In Response to Re: New SnG promotion : Thanks for the reply B L, sorry but i'm a bit confused, if you play a £5 dym and finnish 3rd is that classed as a win as you are winning the same cash as the winner ?. Posted by tomo_efc
It is return on investment. You get the same amount of money in a DyM for 1st/2nd/3rd so it doesn't matter where you finish. Obviously in a standard SnG the payout structure is different
It does look decent. I only see one flaw. Maybe it isn't a flaw, but I'd have it so that your best 30 stake streak counts. At the moment, if someone smashes it in the first 30 games they won't play any more for fear of ruining their roi. We should at least see a lot more traffic in the smallest stakes. A tiered approach to stakes would improve traffic for all stakes. Posted by chicknMelt
So SkySam ignored what you and AceGooner's concern - I'm surprised more people don't see it as a concern because I certainly do.
30 games is an incredibly small sample size and it would be very possible to attain a 70% ROI over that small a sample if you run well. The fact that it's only 30 games as well will convince everyone to have a go and play the minimum of 30 games before stopping. This means there will be a ton of people with a 30 game sample and there is bound to be 6 people in that sample which will have ran well and these 6 people without a doubt will be the ones that win the promo. Nobody who plays more than 50+ games is going to win this promo, I can almost guarantee it. Certainly not someone that's played 100 games or more will win it.
If a few of us on this forum can spot this big glaring hitch, how does no-one that thinks up these promotions that work for sky forsee this problem???
In Response to Re: New SnG promotion : So SkySam ignored what you and AceGooner's concern - I'm surprised more people don't see it as a concern because I certainly do. 30 games is an incredibly small sample size and it would be very possible to attain a 70% ROI over that small a sample if you run well. The fact that it's only 30 games as well will convince everyone to have a go and play the minimum of 30 games before stopping. This means there will be a ton of people with a 30 game sample and there is bound to be 6 people in that sample which will have ran well and these 6 people without a doubt will be the ones that win the promo. Nobody who plays more than 50+ games is going to win this promo, I can almost guarantee it. Certainly not someone that's played 100 games or more will win it. If a few of us on this forum can spot this big glaring hitch, how does no-one that thinks up these promotions that work for sky forsee this problem??? Posted by F_Ivanovic
We all agree on that... but it's only a few days and designed to encourage new and low volume players.
Over the course of these few days, it's not ideal. In any repeat of the format, hopefully it will be segmented. It absolutely should be. This is definitely an improvement on previous sng promo efforts, despite its flaws.
We need to encourage sky to reproduce this promo in future with the necessary tweaks.
Is not good for someone like me. I cant play 100+ games a day. I have a young family and work 6 days a week. So if I run well through 30 games and have a chance of winning then im all for it. Its very hard for players like me to be even close too a leaderboard so ill be happy if I see my name on one for a change. This way it isnt just the usual suspects who get thousands apon thousands of points a month. It means everyone has a chance. So if us smaller players run well for these 30 games why shouldn't we be up there.
Is not good for someone like me. I cant play 100+ games a day. I have a young family and work 6 days a week. So if I run well through 30 games and have a chance of winning then im all for it. Its very hard for players like me to be even close too a leaderboard so ill be happy if I see my name on one for a change. This way it isnt just the usual suspects who get thousands apon thousands of points a month. It means everyone has a chance. So if us smaller players run well for these 30 games why shouldn't we be up there. Posted by Chris_Mc
If it was done as we're suggesting, you wouldn't be disadvantaged. It would be done in 30 game segments. So the ROI of your first 30 games would be "banked" and then you could start on another 30 game portion. Only your best would count.
That would avoid discouraging people from playing high volume while still allowing lower volume players a chance.
The BOTP format is the benchmark. That's segmented into 20 games - as well as a high volume 100 game grouping - and tiered to avoid reducing the numbers playing higher stakes games. That's the format that probably should be imitated in the long run.
I think it is a great promotion but also fairly obvious that no one playing 100 games + has a chance of winning. I will play 30 games, see where I stand on the leaderboard and if im in the top 6 il lock up, if im near the top 6 i will play 20 more games and see if i can hit a streak and if im still no where near il just give up. Maybe in the future it would be better to just judge it on the longest winning streak as that will guarantee way more action especially in DYMs and id find that more appealing, if you run bad for the first 10 games you play in this promo then you may as well give up which is a shame.
