I would like to get more into PLO in the near future... think I'll leave PLO8 til I have a good grasp of PLO though... one game at a time and PLO is the one I know more about at the mo
Another fun evening, largely because it was all against the wind, & I could not seem to get a run of wins going, I started W-W-L-L-W-W-L-L, then I dug a hole by losing 3 on a row. In an odd way, I rather enjoy it when I have to really struggle.
Eventually, I found some form, & won 6 of the last 7 I played, including the sole £11er that ran all everning, & that got me over the line with a bit to spare.
Was a bit cross with myself for not one, but TWO misclicks, when I was not concentrating properly. One cost me a £5.50 win, the other I rather luckily got away with, when I somehow managed to hit a low with some spanners, against a top player who had Raised with the goods & had been a bit shocked when he saw my hand. Not as shocked as I was when I realised what I had done! The Chat Box suddenly came alive, as they know what hands I generally turn up with at Showdown, & this did not fit at all. Whoops. Cheap advertising, I suppose....
The Site seemed unusually quiet last night, & there were far less DYM's going at £5.50 & £11 than usual, so I often found myself one-Tabling, which is tough on the concentration, I need 2 or 3 minimum to play optimally & stop my eyes straying to poker forums, TV Documentaries, allotment dreams, & Concrete Society Newsletters. The new £0.60 & £1.15 ones seemed to be going well though, maybe because there was a glitch which appeared to give extra Reward Points!
I really hope there is more traffic tonight, & for the rest of the week, as I fell a little short of the "Games Played" Target last night, which I need for Reward Points.
I had a lovely surprise when I finished the session though - my Balance had popped its head above £400 for the first time since the Challenge began with £200. I have no doubt it will re-visit the 300's very soon again, though.....
A word at this time to put my "Challenge" into perspective - have you seen the amazing Challenge that GaryQQQ has just completed? In all the years I've been in poker, & on poker Forums, I've never seen anything as impressive. I know a lot of folks swoon at the thought of Tom Dwan or Phil Ivey, playing for eye-popping numbers, but it cuts no ice with me, & it is very rarely all their own money, often none of it is. It means nothing to me, they are not my "heroes" & never will be. What GaryQQQ did far exceeds any of that stuff, it really does. There is no such thing in my eyes as a "hero" in poker, that is such a nonsense term in that context, but if there were, it'd be chaps like Gary. Well done him.
Very impressive winrate for DYMs Tikay, wp. I don't post here often but do read pretty much all your updates. I would like to get more into PLO in the near future... think I'll leave PLO8 til I have a good grasp of PLO though... one game at a time and PLO is the one I know more about at the mo Posted by Lambert180
Thanks Paul.
It needs to be 55% to cover Reg Fees, so it is not that good, but it does the job. I am determined to improve that by a couple of % points though, I'm tweaking a few things. 60% or 61% would be perfect, over a sustained period, it would mean £25 or £30 per day profit (on average) & that'd do me nicely. Still, its easy to talk a good game, I now need to go do it!
Well you're not far off a 60% winrate which is a like 9% ROI if the rake is 10%... you won't find that many people sustaining that kind of ROI in DYMs these days! I dunno, that's the case for NLHE DYMs anyway, maybe the edges can be bigger in PLO/PLO8
Well you're not far off a 60% winrate which is a like 9% ROI if the rake is 10%... you won't find that many people sustaining that kind of ROI in DYMs these days! I dunno, that's the case for NLHE DYMs anyway, maybe the edges can be bigger in PLO/PLO8 Always good to strive for more though. Posted by Lambert180
Yes, I guess it could be viewed that way, though the sample size is a bit small. But PLO8 DYM's are ultra low-variance (compared to "normal" poker) so I'd be very surprised & disappointed if the long-term numbers were much different.
I genuinely enjoy it very much, & if I thought I could earn an average of £25 per day whilst still working, the temptation to play these full-time when I retire (or get retired) is really tempting. Just think, no hassle, just play poker all day? Ooohhhhhhh....
I did retire one before, in 2003 I think. That went well.....
How do you monitor how many DYMs have you played/won every night Tikay? For the my account section with the latest transactions? Posted by DimTzar
go to sharkscope.com, and type in your username for sky - it should find you. If you arent a member, you can still see the last 10 games you played by clicking on your name, then on the tournaments tab. For more than 10 games, you will need to become a member, or track them yourself... maybe thats what Tikay does?
It's good to get 7 £11 games during a single day, when only one ran the day before. Even better of course if you cash in 5 out of the 7! Posted by FCHD
Quite extraordinary.
For those who easly criticise Poker Sites for not scheduling stuff they want, it's worth saying that these days, site traffic can be forecasted with remarkable accuracy, taking into account weather, major sporting events on TV, time of year, rival or home Promotions, da de da.
Although it is only on a micro-basis, I play these DyM's every night, & so have a fair feel for how many will run at each level.
For example, at the £11 Level.....
Sunday - 1 all day.
