One poor chap last night had entered a PLO8 DYM in error, he thought it was a NLH DYM (how DO you do that?) Posted by Tikay10
This is how I discovered PLO8, Same scenario as Trev. (Quite a while ago obvs!) When I announced to the table what I'd done and I was a newbie, 3 of the players were offering advice, and one was "away"! I thought to myself "where else would your opponenst give you advice so you could beat them?" By a strange stroke of luck I cashed.....been downhill ever since. ;-)
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : I would argue that in omaha you expect to be outdrawn frequently, so when it happens, you dont mind so much. I holdem, when you get it in good you almost "expect" to win. I know that I take beats better when playing omaha. you thought about trying to get some traffic going at the standard PLO8 SNGs instead of DYMs? I'd certainly be interested, and I'm sure youe edge would be even greater against PLO8 noobs like me... Posted by chicknMelt
Expect to be outdrawn more in Omaha? Yes, I guess that is fair. But we must expect to be outdrawn in NLH, too. The maths say we MUST & WILL be outdrawn x% of the time. Do people not understand that?
I see people chuntering that they "always" lose 60-40 shots. They don't, but they do lose 40% of them, & 40% is a lot.
Much of it is careless wording. "I never win with J-J/A-K" or whatever, is total nonsense, they are telling porkies. But we know what they are trying to say.
Revving up the traffic in PLO DYM's? Yes, I think about it constantly. I really must. Together with a good few others, we have built some reasonable liquidity (relative to the size of the site) in PLO8 now, & so the challenge is there, teasing me!
I'm not sure I'd do so well, mind. But it is 75% about DYM strategy, & as for the Omaha itself, I have a good technical understanding of the game, & much experience playing it. My weakness is lack of aggression, but I'm plenty aggro enough at the sharp end of DYM's so I'd be OK. Maybe. I'll definitely experiment with it, but every time I go to the PLO DYM Lobby, there is no traffic, & I need 4 or 5 games at a time ideally. I can't mix PLO & PLO8, either, I just can't do it.
Probably give it a try one evening soon, & if I can drum up some interest, I'll have a "Challenge" on it, rather like the PLO8 challenge thing. If you & a few others agree to help out, I'm sure we could soon rev up dsome decent liquidity.
I'd miss the PLO8 though, I genuinely enjoy it a great deal, it is such a lovely "thinking" game. And, like, say, golf, we keep trying to tinker with how we play it, try & be better, make adjustments, fettle fiffle & faffle, but we can never get it just right. I am playing it far far better now than I ever did, but still a longgggg way short of where I'd like to be. I leave a lot of equity in the middle in certain spots, as I'm not best sure how to proceed post-flop in certain situations. If I have an A-K type hand, & flop the Ace on a low only flop, I pretty much give up quickly, as I know I'm probably chopping at best.
It still astonishes me that players CALL all-in with low only hands, too. They win sometimes, of course, & I'm glad they do, because I need them to keep calling with such hands. I often RAISE with such hands, that is a very different thing, as we get (say) 75%% of our pre-flop raises through unchallenged in the late stages, but unless stack dynamics dictate it, I'm not a low hand caller, ever. I'd rather raise an unopened pot with poo than call a raise with a Low Only.
Anyway, I started waffling there, sorry. As you were.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : This is how I discovered PLO8, Same scenario as Trev. (Quite a while ago obvs!) When I announced to the table what I'd done and I was a newbie, 3 of the players were offering advice, and one was "away"! I thought to myself "where else would your opponenst give you advice so you could beat them?" By a strange stroke of luck I cashed.....been downhill ever since. ;-) Posted by Glenelg
You are so SCARY, pad, you turn up with all sorts, & I'm scared of taking you on!
You enjoy it though, & that's all that matters.
