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Can a chicken go pro?

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  • DoubleAAADoubleAAA Member Posts: 954
    edited November 2013
    Hand 1: As played, fold river.

    Hand 2: I would suggest raising smaller to ~2500, then betting just under 1/2 pot on flop, followed by 1/3 pot on turn.
  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:
    Can't disagree with Lambie H1 This is the problem with letting the blind see the flop, sometimes they hit big! If you want to test him maybe raising the turn is the way to do it, after his small probing bet. H2 you 6x bet on the button and someone comes along for the ride oop - oops two big bets follow and he is still with you - double oops difficult to see him folding the river with the pot so big with much of his range and although the c/f feels so dirty it probably is the best thing to do
    Posted by GELDY
    Wasn't I in the BB? On the button I would raise smaller
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited November 2013
    Yeah you were BB so you've went 3.5k total cos HH doesn't include the BB you already put in. It wasn't a big deal pre like, only go like 3k instead but them 1xBBs add up :)
  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited November 2013
    ok... so I  think we all somewhat agree then... 

    hand 1 - I like the open to 2x as it give the villain a chance to hit something/ shove and make a mistake. I should however have folded the river - I think that is a clear mistake.

    --edit-- geldy's suggestion of a rr on the turn has some merit, but with such a short stack, I'm just trying to get to showdown as cheaply as possible + you are repping a J with that line, and since you are so short the villain isn't going to be too worried and would probably call with anything decent anyway

    hand2 - a raise to 3k from the BB would probably have been more optimal, that combined with slightly smaller bets on flop and turn would have saved a decent chunk. I think the flop and turn are both bets still, with a check fold on the river... i do need to start taking more time with my bet sizes in general - think that is a leak of mine for sure.

    thanks guys.

    still not had any many comments on my hand from the day before (shove with OE where I got abused afterwards) - the question was whether a call with the open ender would have been more profitable than the shove. I've already shown that the shove was profitable, but is it too high varience? and if the call is more profitable then its a mistake anyway - one thing I have learned from some of the videos I have watched is just because a move is pofitable, doesn't mean it is the right one.
  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro? : Wasn't I in the BB? On the button I would raise smaller
    Posted by chicknMelt
    my bad - multitasking and having to rush to catch my flight - conclusion holds though. generally i am trying to shave a little off my post flop bets if i think i can still get stacks in by the river - seems to be working for me at the moment.

    the oesd hand - easy shove - you want to see both cards whereas if he has 2prs / a set he'll be firing again on most turns and maybe pricing you out of the pot
  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited November 2013
    it was a night of near misses last night - I finally managed to run deep in the main event finishing 12th- not enough for a big cash, I stone bubbled the final table (each of which got a seat into the £240 UKPC final, and 1st place gets a £1100 seat) of a UKPC sat, and stone bubbled the £22 £1k gtd. MTTs can get very frustrating! 

    in the main I feel like I played extremely well - I took my time with my bet sizing and my decisions and it seemed to work a treat. these are some of the highlights:
    --I ran a huge bluff for all my chips early on with K high vs a big stack: bet timing tells gave away his weakness and I bet my last 800 chips into a 2.2k pot vs a player with 6k chips...not something I would normally think about doing!

    --lost an AI pre with AA vs 99... then the very next hand vs the very same player I double up with 99...I couldn't resist a bit of banter in the chat box - "lol, 99 right back in your face :P"

    --made a pretty big laydown with KJ on a KJ44x (3 hearts) board - straight after I folded the villain said they had 44! the way the action went, they looked weak, until they overbet the river... polarizing bet, which I managed to work out. deffo would have called on some of the previous days this week.

    --ended up shoving my last 8bb utg with JTs. I got called by the worst possible hand.. JJ... even when I was called I didnt think I would be in that bad shape! gg - it was an enjoyable run, even if the cash wasnt as bit as I was hoping for - around £130 with bounties.

    in the UKPC sat that I bubbled, I think the main issue was that I didnt adapt to my table well enough - I was getting 3bet shoved on all over the place and I didnt adapt my opening range accordingly. I ended up 3bet shoving myself with 88 into KK. I ran well in this too, so i should really have converted here.

    in the 1k bh that I bubbled, I didnt do much wrong, but was 7/7 on the bubble with 6 paid... I shoved TT for around 8 bb and got called by Q6 (bounty hunting I guess), and as seems standard atm, there was a Q on the river!

    generally, I think I played well (but ended up with another small loss, which is annoying. I guess I am now officially in a downswing.


  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited November 2013
    Just noticed my C4P - I have 5080 points at the halfway point this month - at least one of my goals for sky is on target this month! Shame I wont be playing tonight - its going to be close because I caught a couple of days of the UKOPS at the start of the month which helped a bit. 

    Might have to resort to adding some cash tables in to boost my points... does anyone fancy playing some HU cash at some point? Its not my regular game so I'm not that good at it so would prefer not to play one of the regs to start with... I'm only thinking of NL10-NL30- nothing too big.  