Monday - 4
Tuesday - 4
Wednesday - 1
Thursday - 7
I doubt I've ever seen 7 @ £11 (PLO8) in a single 4 hour session, so why all of a sudden did that happen last night? Site traffic last night was normal for a November Thursday, nothing out of line.
And yes, it definitely skewed my results, winning 5 out of the 7. Just as well, too.
A peculiar but interesting session last night, with some drama, umbrage, & CC duties, combined with some very mixed results.
Lost the 1st game, then won 5 on the bounce, including 2 @ £11. Happy days, "time to quit" I'm thinking. Then it all went horribly but almost predictably wrong, & wheels were coming off in all directions.
I ended up losing 4 of the last 6, including the very last, so I could see my juicy profit gradually being eroded, with no time to repair the damage.
I lost a little concentration at times, too, as a chap had a "Customer Care" query, a perfectly reasonable question, but an open question, not a closed one, & that is kinda hard to field when 4-Tabling & Tables are popping up all over the place when it's me to act. I can't complain, people see me & so ask questions about this & that, but it does certainly mess a little with the focus & concentration.
A few other things went off, too.....more of which later, maybe.
Anyway, the mini-heater - more of a warm gentle breeze really - continues, but it's been some days since the ever fickle & often mardy Miss -Variance paid me a visit, so tonight we might just found ourselves back in the £300's.
Good night for Reward Points, too, racked up 135, about as many as I've ever had in a weeknight evening session of PLO8 DYM's, so I now have nearly £15 locked up for next month in Reward money.
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At level stakes though, on the £5.50 & £11 jobbies, I need to win more than 55% of them, anything above that is clear profit, & then any Reward Points income counts as a Bonus. I received just shy of £50 for October, & I'm looking to get at least £25 this month, minimum.
The Double Rewards Week helped me in October, of course, so this month its a lot harder, but I am going to at least try for 3,000+ Points, which would be £45+.
2,500 points is more likely though. I'm averaging just over 100 points per day at present, & hope to have a few big sessions this weekend of 150 each. We'll see.
Did you enjoy your PLO8 DYM's last night? Plenty of players limp/calling, I'm guessing?
One player whom I played on two tables really improved their game from the first game to the second. Good for the game, not good for my winning percentage.
Will do a few more tonight, always glad to help spread the word
Interesting session yesterday, could never quite get my nose in front.
I deffo had some concentration issues, not an excuse, but thats the way it was.
I'd set off from home at 0430, driven 4 hours to Leeds, had 3 hours of Meetings about UKPC, then immediately driven the 4 hours back. My car is nice & comfy, & driving is not stressy, but 11 hours is a goodly time to be concentrating even before I began my poker session, especially at my age.
I'm dieting, too, so never ate anything until 6pm, which does not help.
Was watching the Dog racing on Sky Sports, too, then a Kennedy Documentary.
These things all take the edge off concentration.
My bad totally, daft really, but I should have had a night off maybe, but it does relax me so to play, sitting there nice & quietly on my own.
Twice during the evening an opponent complained at how long the games were taking. 2 players had 9,500 between them, & another chap & myself were clinging on, trying to find the right spot to shove, so we were passing everything, even the SB, until we found something, whilst the other two deep-stacked lads were both limping into every hand, so as to be 2 handed v us when either of us shoved. So one of them said "tikay is trying to win by default, he's just passing, but its making the game last too long".
Sorry 'bout that mate......
Later, exact repeat, & the Big Stack was really getting cross with the two shorties, one of whom was me. Eventually I found my spot, & got it in, & busted the other shortie. At which Mr Chunter says "there you go, thats how you should play the game".
Much appreciated, bud, much appreciated......
Anyway, we got away with it for a £4 loss, quite pleased all things considered. No excuses today, though.....
I plan to make a further small tweak to my game today, as I'm still not happy with a 60% Win Rate (Games), & I need to add a few % points to that.
LOT of games in the PLO8 DYM Lobby last night, as the £0.60 & £1.15 games were added, & it was a proper treat to see that Lobby so busy, I was chuffed to bits.
It had no effect on the £5.50 or £11 games, either, I finished my 21 games in around 4 hours, so that's good, too.
Playing with a 3BB stack is quite interesting, & most unlike any other form of poker.
Amazingly, some folks still limp at that stage.
Wednesday 13th November
Played 19
Won 11
Lost 8
Split....
£2.25 - Played 0, won 0, Lost 0
£5.50 - Played 18, won 10, lost 8
£11.00 - Played 1, won 1, Lost 0
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £15.50
REWARD POINTS = 95
BANKROLL at close of Play = £402.14
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 1,336
November so far.....
Played 204
Won 121
Lost 83
Win-rate, November, 59.31%
Another fun evening, largely because it was all against the wind, & I could not seem to get a run of wins going, I started W-W-L-L-W-W-L-L, then I dug a hole by losing 3 on a row. In an odd way, I rather enjoy it when I have to really struggle.