People who play 30x DYMs are unlikely to win imo, a very long winning streak would be required in your first 30 games to get in the top 6. After that you'd have to stop playing, if you don't your ROI will regress to the mean.
30x 6-max SnGs is the way to go, that's what I'll be trying
8 x 1st and 1x 2nd are needed to break-even. That leaves another 21 games to try and build a decent ROI.
Nice promotion and reward scheme imo. Not that I stand a chance, but thanks Sky. Always nice to have [albeit the slimmest] a chance of winning something for nowt. Reading through this thread, some people would complain if they won the lottery and it wasn't a rollover week.
Nice promotion and reward scheme imo. Not that I stand a chance, but thanks Sky. Always nice to have [albeit the slimmest] a chance of winning something for nowt. Reading through this thread, some people would complain if they won a packet of Twiglets and it wasn't a rollover week. Posted by Macacgirl1
Hello Sky Will this be based on ROI by percentage or cash.? eg : top 6 win via ROI percentage top 6 win via ROI cash percentage PS...BTW people.......who are going on about the 30 games scenario....I`ts 30 OR MORE) Thanks for your reply. Posted by footsie66
This is misunderstanding the issue. It's not a problem that playing more than 30 will disqualify you from contention. The problem is that playing many, many games naturally reduces your ROI if you had a good start. Variance evens out over time and, while it's possible to maintain a high ROI for a brief period, it's very much more difficult over a long period.
So the issue is that the promotion currently favours run-good in the first 30 games over long-term performance. The promotion also discourages players from playing many more than 30 games if they have a good start and makes playing beyond those first games meaningless if those 30 do not go well.
Nice promotion and reward scheme imo. Not that I stand a chance, but thanks Sky. Always nice to have [albeit the slimmest] a chance of winning something for nowt. Reading through this thread, some people would complain if they won the lottery and it wasn't a rollover week. Posted by Macacgirl1
It's not complaining, it's pointing out potential flaws so that they can be remedied in future...
I think it's easily the best promotion I've seen on sky. It just needs one or two little tweaks.
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Success />>>> Volume.
Would like to see HU sngs promoted but probably too much scope for collusion in something like this. 1 for the future maybe.
Is it just HLHE or are all formats included? The are some PLO8 guys with insane roi's who will go in as favourites.
Is there any chance of seeing a prize structure and blind structure for the final SNG? I assume all places will be paid?
Cheers, gl all.
The roi for winning a DYM is 82%
Of course, the standard sng's are tougher to win.
Over the course of these few days, it's not ideal. In any repeat of the format, hopefully it will be segmented. It absolutely should be. This is definitely an improvement on previous sng promo efforts, despite its flaws.
We need to encourage sky to reproduce this promo in future with the necessary tweaks.
That would avoid discouraging people from playing high volume while still allowing lower volume players a chance.
The BOTP format is the benchmark. That's segmented into 20 games - as well as a high volume 100 game grouping - and tiered to avoid reducing the numbers playing higher stakes games. That's the format that probably should be imitated in the long run.
It's the first sit n go promo, give it a chance.
I agree that 30 is abit low, but it gives everyone a chance which is what it is designed to do.
Maybe there is some way that the people who play more would be rewarded but no idea what. Maybe add 0.1 or 0.05 roi for every extra game over 30 ?
Sounds like a really decent promo from what I've read so far.
Is the 5k prize pool split amongst the top 100? Or is it only the top 6?
30x 6-max SnGs is the way to go, that's what I'll be trying
8 x 1st and 1x 2nd are needed to break-even. That leaves another 21 games to try and build a decent ROI.
Reading through this thread, some people would complain if they won the lottery and it wasn't a rollover week.
So the issue is that the promotion currently favours run-good in the first 30 games over long-term performance. The promotion also discourages players from playing many more than 30 games if they have a good start and makes playing beyond those first games meaningless if those 30 do not go well.
I think it's easily the best promotion I've seen on sky. It just needs one or two little tweaks.
If I fluke a golden run and hit the final table, can I have a years supply of twiglets instead please?
No way.
You get one of these.
PS - "See" you tonight. The DYM's were GREAT fun last night!