    ...would be happy to play a set number of hands/time and post the results as well, challenge stylee...bit like the sulsky v polk match up recently (http://www.pokernews.com/news/2013/10/doug-polk-defeats-ben-sulsky-16618.htm), except less hands, less money, less skill, and no one cares about the result :D

    the only priviso is that is that HUNL can't be your main game, or one of your main games, cos you'll just crush me.
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:
    Just noticed my C4P - I have 5080 points at the halfway point this month - at least one of my goals for sky is on target this month! Shame I wont be playing tonight - its going to be close because I caught a couple of days of the UKOPS at the start of the month which helped a bit.  Might have to resort to adding some cash tables in to boost my points... does anyone fancy playing some HU cash at some point? Its not my regular game so I'm not that good at it so would prefer not to play one of the regs to start with... I'm only thinking of NL10-NL30- nothing too big.   ...would be happy to play a set number of hands/time and post the results as well, challenge stylee...bit like the sulsky v polk match up recently ( http://www.pokernews.com/news/2013/10/doug-polk-defeats-ben-sulsky-16618.htm ), except less hands, less money, less skill, and no one cares about the result :D the only priviso is that is that HUNL can't be your main game, or one of your main games, cos you'll just crush me.
    Posted by chicknMelt

    Might be interested to do this at 10nl at some point with you. Maybe sometime next week -  Gives me time to change my mind as im pretty sure its a terrible idea.

    Don't worry - cash is not my game.  HUNL is definitely not my game so the only crushing you'l be seeing will probably be of your own doing.

    I'll ponder over the idea.  You remotely interested?
  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro? : Might be interested to do this at 10nl at some point with you. Maybe sometime next week -  Gives me time to change my mind as im pretty sure its a terrible idea. Don't worry - cash is not my game.  HUNL is definitely not my game so the only crushing you'l be seeing will probably be of your own doing. I'll ponder over the idea.  You remotely interested?
    Posted by gazza127
    yeah I'm interested - nl10 sounds good too... was kind of hoping thats what would be suggested, just want to do it for a bit of fun really and possibly give my points a wee boost.

    I was thinking of a weekend before the tournament rush - so before 7pm.

    --edit---
    also dont mind, if you wanted to a challenge style matchup, if we have a cap on losses!  ..something to ponder
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro? : yeah I'm interested - nl10 sounds good too... was kind of hoping thats what would be suggested, just want to do it for a bit of fun really and possibly give my points a wee boost. I was thinking of a weekend before the tournament rush - so before 7pm. --edit--- also dont mind, if you wanted to a challenge style matchup, if we have a cap on losses!  ..something to ponder
    Posted by chicknMelt
    Interesting.

    What are your terms?

  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro? : Interesting. What are your terms?
    Posted by gazza127
    lol.

    pretty open to suggestions, but atm I'm thinking 2 tables for ~1k hands. apparently you get 200-300 hands an hour at HU... so that would be 2hrs (easier to track time than hands on sky). As for a cap on losses - 10BI? happy to go less too.

    so the match would last for 2 hours, or until someone lost 10BI (or whatever cap you fancy)...like I say, open to other suggestions.
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro? : lol. pretty open to suggestions, but atm I'm thinking 2 tables for ~1k hands. apparently you get 200-300 hands an hour at HU... so that would be 2hrs (easier to track time than hands on sky). As for a cap on losses - 10BI? happy to go less too. so the match would last for 2 hours, or until someone lost 10BI (or whatever cap you fancy)...like I say, open to other suggestions.
    Posted by chicknMelt

    Hmmmmm.  I'll have a ponder over it and get back to you.  As I say its probably a terrible idea. Lol.  Maybe I should let someone else play you first before assessing if im just setting fire to money by playing you.  Lol
  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited November 2013
    fine by me, ponder away :)

    we could do half of that if you prefer to start with - 1 hr, 2 tables, 5BI.

    believe me, I'm equally worried about getting smashed, so quite happy to lower the risk :)

    --edit--think I slightly prefer the first option, cos I'm sure there would be swings of a few BI here and there. either is good tho.
  • splashiessplashies Member Posts: 3,680
    edited November 2013
    Rake at NL10 is 7.5%, which is a killer HU. Although in a perverse way, you may prefer this, as you are doing this to gain more points.

    Been reading the diary from the start btw, gl both.
  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:
    Rake at NL10 is 7.5%, which is a killer HU. Although in a perverse way, you may prefer this, as you are doing this to gain more points. Been reading the diary from the start btw, gl both.
    Posted by splashies

    What about Nl20?

    Nice to see that at least some read this :)

  • splashiessplashies Member Posts: 3,680
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro? : What about Nl20? Nice to see that at least some read this :)
    Posted by chicknMelt
    :D

    NL20 is 5% rake. If you're looking for an opponent, I know RyanC7 was looking to play some1 hu over a few tables, so maybe PM him.


  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited November 2013
    I like Gazza127.

    I also like Chicknmelt.

    But who would win in a HUNL session?

    There's only one way to find out........

    Lol at that guy peeling with J3. Man, there are some awful players on Sky. It's when they are awful and lucky though, that makes me want to chew my face off.

    Gl Mr Melt, please stay away from my MTT tables, ta.
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:
    I like Gazza127. I also like Chicknmelt. But who would win in a HUNL session? There's only one way to find out........ Lol at that guy peeling with J3. Man, there are some awful players on Sky. It's when they are awful and lucky though, that makes me want to chew my face off. Gl Mr Melt, please stay away from my MTT tables, ta.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    I'm print screening this, printing it off, laminating and framing it.

    You cant take this back!
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited November 2013
    Typo.
  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited November 2013
    In Response to Re: Can a chicken turn pro?:
    I like Gazza127. I also like Chicknmelt. But who would win in a HUNL session? There's only one way to find out........ Lol at that guy peeling with J3. Man, there are some awful players on Sky. It's when they are awful and lucky though, that makes me want to chew my face off. Gl Mr Melt, please stay away from my MTT tables, ta.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    ...and hhyftrftdr to play the winner??
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