In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : I'm just teasing and I know what you mean. Enjoying the game is probably the most important aspect of it. I fall in and out of love with it freqeuently, more to do with the hours that I can put in rather than the variance, but I don't play MTT's. I've recently started to combat that by taking regular breaks every 2 hours aswell as doing BJJ 4 times a week and that seems to have me back in the right frame of mind. Anyway, I suppose if you want to play 6 tables then your win rate will be going down and it's always nice to have added protection. GL and onwards and upwards. I'm not that clued up in Omaha but I might do some flipping with ya for giggles and stuff! Posted by yuranASSet
I'm astonished how many players don't really seem to enjoy playing poker, & yet do so every night. What a strange thing that is.
Me, I'm like a kid in a toy shop, every day, can't wait to get started. I had to miss Friday & Saturday last week, so I played 60 DYM's - sixty - yesterday.
Every part of every game gives me pleasure - the anticipation of our hand being dealt, will we hit the board, the thrill of hitting the nuts & getting paid, that little square box that comes up at the end "you have won..."
Think I have more enthusiasm for the game now than the day I began playing. Took me a log time to find the secret though.
Be great to see you at the PLO8 tables, the lads there are a great bunch.
The girlies, however - MOTHER & the oleaginous MacacGirl - are such a pain, it's all gabble gabble gabble.
Anyway, she is back amongst us now, & when we play poker against friends - close friends - we DO play different. It's not ego, but there's some perverse extra pleasure in busting a mate - insta followed by regret.
Generally, I like to get my money in good, & if I get outdrawn, too bad, I'll live. I actually don't enjoy wining when I outdraw someone. They had me beat all ends up, & I got lucky. Where's the satisfaction in that?
But with close friends, the dynamic changes completely. I horribly outdrew Karen last night, & typed BOOMIO, but afterwards I felt a bit sad. Not for long, mind, she got it back next game with one of her dreaded spite calls.
On a related topic, there is a chap on Twitter who gives me horrendous grief (well there's a few actually, like I care...) because he thinks I dislike Richard Orford. You can't make this stuff up, can you? Course I give Orford grief, but that's because I love him to bits. Really.
Same with Mr Ambo. I put my elbow in his ribs all the time - because I think he's the greatest, & a smashing friend.
Amazing that some folks get whooshed by all that stuff.
Anyway, I'd best push on. The Forum was a bit angry yesterday. Bridges to build, fences to mend, eh?
Quick shout out to a newcomer to the PLL8 DYM ranks, "yuranasset", who joined us for 3 or 4 games last night.
We made him very welcome - ALL poker players should try a bit of that, instead of blaming the sites for everything - & he seemed to really enjoy himself.
And if yuranasset reads this, & wants a bit of help with PLO8 tips & advice, let us know, & I'll try & help, as will those who really know how to play the game. My best advice would usually be "fold".....It's what I do best.
Quick shout out to a newcomer to the PLL8 DYM ranks, "yuranasset ", who joined us for 3 or 4 games last night. We made him very welcome - ALL poker players should try a bit of that, instead of blaming the sites for everything - & he seemed to really enjoy himself. And if yuranasset reads this, & wants a bit of help with PLO8 tips & advice, let us know, & I'll try & help, as will those who really know how to play the game. My best advice would usually be "fold".....It's what I do best. Posted by Tikay10
I am back playing the 3.30s so may join the food chat and spite call sessions.
Interesting hand in my diary Tikay if you get the chance to view it.
All-in 3 way pre-flop in a PLO8 dym at Level 1. I can't see how that is ever +EV for any player to be 1 of 3 players with your stack on the line, even me who had the best hand going in.
Quick shout out to a newcomer to the PLL8 DYM ranks, "yuranasset ", who joined us for 3 or 4 games last night. We made him very welcome - ALL poker players should try a bit of that, instead of blaming the sites for everything - & he seemed to really enjoy himself. And if yuranasset reads this, & wants a bit of help with PLO8 tips & advice, let us know, & I'll try & help, as will those who really know how to play the game. My best advice would usually be "fold".....It's what I do best. Posted by Tikay10
Thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed the 4 games I played last night. I think a mixed combination of PLO Hi-Lo and the DYM format. I hadn't play PLO Hi-Lo before and rarely dabbled in the loose game. Hadn't played DYM's for years and I think the combo was great for a wee buzz. I finished the night with 1 Fifth, 2 Bubbles and finally a cash.
