will be giving this a go prob be nowhere near top 6 but gotta be in it to be win it . I actually used to play a lot sng`s on another site a few years ago before I got into cash.
In Response to Re: New SnG promotion : Can you please elaborate on my question sam .. Thank you for you for your time and help. This makes me decide which stake levels I play Posted by footsie66
In Response to Re: New SnG promotion : Thanks for the clarification....so stakes are obsolete in this challenge ( good for everyone) ,I can now play .50p 6 max tables SNG and build the percentage to astronomical levels I HOPE....:=) .. sure I can win 30 on the bounce ....Cough! Posted by footsie66
Stakes are only obsolete if the rake is the same.
50p DYM = 50p + 10p (so 20% rake)
£3 DYM = £3 + 30p (so 10% rake)
So if you played 10 x £3s and won 7 your ROI would be higher than if you played 10 x 50ps and won 7.
The promo doesn't work, if anything it will make people play less - not more. If someone achieves say a 40% roi over their first 30 games, they simply won't play anymore games till the end of the month and lock their score.
Anyone who plays 50+ games doesn't have a chance. The more you play, the more your ROI drops (providing you had an early streak).
If anything it should be your best 30 game sample over the promo
The promo doesn't work, if anything it will make people play less - not more. If someone achieves say a 40% roi over their first 30 games, they simply won't play anymore games till the end of the month and lock their score. Anyone who plays 50+ games doesn't have a chance. The more you play, the more your ROI drops (providing you had an early streak). If anything it should be your best 30 game sample over the promo Posted by KinichAhau
In Response to Re: New SnG promotion : You have categorically said that you cannot play more than fifty games and win. You simply have no basis to say that. Posted by Slipwater
Comical.. It was an example, not an exact figure. But saying that i would bet my BR that no one that plays over 50 games will be in the top 6
In Response to Re: New SnG promotion : Comical.. It was an example, not an exact figure. But saying that i would bet my BR that no one that plays over 50 games will be in the top 6 Posted by KinichAhau
I have to agree. The more you play the less likely you can win simple as that really.
There should have been a different section for DYMs as reg 6 max sit and goes you could get 100% roi over a 30 game sample, dyms is impossible to gain this.
I will be playing so I will try some reg sit and goes and if I go on a streak I will stop for the month, play exactly 30 and see where I am.
It is almost certainly gonna be won by someone who plays 30 games or VERY close to 30 Slip.
There's probably gonna be 200+ people easily who end up playing 30 SnGs. Just through basic averages there's a very good chance that over the course of 30 SnGs, 6 people from that big a player group will probably have a sick ROI from their first 30 games. Given it's free entry to a £5k GTD SnG, it would be pretty nuts to play on and damage your chances of winning entry.
Having said that, it ticks pretty much ALL the boxses.
1) There is no advantage for low or high volume players
2) There is no advantage for low or high stakes players
3) Everyone is in with a shot
4) It will increase liquidity on SnGs*
5) It rewards skill**
*People are saying it won't but it will. For a start most people who really wanna go for it are gonna be playing 'regular' SnGs cos ROIs are better and these never run so you're gonna have 200+ people (imo) all trying to get at least 30 games in and they've only got 2 weeks to do it. IIRC it's hard enough to get 1 game going, so you probably aint gonna be suddenly 6tabling them, it's gonna take a fair bit of time to get 30 games in so I think there will be pretty steady traffic on them for the last 2 weeks of March deffo. After that of course it might go back to normal, who knows, maybe people will get a taste for them, realise the lower rake (at micros) and better ROIs that are attainable v DYMs and action might increase a bit.
**There will be a lot of rungood involved but Phil Galfond would still have a MUCH better chance of getting a sick ROI in his first 30 games than someone awful... I dunno, like AceGooner Luck will be involved, but a lot of skill will deffo increase your chances.
Excellent promo sky, I think people are forgetting its a promo! Its free money people! People who grind sit n go's can still grind them, enjoy the extra volume of players, make your edge count, so many people moan, thinking that its their godgiven right that promos should be aimed at them.
Sky are trying to bring players onto this site, there have been posts that cash games are scarce andthis promo could spread onto the cash games!
So what if you could luckbox a good roi! Isn't that the fun of the promo!
I started the thread and glad to see a lot of contributors. Some I agree with and some I dont.
Remember 30 is still a lot considering its only over two weeks and I for one think that this is a good thing. Why? Because 30 is do-able for a lot of players that can only play a few times a week and its only fair its open to as many players as possible. Far too many promos are stacked in favour of players that play both high volume and high stakes.
This is the first promo that gives EVERYONE a chance. Yes, someone can run like god over that sample size, but doesn't that make it more exciting and do-able for a lot of players?
Also, doing it over 30 (not more or a best streak) also means players that play a high volume can still play on and not worry that their ROI will (inevitably) go down and level out the more they play.
I still think its the best structured promo yet, and one in a format that doesnt usually get anything.
I have a few queries. My main query is, is it total roi or average roi. If it's total roi as the formula suggests then I think you might have a big problem. One player wins a £50 game and then plays 29, 60pence games....huge total roi. Not so high average roi if they lose the 29, 60p games. If it is total roi hopefully this will be reworded as average roi so you can avoid this before it kicks off.
I agree also with most of the posts I think it should be best average roi over 30 consecutive games. Im pretty sure sharkscope has a tool that can display this (assuming your stats arent hidden).
Also am I right in presuming that six max also includes dyms?
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Fantastic idea, Sky Folk. It seems to be really well thought out too. I'll definitely be giving this one a go
50p DYM = 50p + 10p (so 20% rake)
Is there any advantage at different stakes,or is it a level playing field,no matter what stakes you play?
From the sites POV they should've made it clear that only the first 30 sngs you play count for the promotion.
That way sng grinders are free to grind on as usual afterwards.
It's the promo equivalent of an allin sat, as the luck required to get a top 6 place is huge.
But it sounds fun because everyone has a chance. The volume required is very low, and even the worst player on the site can godmode over 30 games.
Just think it's abit of a fail IF the intention was to increase sng liquidity (short and long term).
There should have been a different section for DYMs as reg 6 max sit and goes you could get 100% roi over a 30 game sample, dyms is impossible to gain this.
I will be playing so I will try some reg sit and goes and if I go on a streak I will stop for the month, play exactly 30 and see where I am.
There's probably gonna be 200+ people easily who end up playing 30 SnGs. Just through basic averages there's a very good chance that over the course of 30 SnGs, 6 people from that big a player group will probably have a sick ROI from their first 30 games. Given it's free entry to a £5k GTD SnG, it would be pretty nuts to play on and damage your chances of winning entry.
1) There is no advantage for low or high volume players
*People are saying it won't but it will. For a start most people who really wanna go for it are gonna be playing 'regular' SnGs cos ROIs are better and these never run so you're gonna have 200+ people (imo) all trying to get at least 30 games in and they've only got 2 weeks to do it. IIRC it's hard enough to get 1 game going, so you probably aint gonna be suddenly 6tabling them, it's gonna take a fair bit of time to get 30 games in so I think there will be pretty steady traffic on them for the last 2 weeks of March deffo. After that of course it might go back to normal, who knows, maybe people will get a taste for them, realise the lower rake (at micros) and better ROIs that are attainable v DYMs and action might increase a bit.