appologies for the 9 binkage otf... i knew it was jus a good spot for you after i isso'd the limper and if we had software i would HUD called you with A9 also as u seemed to be playing more aggro on that table - Posted by LnarinOO
yeah, i have no problems with the call, I'd probably have done the same in your shoes. doesnt make it any less frustrating though! esp with all the other beats in important hands I took lol.
I like my battles with you, they are more interesting than most - we seem to be meeting on the tables quite frequently atm!
Chicknmelt, that sounds good to me. I'll come find you on one of your tables either tonight or tomorrow night at the start of your session. How many would you like to play at the same time? I was thinking HU Speed? Posted by DoubleAAA
probably not going to be playing tonight - normally spend Tuesday evening with the wife. I get away with playing every other evening, so I cant really complain! she only gets my attention on weekends, and Tuesdays atm
speed is fine, and I'm not sure whether 1 or 2 tables will be better, but happy to try either to start with. what stakes shall I wait at? happy to up to £11, or as low as you like.
In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro? : lol, I didnt think you would mind...but I didnt wanna say just incsae was half expecting you to come forward like you did lol. in that hand that I had AK, I actually misclicked min 3bet you, i didnt mean to make it that small. in the end it worked nicely because it induced the bluff 4bet from you. It was only then i realised it was you lol....easy spot for a 5bet. I was pretty scared of QQ or AQ, but I was never folding, even to a shove on the river. Posted by chicknMelt
Yeah the min raise confused me slightly. So naturally when confused I put more money into the pot! Tried repping QQ or AQ but it was ambitious to say the least
In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro? : probably not going to be playing tonight - normally spend Tuesday evening with the wife. I get away with playing every other evening, so I cant really complain! she only gets my attention on weekends, and Tuesdays atm speed is fine, and I'm not sure whether 1 or 2 tables will be better, but happy to try either to start with. what stakes shall I wait at? happy to up to £11, or as low as you like. Posted by chicknMelt
1 or 2 is fine with me, after all, we're only playing this to improve HU-wise not for profit. Would probably prefer to play the £2 or £1 games if you can still be motivated enough for this?
In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro? : 1 or 2 is fine with me, after all, we're only playing this to improve HU-wise not for profit. Would probably prefer to play the £2 or £1 games if you can still be motivated enough for this? Posted by DoubleAAA
absolutely - its not about the money, more interested in learning than anything.
do you have much HU experience? (am I going to get pwned?!)
In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro? : yeah, i have no problems with the call, I'd probably have done the same in your shoes. doesnt make it any less frustrating though! esp with all the other beats in important hands I took lol. I like my battles with you, they are more interesting than most - we seem to be meeting on the tables quite frequently atm! Posted by chicknMelt
we do indeed - im normally playing cash to be fair on sky or other sitesbut play most the decent tournies thrown in on sky... i think that hand was pretty statndard - i mean with 20bb stacks behind im only gonna be issolating a specific range knowing you know its a good spot - jus a bit of a sigh for you..!!
In Response to Re: Can a chicken go pro? : absolutely - its not about the money, more interested in learning than anything. do you have much HU experience? (am I going to get pwned?!) Posted by chicknMelt
I'm by no means a HU player although I do okay so if anyone is going to get pawned it'll prob be me! Would be good to play vs a decent thinking player such as yourself and it can only help improve BOTH of our HU games.
Thanks for the HU lesson doubleAAA - I got destroyed 6-3. looking forward to our rematch - hopefully I'll do a bit better next time! - I think he ran better in the first half, but second half was pretty nutural I thought. tough opponent HU either way.
Yesterday got off to an amazing start - something it seems I have been doing alot recently, before falling off the rails a bit later on.