It is interesting though that when it happens, most of the Table are instantly there with helpful advice. There are some lovely people in poker.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Expect to be outdrawn more in Omaha? Yes, I guess that is fair. But we must expect to be outdrawn in NLH, too. The maths say we MUST & WILL be outdrawn x% of the time. Do people not understand that? I see people chuntering that they "always" lose 60-40 shots. They don't, but they do lose 40% of them, & 40% is a lot. Much of it is careless wording. "I never win with J-J/A-K" or whatever, is total nonsense, they are telling porkies. But we know what they are trying to say. Revving up the traffic in PLO DYM's? Yes, I think about it constantly. I really must. Together with a good few others, we have built some reasonable liquidity (relative to the size of the site) in PLO8 now, & so the challenge is there, teasing me! I'm not sure I'd do so well, mind. But it is 75% about DYM strategy, & as for the Omaha itself, I have a good technical understanding of the game, & much experience playing it. My weakness is lack of aggression, but I'm plenty aggro enough at the sharp end of DYM's so I'd be OK. Maybe. I'll definitely experiment with it, but every time I go to the PLO DYM Lobby, there is no traffic, & I need 4 or 5 games at a time ideally. I can't mix PLO & PLO8, either, I just can't do it. Probably give it a try one evening soon, & if I can drum up some interest, I'll have a "Challenge" on it, rather like the PLO8 challenge thing. If you & a few others agree to help out, I'm sure we could soon rev up dsome decent liquidity. I'd miss the PLO8 though, I genuinely enjoy it a great deal, it is such a lovely "thinking" game. And, like, say, golf, we keep trying to tinker with how we play it, try & be better, make adjustments, fettle fiffle & faffle, but we can never get it just right. I am playing it far far better now than I ever did, but still a longgggg way short of where I'd like to be. I leave a lot of equity in the middle in certain spots, as I'm not best sure how to proceed post-flop in certain situations. If I have an A-K type hand, & flop the Ace on a low only flop, I pretty much give up quickly, as I know I'm probably chopping at best. It still astonishes me that players CALL all-in with low only hands, too. They win sometimes, of course, & I'm glad they do, because I need them to keep calling with such hands. I often RAISE with such hands, that is a very different thing, as we get (say) 75%% of our pre-flop raises through unchallenged in the late stages, but unless stack dynamics dictate it, I'm not a low hand caller, ever. I'd rather raise an unopened pot with poo than call a raise with a Low Only. Anyway, I started waffling there, sorry. As you were. Posted by Tikay10
I think you misunderstood the question slightly teeks - I was asking if you would be interested in pushing for some volume on the PLO8 SNG's with a "standard" top 2 paid structure, instead of the DYM's...
I enjoy PLO too, so if you wanted to have a go at them instead I would be happy to donate the odd tenner like I have been at PLO8.
on another note, I dont think I have ever heard a grown man, especially of your ripeness, using the word "poo" so much. rather amusing.
Tremendous fun. It helps my results when you are in the game, too, as you generally amass a big stack & bully the Table, so I just sit there quietly with my mid-stack & let you do all the work for me. Posted by Tikay10
I love to bully the games, but I think I should tone down on that somewhat within 0/8 DYMs. I hope the games have been treating you well and the results are trickling in Tikay. All the best.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : You are so SCARY, pad, you turn up with all sorts, & I'm scared of taking you on! You enjoy it though, & that's all that matters. It is interesting though that when it happens, most of the Table are instantly there with helpful advice. There are some lovely people in poker. Posted by Tikay10
Why thanx, I think? Anyhoo, just a heads-up, it's the Tingle Creek Chase at Sandown tomoz. Get ya pokerz winnings on Somersby! But shhhh! don't tell a soul rite?
BOOM! My Reward Points money arrived safely, £59.63, so hello to the £600's. That is BEFORE I commence tonight's session. I'll probably be back in the mid £500's after, but at least I temporarily trebled the 'roll. Happy days, & good luck tonight, whatever you play. Posted by Tikay10
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Why thanx, I think? Anyhoo, just a heads-up, it's the Tingle Creek Chase at Sandown tomoz. Get ya pokerz winnings on Somersby! But shhhh! don't tell a soul rite? Posted by Glenelg
I well remember the great Tingle Creek, trained by Bob Turnell, & ridden by his son, Andy, if I'm not mistaken. Was a standing dish at Sandown.
I actually stopped for a coffee at a hotel named "Tingle Creek" in the beguilingly beautiful Kyle of Lockalsh a few years ago, which stands at one end of the Skye Bridge. Yikes, I so want to go back there soon.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : I love to bully the games, but I think I should tone down on that somewhat within 0/8 DYMs. I hope the games have been treating you well and the results are trickling in Tikay. All the best. Posted by patwalshh
Not at all - you have got the balance just right, I wish I had your ability, if I did, I'd try & do what you do. I do agree, though, that PLO8 is not the best vehicle for unbridled aggression, at least not in Levels 1 to 4. From Level 5 onwards, yes, I fully agree, & even I get mega-aggro in the late stages, you have to.
"Abuse" may be too strong an adjective, but you play these beautifully.
My results have been very pleasing, on the whole, though I had a shocker last night, lol. I'm not fussed about bad days though, the long-term results are all that matters, & we must expect a few down days.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : I think you misunderstood the question slightly teeks - I was asking if you would be interested in pushing for some volume on the PLO8 SNG's with a "standard" top 2 paid structure, instead of the DYM's... I enjoy PLO too, so if you wanted to have a go at them instead I would be happy to donate the odd tenner like I have been at PLO8. on another note, I dont think I have ever heard a grown man, especially of your ripeness, using the word "poo" so much. rather amusing. Posted by chicknMelt
Yes, my apologies, I misread your Post, sorry.