I will use the the PLO8 thread to post some hands that can be picked apart. Despite actually learning the rules whilst playing (although I was aware of both a Hi & Lo pot) I had no idea that my 6 high hand was good without any straights or flushes. Done a bit of reading on it last night after the session to discover that low flushes don't count and low pairs are the devil.
I think some of my exits where the result of bad DYM play as well as PLO8 play. 2 Jams came from UTG still 6max (mainly due to stack sizes) whilst trying to get through what can probably be called less than average holdings, but you will be better placed to confirmed this.
As soon as I rediscover how to post hands again I will endeavour to do so. With this in mind I will defo be back for some action to see if I can increase on my 25% ITM.
Yes, it's a real peculiarity that the low pot in PLO8 does not have pairs, sets, houses, flushes or even straights really. The wheel - A-2-3-4-5 - is a "5 low" for the low hand, & a 5 high straight for the high hand.
There was a very sad hand last night involving 3 of us, think "Winshoes" may have been in the pot with me, & a stranger to PLO8. The board ran out 7-8-10-J-K, Winshoes & I both had A-Q for Broadway, the new guy had A-3-4-5 & he re-raised us both all-in on the river & obviously done his complete stack poor chap. We could only assume that he never realised you must use 2 cards in PLO & PLO8.
It's sad because he is almost certainly lost to the PLO8 squad now, as he must have felt aggrieved & confused.
You make a very good point about the balance between PLO8 knowledge & regular DYM strategy. I'd say if a player has a good grasp of DYM strategy, then once they learn the rules of PLO8, they do just fine. I'd guess the balance between the two is not far off 50-50.
Yes Tony I was in the pot with you, and it did seem a "newbie" error, unfortunately.
Having only played PL08 for just over a year, my advice to a new player would be to reg for a few 60p DYM's and learn the hand ranges this way. Plenty of good guides on the internet too, particularly reference starting-hands. Even if you lose a couple of quid early on playing the chaepest buy-ins, the knowledge base and "feel" you will build up will stand you in good stead in the longer-term. Also note-taking on your opponents is vital. The major difference between PL08 and NLHE, in my opinion, is mental strength. IF getting aces cracked in NLHE makes you tilt, maybe PL08 is not for you. However the help offered to new players and the banter at the tables at PL08 is unparrelled.
Mental strength? Well yes, if having aces cracked is gonna tilt you, don't ever play PLO or PLO8. IN NLH, pre-flop & heads up, Aces are generally 80% to win. In PLO, much much less, & in PLO8, even less to scoop. I should add that I was in fearful form last night (luck wise) & busted aces time after time. Poor old 67Bhoys was agog at my run good, & quite right too, it was embarrassing.
It was not until I finished my session & totted up that I realised that of the 17 I played @ £3.30, I had won 16. That's proper run good. Sadly, but inevitably, it was not the case at £5.50 & £11, far from it. It's a strange night when I can lose from from 6 @ £11 & still turn a £15 profit in a 30 game session. Was a bit cross with myself in the £11ers, just kept making silly ill-disciplined & lazy mistakes. And I paid the bill.
We get so many beautiful hands, though, sets & full houses galore, nut lows etc, that's the beauty of 4 cards. You can play NLL all night & barely make a handful of sets, they are ten a penny in Omaha.
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In truth, inserting them in the Lobby would be no bother at all, as far as I know.
And I genuinely think that some of the NLH boys, who play £22 & up, might fancy a change & come across.
[QUOTE]+£2.5k WP sir. Honeymoon fund?
Posted by Phantom66
Vegas fund, more like......
Me, I'm like a kid in a toy shop, every day, can't wait to get started. I had to miss Friday & Saturday last week, so I played 60 DYM's - sixty - yesterday.
Every part of every game gives me pleasure - the anticipation of our hand being dealt, will we hit the board, the thrill of hitting the nuts & getting paid, that little square box that comes up at the end "you have won..."
Think I have more enthusiasm for the game now than the day I began playing. Took me a log time to find the secret though.
Be great to see you at the PLO8 tables, the lads there are a great bunch.
The girlies, however - MOTHER & the oleaginous MacacGirl - are such a pain, it's all gabble gabble gabble.
I only learned the word oleaginous today, after Tighty used it elsewhere, & I had to look it up.
And I thought it'd be great to try & work it into a sentence, like, you know, naturally, but I could not think how.
And then MacacGirl's name sprung to mind. Perfect, fits like a glove.
Nice when a plan comes together.
BOOMIO
Oh yes, I love her to bits. Sort of. A bit. Ish.