I won 2 seats from 2 satellites for £55 and £52, and came 3rd in the 7pm bounty hunter. I also managed to come 3rd in the 7:30 deepstack and 7:45 £11 bh, and 2nd in the £11 turbo at 10pm. pretty impressive record up to the 7:45 tourney (they are the only tourneys I had entered), even if I do say so myself. Its just a shame I played like a complete twonk in all the other ones!
the main problem was tilt, again. There were a few differnt hands that did it and then maintained it, but the worst one was when I raise with AQ, and hit TPTK. I cbet on the flop and turn, then check call the river, only to find out I had been stationed by no pair no draw on the flop, a 6 high flush draw on the turn, then I had called a valuebet from the villain with a 6 high flush on a 4 flush board. with T6o! for most of my stack in the big BH. My call on the river wasn't great - I had 2pair by that point, and I was beating alot of bluffs, but it still should have been a fold. Its safe to say I was a little (very very...very!) spewy from that point onwards, and tbh, I was lucky to final table the 10pm turbo - i got lucky a couple of times, including a pretty sick suckout with 74o vs KK and AK AIPF. lol. 74. To be fair, it was a really good squeeze spot - CO raise, and button flat with me in the BB covering both on the bubble.
I'm annoyed with myself for going off the rails so badly though - in theory we want people to play badly vs us, and I should be able to deal with when it goes wrong alot better. it seems that the bad beats you give have no effect on making you feel better, but for every outdraw, questionable play that pays off, or bad beat, it adds a little bit of rage and at some point that rage takes over your mind and you play like a spewtard.
I still managed to make a £100+ profit for the night, but it could have and should have been more.
tonight, its all about tilt control! has anyone ever watched 2months2million? - the poker program that was on a few yrs ago that followed a buch of highstakes players in their quest to make 2 million in 2 months...they had a tilt room, a room full of stuff you can smash and some baseball bats...I think I need one of those!
my plan tonight is to try and wipe the hand from memory, and if I feel the rage starting to take over agin I'll take a break for a few seconds and have a fight with a pillow or something to let the frustration out. Its only since doing this diary that I've realised how much tilt effects me - I seem to be writing about it quite alot!
That program was terrible but somehow I still found myself watching it all on youtube! But yeah that tilt room definitely looked fun/ a good idea! Posted by F_Ivanovic
lol, yeah - I never said it was good...but something made me keep watching it, the same as you.
chickenmelt fasinating diary feels like we are going through the highs and lows with you. very interesting to see you going on tilt as i also have the same problens abd if you find something that helps post up, me being an 18 yr old fish would be interesting lol cheers steve
Know the feeling mate regarding being stationed! At times my tilt-rage is almost like I'm having a nervous breakdown!
Was good playing you HU last night, was awkward playing against your v aggro style as I don't usually ever come across this at HU in the lower mtts so I had to make some adjustments. Also I think I ran a bit better than you and hopefully we both learnt a thing or two from our play. Will play you again soon! Meanwhile, this has been an excellent blog, thoroughly enjoy reading it!
last night went quite well - a few near misses, but I cant really complain...
the good results for the evening, in order of starting time, were:
-6:10pm: £52 seat from a £11.50 sat
-7pm: 2nd in a £22 BH for £117
-7:15pm: another £52 seat
-7:45pm: 5th in a £11 bh for £47
-8pm: 10th in the main event for £240
-9:30pm: 4th in the 2k gtd bh for £153
-10pm: 2nd in the £500gtd turbo for £109
near misses
- no 1st places despite 4 final tables
- 10th in the main event!
- bubbled the £55 speed. again.
- 9th in the UKPC super sat (6 paid)
A few things stick in my mind from last night...
the main event: extremely happy with how I played in this, bossed the table from the start and again within about 15 mins I was up to >5k. Obviously i won a couple of flips later on in the tourney, and by the time there were 20 left, I was in the top 5 or so - and everyone else at my table was shorter than me - A brilliant situation to be in. I stole blinds constantly, whilst being concious that a double up for any of my opponents would effectivley mean the swap chipstacks with me. in the end, thats exactly what happened, when one of my blind stealing shoves was snapped off by QQ in the bb. I knew it would take a big hand for someone to call me, and was happy with the risk, but it did backfire in the end. after that, I held on as long as possible before getting my chips in and ended up losing a flip, AQ vs 77 i think to bust in 10th.
I suck at HU: 2 more 2nd paces. sigh. I have been getting some help in this area recently though, and I think next time I get to HU again, it will be a different story. Maybe saying I suck at HU is an exageration, but I'm certainly very far from optimal.
a question for all you HU experts out there: 20bb deep effective, villain has open shoved/3bet shoved the last 6 hands or so, you have KcJc...do you call his shove? You had been getting the better of him when you got to the flop in previous hands, and have ground up to an equal stack...but now it looks like he doesnt want to play post flop anymore. call? or wait for a bigger hand?
the big BH: I'm not even going to say anything - I'll just show you. make of it what you will...