Eventually, I found some form, & won 6 of the last 7 I played, including the sole £11er that ran all everning, & that got me over the line with a bit to spare.
Was a bit cross with myself for not one, but TWO misclicks, when I was not concentrating properly. One cost me a £5.50 win, the other I rather luckily got away with, when I somehow managed to hit a low with some spanners, against a top player who had Raised with the goods & had been a bit shocked when he saw my hand. Not as shocked as I was when I realised what I had done! The Chat Box suddenly came alive, as they know what hands I generally turn up with at Showdown, & this did not fit at all. Whoops. Cheap advertising, I suppose....
The Site seemed unusually quiet last night, & there were far less DYM's going at £5.50 & £11 than usual, so I often found myself one-Tabling, which is tough on the concentration, I need 2 or 3 minimum to play optimally & stop my eyes straying to poker forums, TV Documentaries, allotment dreams, & Concrete Society Newsletters. The new £0.60 & £1.15 ones seemed to be going well though, maybe because there was a glitch which appeared to give extra Reward Points!
I really hope there is more traffic tonight, & for the rest of the week, as I fell a little short of the "Games Played" Target last night, which I need for Reward Points.
I had a lovely surprise when I finished the session though - my Balance had popped its head above £400 for the first time since the Challenge began with £200. I have no doubt it will re-visit the 300's very soon again, though.....
A word at this time to put my "Challenge" into perspective - have you seen the amazing Challenge that GaryQQQ has just completed? In all the years I've been in poker, & on poker Forums, I've never seen anything as impressive. I know a lot of folks swoon at the thought of Tom Dwan or Phil Ivey, playing for eye-popping numbers, but it cuts no ice with me, & it is very rarely all their own money, often none of it is. It means nothing to me, they are not my "heroes" & never will be. What GaryQQQ did far exceeds any of that stuff, it really does. There is no such thing in my eyes as a "hero" in poker, that is such a nonsense term in that context, but if there were, it'd be chaps like Gary. Well done him.
It needs to be 55% to cover Reg Fees, so it is not that good, but it does the job. I am determined to improve that by a couple of % points though, I'm tweaking a few things. 60% or 61% would be perfect, over a sustained period, it would mean £25 or £30 per day profit (on average) & that'd do me nicely. Still, its easy to talk a good game, I now need to go do it!
I genuinely enjoy it very much, & if I thought I could earn an average of £25 per day whilst still working, the temptation to play these full-time when I retire (or get retired) is really tempting. Just think, no hassle, just play poker all day? Ooohhhhhhh....
I did retire one before, in 2003 I think. That went well.....
Thursday 14th November
Played 20
Won 11
Lost 9
Split....
£2.25 - Played 0, won 0, Lost 0
£5.50 - Played 13, won 6, lost 7
£11.00 - Played 7, won 5, Lost 2
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £11.50
REWARD POINTS = 135
BANKROLL at close of Play = £413.64
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 1,471
November so far.....
Played 224
Won 132
Lost 92
Win-rate, November, 58.92%
For those who easly criticise Poker Sites for not scheduling stuff they want, it's worth saying that these days, site traffic can be forecasted with remarkable accuracy, taking into account weather, major sporting events on TV, time of year, rival or home Promotions, da de da.
Although it is only on a micro-basis, I play these DyM's every night, & so have a fair feel for how many will run at each level.
For example, at the £11 Level.....
Sunday - 1 all day.
Monday - 4
Tuesday - 4
Wednesday - 1
Thursday - 7
I doubt I've ever seen 7 @ £11 (PLO8) in a single 4 hour session, so why all of a sudden did that happen last night? Site traffic last night was normal for a November Thursday, nothing out of line.
And yes, it definitely skewed my results, winning 5 out of the 7. Just as well, too.
A peculiar but interesting session last night, with some drama, umbrage, & CC duties, combined with some very mixed results.
Lost the 1st game, then won 5 on the bounce, including 2 @ £11. Happy days, "time to quit" I'm thinking. Then it all went horribly but almost predictably wrong, & wheels were coming off in all directions.
I ended up losing 4 of the last 6, including the very last, so I could see my juicy profit gradually being eroded, with no time to repair the damage.
I lost a little concentration at times, too, as a chap had a "Customer Care" query, a perfectly reasonable question, but an open question, not a closed one, & that is kinda hard to field when 4-Tabling & Tables are popping up all over the place when it's me to act. I can't complain, people see me & so ask questions about this & that, but it does certainly mess a little with the focus & concentration.
A few other things went off, too.....more of which later, maybe.
Anyway, the mini-heater - more of a warm gentle breeze really - continues, but it's been some days since the ever fickle & often mardy Miss -Variance paid me a visit, so tonight we might just found ourselves back in the £300's.
Good night for Reward Points, too, racked up 135, about as many as I've ever had in a weeknight evening session of PLO8 DYM's, so I now have nearly £15 locked up for next month in Reward money.
Most enjoyable.