Anyway, she is back amongst us now, & when we play poker against friends - close friends - we DO play different. It's not ego, but there's some perverse extra pleasure in busting a mate - insta followed by regret.
Generally, I like to get my money in good, & if I get outdrawn, too bad, I'll live. I actually don't enjoy wining when I outdraw someone. They had me beat all ends up, & I got lucky. Where's the satisfaction in that?
But with close friends, the dynamic changes completely. I horribly outdrew Karen last night, & typed BOOMIO, but afterwards I felt a bit sad. Not for long, mind, she got it back next game with one of her dreaded spite calls.
On a related topic, there is a chap on Twitter who gives me horrendous grief (well there's a few actually, like I care...) because he thinks I dislike Richard Orford. You can't make this stuff up, can you? Course I give Orford grief, but that's because I love him to bits. Really.
Same with Mr Ambo. I put my elbow in his ribs all the time - because I think he's the greatest, & a smashing friend.
Amazing that some folks get whooshed by all that stuff.
Anyway, I'd best push on. The Forum was a bit angry yesterday. Bridges to build, fences to mend, eh?
Quick shout out to a newcomer to the PLL8 DYM ranks, "yuranasset", who joined us for 3 or 4 games last night.
We made him very welcome - ALL poker players should try a bit of that, instead of blaming the sites for everything - & he seemed to really enjoy himself.
And if yuranasset reads this, & wants a bit of help with PLO8 tips & advice, let us know, & I'll try & help, as will those who really know how to play the game. My best advice would usually be "fold".....It's what I do best.
Ha, behave yerself Lord G.
He admitted to being "confused". A feeling I know well.
Random chat-box convo last night, from our beloved (?) Karen, aka Macacgirl.
She gives us a running commentary on what she is eating, or anticipating eating. Tells us everything. I tried muting her, but she's un-muteable.
Anyway, we get this....
"I'm now eating spare ribs".
Soon followed by this pearl of wisdom.
"It's very hard to eat spare ribs with one hand".
Fair comment, I guess, not the sort of thing many of us would try.
Her poor husband gets some grief, too. She decided "it's time for pudding", only to discover Hubbie had eaten it all.
"Right. I'm off to the pub to tell him his fortune."
Poor man.
Interesting hand in my diary Tikay if you get the chance to view it.
All-in 3 way pre-flop in a PLO8 dym at Level 1. I can't see how that is ever +EV for any player to be 1 of 3 players with your stack on the line, even me who had the best hand going in.
^^^
Yes, it's a real peculiarity that the low pot in PLO8 does not have pairs, sets, houses, flushes or even straights really. The wheel - A-2-3-4-5 - is a "5 low" for the low hand, & a 5 high straight for the high hand.
There was a very sad hand last night involving 3 of us, think "Winshoes" may have been in the pot with me, & a stranger to PLO8. The board ran out 7-8-10-J-K, Winshoes & I both had A-Q for Broadway, the new guy had A-3-4-5 & he re-raised us both all-in on the river & obviously done his complete stack poor chap. We could only assume that he never realised you must use 2 cards in PLO & PLO8.
It's sad because he is almost certainly lost to the PLO8 squad now, as he must have felt aggrieved & confused.
You make a very good point about the balance between PLO8 knowledge & regular DYM strategy. I'd say if a player has a good grasp of DYM strategy, then once they learn the rules of PLO8, they do just fine. I'd guess the balance between the two is not far off 50-50.
I hope you persevere.
Good Post Andrew.
Mental strength? Well yes, if having aces cracked is gonna tilt you, don't ever play PLO or PLO8. IN NLH, pre-flop & heads up, Aces are generally 80% to win. In PLO, much much less, & in PLO8, even less to scoop. I should add that I was in fearful form last night (luck wise) & busted aces time after time. Poor old 67Bhoys was agog at my run good, & quite right too, it was embarrassing.
It was not until I finished my session & totted up that I realised that of the 17 I played @ £3.30, I had won 16. That's proper run good. Sadly, but inevitably, it was not the case at £5.50 & £11, far from it. It's a strange night when I can lose from from 6 @ £11 & still turn a £15 profit in a 30 game session. Was a bit cross with myself in the £11ers, just kept making silly ill-disciplined & lazy mistakes. And I paid the bill.
We get so many beautiful hands, though, sets & full houses galore, nut lows etc, that's the beauty of 4 cards. You can play NLL all night & barely make a handful of sets, they are ten a penny in Omaha.