For me, I doubt SNG's would suit my style, they are higher variance, and my game is tactically based on just doing enough, & no more than necessary, to get top three. Essentially, much of what I do is based on letting others do the work for me.
"poo", lol, sorry. The Sky Community swear filter is a thing of some delicacy. I must say, though, I enjoy people using unususal adjectives, & whilst I've been described as old in as variety of ways, "ripeness" is a new one.
Well the stormy weather arrived in style, & I got a right clattering last night, winning just 14 from 30.
I lost 10 of the first 13, lol, but managed a bit of a grandstand finish to pull a bit back.
The £umbers are misleading, too. In games, I actually LOST £42.50, but I got almost £60 in Reward Points money from November yesterday, and as the numbers I always report are closing balances, day to day, I ended up with a misleading profit figure of £17.12.
I did run a bit bad, but I never played well either, that was the real problem, I was too heavy on the gas pedal. I got it all-in pre with bad Kings twice, I don't need to do that in early Levels. Late on, yes, unavoidable, but early doors, no, they were clear folds. On a third occasion I did the same, but sucked out on the Aces against some poor chap, who was very gracious about it.
Only time I played Kings well was one game where in Level 5 EVERY player limped into my BB (!), & I had really beautiful Kings - K-K-2-3 (they have "Ace" insurance, lovely hand), & I got two callers for my full pot squeeze, & I scooped the lot.
Not many £11 games going, just 6 from 30, & I do better in the £11 ones. Excuses, excuses.....
Not many of the Big Boys about last night, either, except Alexis, no sign of the Argonaut, footsie, ChicknMelt or PatWalsh.
Strange night really, & I was due a battering I guess after running so good so far in December.
Plenty of Reward Points though, 350, quite a haul that for me. It is only 175 doubled, & I've managed 200+ before, but not on a Doubled week.
Two big sessions planned to end Double Rewards Week, would like to best 2,000 before Sunday ends, which will mean I can get to 3,000 & the 50% Bonus in December.
I need to play better though, was quite cross with myself last night for making a series of sub-optimal plays. This game really teaches us to keep our feet on the ground.
Well the stormy weather arrived in style, & I got a right clattering last night, winning just 14 from 30. I lost 10 of the first 13, lol, but managed a bit of a grandstand finish to pull a bit back. The £umbers are misleading, too. Posted by Tikay10
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : I well remember the great Tingle Creek, trained by Bob Turnell, & ridden by his son, Andy, if I'm not mistaken. Was a standing dish at Sandown. I actually stopped for a coffee at a hotel named "Tingle Creek" in the beguilingly beautiful Kyle of Lockalsh a few years ago, which stands at one end of the Skye Bridge. Yikes, I so want to go back there soon. Posted by Tikay10
Rumour has it the owner of the hotel bought it from his winnings from said horse....hence name! Also, it's Lochalsh #justsaying ;-)
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Rumour has it the owner of the hotel bought it from his winnings from said horse....hence name! Also, it's Lochalsh #justsaying ;-) Posted by Glenelg
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I see people chuntering that they "always" lose 60-40 shots. They don't, but they do lose 40% of them, & 40% is a lot.
Much of it is careless wording. "I never win with J-J/A-K" or whatever, is total nonsense, they are telling porkies. But we know what they are trying to say.
Revving up the traffic in PLO DYM's? Yes, I think about it constantly. I really must. Together with a good few others, we have built some reasonable liquidity (relative to the size of the site) in PLO8 now, & so the challenge is there, teasing me!
I'm not sure I'd do so well, mind. But it is 75% about DYM strategy, & as for the Omaha itself, I have a good technical understanding of the game, & much experience playing it. My weakness is lack of aggression, but I'm plenty aggro enough at the sharp end of DYM's so I'd be OK. Maybe. I'll definitely experiment with it, but every time I go to the PLO DYM Lobby, there is no traffic, & I need 4 or 5 games at a time ideally. I can't mix PLO & PLO8, either, I just can't do it.
Probably give it a try one evening soon, & if I can drum up some interest, I'll have a "Challenge" on it, rather like the PLO8 challenge thing. If you & a few others agree to help out, I'm sure we could soon rev up dsome decent liquidity.
I'd miss the PLO8 though, I genuinely enjoy it a great deal, it is such a lovely "thinking" game. And, like, say, golf, we keep trying to tinker with how we play it, try & be better, make adjustments, fettle fiffle & faffle, but we can never get it just right. I am playing it far far better now than I ever did, but still a longgggg way short of where I'd like to be. I leave a lot of equity in the middle in certain spots, as I'm not best sure how to proceed post-flop in certain situations. If I have an A-K type hand, & flop the Ace on a low only flop, I pretty much give up quickly, as I know I'm probably chopping at best.
