Just started on the PLO8 DYMs a few days ago. First day wasn't so great, three wins from six. Second day was a bit better with five wins from seven Tonight was even better with five wins from six. Think i might make the effort to keep playing these. Not much money in them but as I am learning the game, it is best that way. Posted by Ice_Tiger
Yikes, impressive numbers!
I agree they are a great way to learn PLO8, at very low risk, as variance means it is hard to lose much more than half. We need to win around 55 out of every 100 to turn a profit.
We are not going to win a fortune, either, but risk & reward is an interesting equation, & here we have low risk & low reward, coupled with low downside, so our poker £ goes a very long way, more, I'd say, than in ANY other poker format.
More important - or to me, anyway - is the fun factor. Are you enjoying them?
Anyway, good to see you join the ever growing numbers playing these, & I hope that run continues.
Just a short session yesterday, after missing Thursday completely to to UKPC stuff, & doing the Show. The real life Diary gets in the way sometimes, but I was itching to play yesterday, so managed a couple of hours.
A 4-4 split did my batting average no good at all, but at least I turned a small profit.
Got hilariously coolered twice, but in a way, they were getoffable I suppose, so blame myself.
I had Potted it after 3 limpers with the quite reasonable A-3-J-J Double suited, & got a customer. The flop was J-J-2, not what I had been looking for, but I had the J, with A kicker, so we went to war. Matey Boy had THE only hand he could re-pot with, of course, 2-2-x-x, but I could not bring myself to believe him, I just thought he had a bare Jack. That'll teach me not to believe folks.
However, I got lucky because I only played one @ £11, & won that, so it skewed the £££'s in my favour, & we emerged with a small profit.
How could Matey Boy have a bare jack if you have two and the other two are on the board? P.S. Well done on the general upwards direction. Posted by FCHD
Easy - because I completely mangled the description of my hand. Good spot sir, & apologyments. I had to re-read my Post 4 times before I spotted the booboo.
I had, of course, A-A-J-3, not A-J-J-3. I'd never pot it (assuming normal stack dynamics, early doors) with A-J-J-3, that one goes in the muck, pre, every time.
Hopefully it makes sanse now! I've not Edited my Post, & won't, or this exchange will become nonsensical.
At least I now know someone reads my inane & endless drivel.
Just a short session yesterday, after missing Thursday completely to to UKPC stuff, & doing the Show. The real life Diary gets in the way sometimes, but I was itching to play yesterday, so managed a couple of hours. A 4-4 split did my batting average no good at all, but at least I turned a small profit. Got hilariously coolered twice, but in a way, they were getoffable I suppose, so blame myself. I had Potted it after 3 limpers with the quite reasonable A-3-J-J Double suited, & got a customer. The flop was J-J-2, not what I had been looking for, but I had the J, with A kicker, so we went to war. Matey Boy had THE only hand he could re-pot with, of course, 2-2-x-x, but I could not bring myself to believe him, I just thought he had a bare Jack. That'll teach me not to believe folks. However, I got lucky because I only played one @ £11, & won that, so it skewed the £££'s in my favour, & we emerged with a small profit. Next milestone, £375. Or £350. Posted by Tikay10
wow
before i realised it was a typo I jumped out of my bath with eager anticipation as to what new nugget of PLO8 strategy i was about to learn. Luckily i wasn't on skype at the time.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : wow before i realised it was a typo I jumped out of my bath with eager anticipation as to what new nugget of PLO8 strategy i was about to learn. Luckily i wasn't on skype at the time. Posted by GELDY
talking of strategy, quick PLO question for you Tikay (reg Omaha mtt not dym) running pretty low of chips, is my hand good enough to shove, if not what would you look for? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance jod67 Small blind 75.00 75.00 2096.25 LucyGucy Big blind 150.00 225.00 1225.00 Your hole cards https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif '); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="spade">K https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif '); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="diamond">Q https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif '); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="diamond">9 https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif '); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="heart">A focussss4 Fold sssnake719 Call 150.00 375.00 2868.75 GELDY All-in 675.00 1050.00 0.00 https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/hhdealer.gif '); background-color: transparent; background-position: 100% 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="dealer">tren51 Call 675.00 1725.00 2920.00 Posted by GELDY
I can't read that gelders, but if you re-Post the HH, or better still, just tell me stack sizes, blinds, & Hand, & table position, I'll let you know what I'd do.