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
111
Small blind
15.00
15.00
3230.00
222
Big blind
30.00
45.00
4060.00
Your hole cards
·7
·A
333
Fold
444
Fold
chicknMelt
Raise
90.00
135.00
4055.00
666
Call
90.00
225.00
4530.00
111
Call
75.00
300.00
3155.00
222
Call
60.00
360.00
4000.00
Flop
·9
·7
·7
111
Check
222
Check
chicknMelt
Bet
210.00
570.00
3845.00
666
Raise
570.00
1140.00
3960.00
111
Fold
222
Call
570.00
1710.00
3430.00
chicknMelt
Raise
1320.00
3030.00
2525.00
666
All-in
3960.00
6990.00
0.00
222
All-in
3430.00
10420.00
0.00
chicknMelt
All-in
2525.00
12945.00
0.00
666
Unmatched bet
475.00
12470.00
475.00
222
Show
·5
·8
chicknMelt
Show
·7
·A
666
Show
·7
·4
Turn
·8
River
·6
222
Win
Straight to the 9
12360.00
12360.00
chicknMelt
Win
Three 7s
110.00
110.00
Tilt: there was none last night, it was wierd. I ran pretty well for the most part, so that obviously helped, but I also had someone railing me. Its wierd how having someone railing keeps you in check sometimes. it didnt stop me from making a couple of silly mistakes, but I certainly didnt have any prelonged periods of spewy play like i have done in previous nights. It also made me think of a training video I watched once, where the instructor said that doing training videos actually helped their game too, because they had to make sure everything they did made sense. I think I'd recommend trying this for anyone that has tilt issues - either get someone to watch you play or imagine you are being watched by someone. it can be quite sobering, and help you to think clearly.
in the end though, after some slightly dissapointing FT performances, I managed a healthy £400+ profit. More nights like this please!
I'm not plaing at all tonight, I'm doing some normal ppl stuff - going out drinking. Expect me to be on less than my A game on saturday, whenever I eventually make it to the tables. lol.
a question for all you HU experts out there: 20bb deep effective, villain has open shoved/3bet shoved the last 6 hands or so, you have KcJc...do you call his shove? You had been getting the better of him when you got to the flop in previous hands, and have ground up to an equal stack...but now it looks like he doesnt want to play post flop anymore. call? or wait for a bigger hand?
readless KQs is the bottom of my stacking off range vs an allin over a MINr at 20-25bb.
there aren't ICM consideratons HU, chipev is £ev so if we have the right price we can call.
it's all comes down to his tendencies. against someone who is jamming wider than average, but not super wide i think it's very close but id lean to a call. KJo is an insta-fold, but i don't think it's a leak to fold KJs either:
we need 45% equity and if he's shoving like 37% of hands we have enough juice to call. if he's as tight as 22+,A2+,54s+ and K4+ then we still have enough to call, but it's one of those calls where we will end up, on average, with a stack slightly under 20bb. which is, of course, much better than the guarenteed 18bb we end up with when we fold. but it is marginal and folding is ok too against this type of player.
if, however, he has literally gone all in 6 hands in a row then he's a maniac or you've driven him to mania. KJs is too good to pass up in that case and i'd snap and congratulate youself for tilting him into recklessness. [then smash the mouse when his 96o binks on the river]
Nice one on getting your gold star back on SS. Unfortunately, it was probably due to the fact you bubbled the UKPC. Still a very nice result though. Just need to win every UKOPS ME and side to get that super shiny number 1 star
You only playing UKPC if you get a seat or would you add that money towards a direct BI?
its funny you just bumped this - I was actually on the thread myself thinking about whether I can be bothere to do another update or not! - I hadn't seen your post either lambo about the UKPC, so was going to reply to that anyway... It proper confusing searching for my thread, and reading the last couple of posts, then clicking back on poker chat and it was the top post, with lambo as the last poster - when I had only just read his post from a couple of weeks ago.