It still astonishes me that players CALL all-in with low only hands, too. They win sometimes, of course, & I'm glad they do, because I need them to keep calling with such hands. I often RAISE with such hands, that is a very different thing, as we get (say) 75%% of our pre-flop raises through unchallenged in the late stages, but unless stack dynamics dictate it, I'm not a low hand caller, ever. I'd rather raise an unopened pot with poo than call a raise with a Low Only.
Anyway, I started waffling there, sorry. As you were.
You enjoy it though, & that's all that matters.
It is interesting though that when it happens, most of the Table are instantly there with helpful advice. There are some lovely people in poker.
BOOM!
My Reward Points money arrived safely, £59.63, so hello to the £600's.
That is BEFORE I commence tonight's session. I'll probably be back in the mid £500's after, but at least I temporarily trebled the 'roll.
Happy days, & good luck tonight, whatever you play.
I actually stopped for a coffee at a hotel named "Tingle Creek" in the beguilingly beautiful Kyle of Lockalsh a few years ago, which stands at one end of the Skye Bridge. Yikes, I so want to go back there soon.
"Abuse" may be too strong an adjective, but you play these beautifully.
My results have been very pleasing, on the whole, though I had a shocker last night, lol. I'm not fussed about bad days though, the long-term results are all that matters, & we must expect a few down days.
For me, I doubt SNG's would suit my style, they are higher variance, and my game is tactically based on just doing enough, & no more than necessary, to get top three. Essentially, much of what I do is based on letting others do the work for me.
"poo", lol, sorry. The Sky Community swear filter is a thing of some delicacy. I must say, though, I enjoy people using unususal adjectives, & whilst I've been described as old in as variety of ways, "ripeness" is a new one.
Friday 6th December
Played 30
Won 14
Lost 16
Split....
£2.25 - Played 0, won 0, Lost 0
£5.50 - Played 24, won 10, lost 14
£11.00 - Played 6, won 4, Lost 2
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £17.12
PROFIT/LOSS in December, £89.35
REWARD POINTS = 350
BANKROLL at close of Play = £566.56
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 1,446
December to date....
Played 113
Won 67
Lost 46
Win-rate, November, 59.29%
Profit/Loss per game = £0.79
Well the stormy weather arrived in style, & I got a right clattering last night, winning just 14 from 30.
I lost 10 of the first 13, lol, but managed a bit of a grandstand finish to pull a bit back.
The £umbers are misleading, too. In games, I actually LOST £42.50, but I got almost £60 in Reward Points money from November yesterday, and as the numbers I always report are closing balances, day to day, I ended up with a misleading profit figure of £17.12.
I did run a bit bad, but I never played well either, that was the real problem, I was too heavy on the gas pedal. I got it all-in pre with bad Kings twice, I don't need to do that in early Levels. Late on, yes, unavoidable, but early doors, no, they were clear folds. On a third occasion I did the same, but sucked out on the Aces against some poor chap, who was very gracious about it.
Only time I played Kings well was one game where in Level 5 EVERY player limped into my BB (!), & I had really beautiful Kings - K-K-2-3 (they have "Ace" insurance, lovely hand), & I got two callers for my full pot squeeze, & I scooped the lot.
Not many £11 games going, just 6 from 30, & I do better in the £11 ones. Excuses, excuses.....
Not many of the Big Boys about last night, either, except Alexis, no sign of the Argonaut, footsie, ChicknMelt or PatWalsh.
Strange night really, & I was due a battering I guess after running so good so far in December.
Plenty of Reward Points though, 350, quite a haul that for me. It is only 175 doubled, & I've managed 200+ before, but not on a Doubled week.
Two big sessions planned to end Double Rewards Week, would like to best 2,000 before Sunday ends, which will mean I can get to 3,000 & the 50% Bonus in December.
I need to play better though, was quite cross with myself last night for making a series of sub-optimal plays. This game really teaches us to keep our feet on the ground.
Must do better.
Apologies.
Well I never took it as a "warning", just two guys with an interest in how we account for stuff coming at it from a different direction.
As I subsequently explained, I'm very much on the side of prudency & transparency, & I prefer to Report that way. Wool on the back & all that.
It comes to the same thing, of course, we just differ - constructively - on how we get there.
Saturday 7th December
Played 33
Won 20
Lost 13
Split....
£2.25 - Played 1, won 1, Lost 0
£5.50 - Played 26, won 15, lost 11
£11.00 - Played 6, won 4, Lost 2
PROFIT/LOSS on Day £22.75
PROFIT/LOSS in December, £112.10
REWARD POINTS = 386
BANKROLL at close of Play = £589.31
REWARD POINTS at close of play = 1,832
December to date....
Played 146
Won 87
Lost 59
Win-rate, November, 59.59%
Profit/Loss per game = £0.77