Try & get the hand correct, I've seen some idiots post hands completely wrong.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : I can't read that gelders, but if you re-Post the HH, or better still, just tell me stack sizes, blinds, & Hand, & table position, I'll let you know what I'd do. Try & get the hand correct, I've seen some idiots post hands completely wrong. Posted by Tikay10
sorry about that - shame copy/paste hh is so iffy - had to open a different browser to get it to work - a waterproof one of course.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : sorry about that - shame copy/paste hh is so iffy - had to open a different browser to get it to work - a waterproof one of course. Posted by GELDY
With 4.5 Bigs, it is quite marginal at first sight, but once the Blinds go through, you'll be in mortal danger, especially if they soon go 200-400, so yes, I think I'd shove there.
You have some nut draws, plenty of paint, connected cards, & it is MUCH easier to shove with a marginal than call with a marginal, so we might pick up 30% of our stack from dead money in the middle. You can rarely be in terrible shape with that hand.
I'd not be interested in the outcome on THIS occasion, rather, what would happen in that identical spot 10,000 times. I'm pretty sure you'd be long-term profitable shoving there. If we do the correct things repeatedly, we'll be just fine, never mind the short-term.
You dried yourself properly? You know, under the arms, cracks & crevices, everywhere?
i think so, do you think i should use the hair dryer just to make sure?
thks for that TK, never really played much Omaha (unlike PLO8) so don't have a good feel for it yet. but given your exhortations i'm trying to play some more. i feared waiting for better would take too long and as you say the hand has a few nice characteristics. as you say the result is irrelevent, but at least the concept wasn't stupid.
talking of strategy, quick PLO question for you Tikay (reg Omaha mtt not dym) running pretty low of chips, is my hand good enough to shove, if not what would you look for? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance jod67 Small blind 75.00 75.00 2096.25 LucyGucy Big blind 150.00 225.00 1225.00 Your hole cards K Q 9 A focussss4 Fold sssnake719 Call 150.00 375.00 2868.75 GELDY All-in 675.00 1050.00 0.00 tren51 Call 675.00 1725.00 2920.00 Posted by GELDY
If i can be allowed to give an opinion on this. For me this is an auto shove hand. You have 4 out of the 6 hands nut drawing and no danglers in sight. With this short a stack you will not get a much better spot. Chances are you will get called but even against a dominating hand you are not in too bad a spot at all. Marginal decision if you were being asked to call with the hand but shoving is fine because there are always the times you wont be called to add to the liquidity of it.
i think so, do you think i should use the hair dryer just to make sure? thks for that TK, never really played much Omaha (unlike PLO8) so don't have a good feel for it yet. but given your exhortations i'm trying to play some more. i feared waiting for better would take too long and as you say the hand has a few nice characteristics. as you say the result is irrelevent, but at least the concept wasn't stupid. Posted by GELDY
The more I think about that spot, the better I like it as a shoving hand in PLO. We don't always get called, either, so if the shove gets through half the time, our odds improve by 50% over time.
In PLO8, I may answer differently, because, ideally, I want a two way hand in PL08, giving me two chances to win, or at least half. Also, in PLO8, odd as it may seem, but we are not FORCED to shove with 4.5 Bigs, & these "spots" come along far more frequently than in PLO.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : If i can be allowed to give an opinion on this. For me this is an auto shove hand. You have 4 out of the 6 hands nut drawing and no danglers in sight. With this short a stack you will not get a much better spot. Chances are you will get called but even against a dominating hand you are not in too bad a spot at all. Marginal decision if you were being asked to call with the hand but shoving is fine because there are always the times you wont be called to add to the liquidity of it. Posted by Talon
Yes, good point, it's rare we have a paint hand with no danglers, very rare, so another plus point.
This was PLO, of course, but we should all understand "danglers".
In PLO8, to me, danglers would be any 7,8 or 9, all of which are dreadful cards, really hand-killers. In PLO, any 4 paint hand, especially with nut draws, is almost a premium.
It's a hand that I would probably shove in a MTT but maybe pass in a DYM Posted by FCHD
Yes, because stack & format dynamics in a DYM are so much different. This especially applies if there is a shorter stack on the Table with 4 left (there usually is) & even more so if that player keeps limping from his 3 BB stack. And remarkably, many do, & we just KNOW this guy is at risk every single hand, so we can step aside & hope to win by default more often than not.