@Lambo I had already qualified for the UKPC, so it was just for the cash. I have an interesting problem tho - I have no more annual leave, so I can't take any time off in theory. I think I'm gonna have to make something up and get some unpaid leave. maybe my brother will get married and I need the thurs/fri off work ha.
So I have been grinding the tournaments as usual, with mixed results over the last week or 2. SS says I'm about £300 in profit, but I happen to know its more like £500, because it didnt give me credit for a UKPC semifinal seat I won via the super sat on thursday. it seems this tournament doesnt work right on SS - the winner got the entire prizepool apparently.
Since the 9th of december I have been pretty much break even, when there was a losing day, it was followed by a winning day of a similar amount, though I was away for a few days over the weekend and last night, so I havent played quite as much as normal
last night was the first live football match I have been to for years - I'm more of an armchair fan.
I'm a spurs fan. sigh. For those of you that don't know - spurs dominated a match vs west ham, went 1-0 up, then proceeded to turn off their brains for the last 20 minutes and concede 2 goals from no where. then to make matters worse, the trains were completely screwed. We ended up waiting at the train station for an hour before a train appeared! luckily we had some sense - realised there was a delay, and walked to the next station down - so we were nice and comfortable in our seats by the time the train pulled up at white hart lane and the crowds piled on.
I've started to mix in a few cash tables, playing NL50. Both times I started off by losing 2-3 buy ins before making any headway. the first day I managed to grind it back up to a £200 profit, and the second day I did the same, before losing most of it again - I'm pretty sure it was just due to runbad though. The points certainly rack up quickly when you play cash! still not decided if I like it or not, but the bad beats are no where near as tilting as those on the final 2 tables of a big tourney for example.
at NL50, there are clearly some pretty decent regs, but there does seem to be quite a bit of value too, more than I was expecting. so I think I'll keep up the cash for a bit, and give it a proper trial. after all, If I do really want to make it as a pro, I should really be able to beat NL50 cash. had a couple of interesting tangles with Gaz before his BR went, infact I blieve he told be to F off (in a banterry way. i think.) after I got the better of him in one hand. lol. he got the last word though, value shoving the 2nd nut flush into my 3rd nut flush for a huuge pot! would have finished £300+ in profit on the first day if it wasn't for that.
not a very interesting update, but it has brought you roughly back up to speed. I'll see if I can do a proper update from todays play.
As I mentioned yesterday, I have been dabbling with cash games to keep my number of tables up between 9 and 12 - often with MTTs it drops below 9 and I feel that I miss out on some value. I've never really been a winner at cash online - probably about break even. I think in the last 3 months or so though, since I last had a go at it, my game has come on quite alot - so its time for another bash. I played mostly 3 tables of NL50 between 8pm and 11pm, and I must have run pretty well, pretty pretty well, cos I finished £250-£300 in profit. mostly from one master cash table, which I stood up from with £350 in front of me!
most of the money came from 2 hands
1: I 3bet with AcJc on the button vs a LAG, who 4bet me. He had been very agro recently, so I took a non standard line and flatted thinking I still had pretty decent equity vs his 4bet range the way he has been playing...AJ doesnt do well in a 4bet pot normally so you'd probably want to bin it or 5bet bluff most of the time, but vs this opponent, i didnt mind calling. the flop was KJdxd, and I called a 1/2 pot cbet. Turn was another K - probably the best card in the deck for me other than a J or A. the villains turn bet was interesting, it was about 1/3 pot. it left him with a 2/3 pot river shove if he wanted it, and it looked like thats what he was setting up for. his range was either crushing me (QQ+, AK), or I was crushing him (FDs, SDs and air), so I flatted again with the intention of calling most rivers too. river was a blank and I called his shove. he had 89 for complete air and I added £100 to my stack.