With 4 players left in a DYM, at, say, 200-400, the AVERAGE stack is only 7.5 Bigs, so normal rules don't apply.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Easy - because I completely mangled the description of my hand. Good spot sir, & apologyments. I had to re-read my Post 4 times before I spotted the booboo. I had, of course, A-A-J-3, not A-J-J-3. I'd never pot it (assuming normal stack dynamics, early doors) with A-J-J-3, that one goes in the muck, pre, every time. Hopefully it makes sanse now! I've not Edited my Post, & won't, or this exchange will become nonsensical. At least I now know someone reads my inane & endless drivel. Posted by Tikay10
Shame, I thought this was going to be the first time ever that a "Sky is Rigged" post was going to be originated by one of the on-screen talent, as you'd have to admit, if there were 5 Jacks in play for a hand, that would have consitituted "rigged" poker!!!! Of course someone reads your thread, it is the only "diary" type thread that I read on a regular basis
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I agree they are a great way to learn PLO8, at very low risk, as variance means it is hard to lose much more than half. We need to win around 55 out of every 100 to turn a profit.
We are not going to win a fortune, either, but risk & reward is an interesting equation, & here we have low risk & low reward, coupled with low downside, so our poker £ goes a very long way, more, I'd say, than in ANY other poker format.
More important - or to me, anyway - is the fun factor. Are you enjoying them?
Anyway, good to see you join the ever growing numbers playing these, & I hope that run continues.
Thursday 7th November
No games played, but Reward Points money received, & added to balance.
Balance now £355.84.
Friday 8th November
Played 8
Won 4
Lost 4
Split....
£2.25 - Played 3, won 1, Lost 2
£5.50 - Played 4, won 2, lost 2
£11.00 - Played 1, won 1, Lost 0
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £4.25
REWARD POINTS = 39
BANKROLL at close of Play = £360.14
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 854
November so far.....
Played 119
Won 72
Lost 47
Win-rate, November, 60.5%
Just a short session yesterday, after missing Thursday completely to to UKPC stuff, & doing the Show. The real life Diary gets in the way sometimes, but I was itching to play yesterday, so managed a couple of hours.
A 4-4 split did my batting average no good at all, but at least I turned a small profit.
Got hilariously coolered twice, but in a way, they were getoffable I suppose, so blame myself.
I had Potted it after 3 limpers with the quite reasonable A-3-J-J Double suited, & got a customer. The flop was J-J-2, not what I had been looking for, but I had the J, with A kicker, so we went to war. Matey Boy had THE only hand he could re-pot with, of course, 2-2-x-x, but I could not bring myself to believe him, I just thought he had a bare Jack. That'll teach me not to believe folks.
However, I got lucky because I only played one @ £11, & won that, so it skewed the £££'s in my favour, & we emerged with a small profit.
Next milestone, £375. Or £350.
P.S. Well done on the general upwards direction.
I had, of course, A-A-J-3, not A-J-J-3. I'd never pot it (assuming normal stack dynamics, early doors) with A-J-J-3, that one goes in the muck, pre, every time.
Hopefully it makes sanse now! I've not Edited my Post, & won't, or this exchange will become nonsensical.
At least I now know someone reads my inane & endless drivel.
The mind truly boggles.
Try & get the hand correct, I've seen some idiots post hands completely wrong.
You have some nut draws, plenty of paint, connected cards, & it is MUCH easier to shove with a marginal than call with a marginal, so we might pick up 30% of our stack from dead money in the middle. You can rarely be in terrible shape with that hand.
I'd not be interested in the outcome on THIS occasion, rather, what would happen in that identical spot 10,000 times. I'm pretty sure you'd be long-term profitable shoving there. If we do the correct things repeatedly, we'll be just fine, never mind the short-term.
You dried yourself properly? You know, under the arms, cracks & crevices, everywhere?
If i can be allowed to give an opinion on this. For me this is an auto shove hand. You have 4 out of the 6 hands nut drawing and no danglers in sight. With this short a stack you will not get a much better spot. Chances are you will get called but even against a dominating hand you are not in too bad a spot at all. Marginal decision if you were being asked to call with the hand but shoving is fine because there are always the times you wont be called to add to the liquidity of it.
The more I think about that spot, the better I like it as a shoving hand in PLO. We don't always get called, either, so if the shove gets through half the time, our odds improve by 50% over time.
In PLO8, I may answer differently, because, ideally, I want a two way hand in PL08, giving me two chances to win, or at least half. Also, in PLO8, odd as it may seem, but we are not FORCED to shove with 4.5 Bigs, & these "spots" come along far more frequently than in PLO.
This was PLO, of course, but we should all understand "danglers".
In PLO8, to me, danglers would be any 7,8 or 9, all of which are dreadful cards, really hand-killers. In PLO, any 4 paint hand, especially with nut draws, is almost a premium.
With 4 players left in a DYM, at, say, 200-400, the AVERAGE stack is only 7.5 Bigs, so normal rules don't apply.