2: I open UTG with QQ, and the BB 3bets. I decide to flat - his range is already pretty strong and 4betting will only make it stronger or fold out his hands I dominate. The board is 58887 and I basically call a bet on all 3 streets. I could have shoved the river, but it would have been a bit thin. villan had TT. another £60 added to my stack.
tourney highlights:
7:30 £22 deepstack. First tourney of the night - only went and binked it! £312. Thankyou very much! I seem to do pretty well in this tourney for some reason. HU went pretty well - I started offas a 3/1 chip underdog but picked up few small pots before winning a flip to take the lead. In the final hand they 3bet shoved KQ into my KK and I held. Nice to get a win under the belt after a few 2nd places in a row
main event: was out within half an hour or so! ran a set of 3's into a set of 5's AI on the flop to lose over 1/2 of my stack after building it up a bit. After that I was on a mission to rebuild. Played pretty agro and it was working for a while and I was starting to get a few chips back, but I soon bluffed my A high into 2 pair and was out.
big (9pm £55) BH: Cant remember the hand, but somehow I managed to get down to 5bb after losing an AI preflop. It doesnt stand out so it must have been pretty standard whatever happened. I managed to spin my stack up again to about 20bb after some well timed shoves, but it wasnt to be and I busted mid pack somewhere.
speed £55 bh: still my bogey tourney. cant seem to crack it. very frustrating, but I'll keep bashing away at it!
£22bh @ 10:15: steady progress throughout and I seemed to go on a massive heater from 2 tables left until the end. To give you an idea of the extent of the heater - I knocked 4 of the 5 other players out on the final table. it was rediculous, to the point where I was raising every single hand pretty much - and still getting folds because everyone was scared I had it every time. The penultimate hand I knocked out 3rd place after opening 89 on the button. they have 78 and the flop is 889. ha! the rungood continues! the very next hand, and the last hand of the tournament i raise a limp with 99 from the bb, and the flop comes K98!. I cbet and the villain shoves for like 45bb lol. I obv snap him off and he has 67 for an open ender. of course the turn pairs the board and he is drawing dead. gg. Its nice when it all goes to plan!
I also managed to win a seat to UKOPS1 via a £24 sat to finish just over £700 in profit for the day! I felt in the zone all night, and I ran pretty well - Wish poker could be like this all the time! on another positive note, I got to HU 3 times tonight and won all 3. woop! not bad for me!
Comments
Was good playing you HU last night, was awkward playing against your v aggro style as I don't usually ever come across this at HU in the lower mtts so I had to make some adjustments. Also I think I ran a bit better than you and hopefully we both learnt a thing or two from our play. Will play you again soon! Meanwhile, this has been an excellent blog, thoroughly enjoy reading it!
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
111
Small blind
15.00
15.00
3230.00
222
Big blind
30.00
45.00
4060.00
Your hole cards
· 7
· A
333
Fold
444
Fold
chicknMelt
Raise
90.00
135.00
4055.00
666
Call
90.00
225.00
4530.00
111
Call
75.00
300.00
3155.00
222
Call
60.00
360.00
4000.00
Flop
· 9
· 7
· 7
111
Check
222
Check
chicknMelt
Bet
210.00
570.00
3845.00
666
Raise
570.00
1140.00
3960.00
111
Fold
222
Call
570.00
1710.00
3430.00
chicknMelt
Raise
1320.00
3030.00
2525.00
666
All-in
3960.00
6990.00
0.00
222
All-in
3430.00
10420.00
0.00
chicknMelt
All-in
2525.00
12945.00
0.00
666
Unmatched bet
475.00
12470.00
475.00
222
Show
· 5
· 8
chicknMelt
Show
· 7
· A
666
Show
· 7
· 4
Turn
· 8
River
· 6
222
Win
Straight to the 9
12360.00
12360.00
chicknMelt
Win
Three 7s
110.00
110.00
there aren't ICM consideratons HU, chipev is £ev so if we have the right price we can call.
it's all comes down to his tendencies. against someone who is jamming wider than average, but not super wide i think it's very close but id lean to a call. KJo is an insta-fold, but i don't think it's a leak to fold KJs either:
we need 45% equity and if he's shoving like 37% of hands we have enough juice to call. if he's as tight as 22+,A2+,54s+ and K4+ then we still have enough to call, but it's one of those calls where we will end up, on average, with a stack slightly under 20bb. which is, of course, much better than the guarenteed 18bb we end up with when we fold. but it is marginal and folding is ok too against this type of player.
if, however, he has literally gone all in 6 hands in a row then he's a maniac or you've driven him to mania. KJs is too good to pass up in that case and i'd snap and congratulate youself for tilting him into recklessness. [then smash the mouse when his 96o binks on the river]
You only playing UKPC if you get a seat or would you add that money towards a direct BI?