thank you very much for your feedback on my recent hand submittions. I Will address each of what you guys are saying:-
1) SHakinAces.
"It seems like you still have a huge mental block around losing that is stopping you playing as optimally as you could"
Yeh, I think I probably do, as I seem to play very differently on Sky to what I normally do when I am playing say for example on either poker-stars or DTD online. Yes I know that alot of the games I play there are merely play money tables but I have found on Star's the standard is quite respectable when it comes to MTT's and S&G's and feel these are very good for honing my skills - I've often spent many enjoyable hours on there, rebuilding my confidence following a bad sky-run and then found I am firing up sky, taking part in my DYM's and crushing them.
You speak of BR and such. Yes it's a tough one because I'm playing on WON Prize money alone at the moment and really want to keep up my record of not having to deposit, as I haven't done since joining back in march, as most of play has come from the welcome bonus and successes in MTT's.
I currently have an in-ability to deposit if I wanted to because I'm not working ATM, but even if I was I'd want to build up a big healthy saving to put down and maximise the advantage of the 1st deposit bonus, which I feel I'd be wasting if i deposited a small amount such as £10.
EVERYONE has eluded to "taking risks" in order to make progress within a tourney, and I guess I'm "Calling the kettle-pot black" because seemily being nitty at these stages, and yet at times I took a flip earlier on in order to build up my stack to where it was when I left the game...so yeah I like your thinking of ok if I lose, it's just GG, shrug the shoulders and move onto the next, bit Like I often do at DYM's.."Okay I lost that one, it's gone, i'll just go and reg myself for another and win that instead!" why am I not using this mentality for MTT's??? I ask myself this one..as like I said above, I often do this when playing on stars, so I need to bring THAT mentality to Sky!
"to me it seems like you are focussing your attention on the wrong thing - outlasting a % of the
field as often as possible"
GARYLAUD
Yes, I think at times I would seem to be getting trapped into making that transition from the style I am used to playing when taking part in a 50/50 S&G (DYM as they are known here) where the name of the game is survival, to the style of an MTT where you have to pick your spot to take the intiative. Perhaps I should rail one or two good players in a Bounty-Hunter (Mrsduck would spring to mind) or even perhaps Peter27, who appears to be of a similar standard to me, but clearly with access to a bigger BR, and watch how they play.
I say peter, because he's found a niche for his game and is enjoying alot of good runs in the 2-20 "rainman". I've played like 3x DTD Monday deepstack's and enjoyed deep runs in them alot of the time (I am also considering the other night's of the week as there is a similar MTT which runs at the same kick-off time, also for £1.10 which is a comfy amount given my BR, and it's only two DYM win's without fail and I've covered that evening's entertainment - I covered 50% of last night's B/in tonight already with a good session!)
Mrsduck is another player I admire, as she's had alot of success with the bounty hunters (aka Knockouts) on Sky and I feel I can also learn a bit from watching her - perhaps during the time's im not playing I should rail a bit more eh!?
If you don't already have accounts with the (vermin) 'big 6' then there should be plenty of buying money opportunities avalaible to you for the world cup.
You'd have some BR tied up for about a month but then you could add the proceeds to your roll here.
You need to take all the advice your given onboard!! watch some videos on youtube, from the wsop or final tables where they show the hole cards, thats a great way to learn.
Inevitably your going to have to deposit, if you havent got the money withdraw what you got and dont play until you have funds your able to lose, you will learn poker from the times you lose - when you lose it clearly effects you in a bad way, that shouldnt ever be the case that means your playing above your remits.
You are playing scared and thats a losing way to play !!
AQ hand theres 1400 chips in the pot you only need another 600 to call?? you understand the maths/odds side of poker
perhaps during the time's im not playing I should rail a bit more eh!? Posted by GaryLaud
I'm sure there a bunch of people on here that would be happy to let you rail them through a combo of joinme/skype and be able to watch their play / ask questions about specific spots.
I'd volunteer myself but, aside from only playing micro BH tournis, I have too many bad habits that you don't need to be learning! Happy to share if you ever build up a roll for another crack at cash.
Building on the free money option noted above - if you have the ability to deposit there is a ream of risk-free money that can be made by opening accounts via an online referal company (like quidco: http://www.quidco.com/user/87102/1858560/) which could be used to build a roll to then deposit on here.
Most of these offer free money for signing up (albeit it may take up to 6 months for this to be paid to you), then free bets with the actual retailers... and most of these bets could be set up to be no-lose (ie bet team A to win with one company and team B to win with another).
People (including me lol) have earned hundreds from doing this and had a bit of fun on the way (with the free bets!)
You need to take all the advice your given onboard!! watch some videos on youtube, from the wsop or final tables where they show the hole cards, thats a great way to learn. Inevitably your going to have to deposit, if you havent got the money withdraw what you got and dont play until you have funds your able to lose, you will learn poker from the times you lose - when you lose it clearly effects you in a bad way, that shouldnt ever be the case that means your playing above your remits. You are playing scared and thats a losing way to play !! AQ hand theres 1400 chips in the pot you only need another 600 to call?? you understand the maths/odds side of poker Posted by alex1229
In Response to Re: GaryLaud's diary : I'm sure there a bunch of people on here that would be happy to let you rail them through a combo of joinme/skype and be able to watch their play / ask questions about specific spots. Posted by shakinaces
Now to respond to chickenmelt 2) CHickenmelt " to me it seems like you are focussing your attention on the wrong thing - outlasting a % of the field as often as possible" GARYLAUD Yes, I think at times I would seem to be getting trapped into making that transition from the style I am used to playing when taking part in a 50/50 S&G (DYM as they are known here) where the name of the game is survival, to the style of an MTT where you have to pick your spot to take the intiative. Perhaps I should rail one or two good players in a Bounty-Hunter (Mrsduck would spring to mind) or even perhaps Peter27, who appears to be of a similar standard to me, but clearly with access to a bigger BR, and watch how they play. I say peter, because he's found a niche for his game and is enjoying alot of good runs in the 2-20 "rainman". I've played like 3x DTD Monday deepstack's and enjoyed deep runs in them alot of the time (I am also considering the other night's of the week as there is a similar MTT which runs at the same kick-off time, also for £1.10 which is a comfy amount given my BR, and it's only two DYM win's without fail and I've covered that evening's entertainment - I covered 50% of last night's B/in tonight already with a good session!) Mrsduck is another player I admire, as she's had alot of success with the bounty hunters (aka Knockouts) on Sky and I feel I can also learn a bit from watching her - perhaps during the time's im not playing I should rail a bit more eh!? Posted by GaryLaud
Hi Gary, nice to see you taking on people advice.
regarding the limping preflop (not sure you pciked up on how important this is!)...
Limping is often seen as a way to see a cheap flop with a hand you dont want to commit many chips with by raising. the problem is, alot of the time you will get raised by someone else (especially if you start moving to bigger games) and you will be forced to call a raise or fold. so you didnt want to raise, but now you have to put the same amount of chips in anyway (at least!), or sacrifice the ones you have put in. all those times that you limp then fold add up, and lose you quite alot of money.
ok, so you can just call the raise, then you dont lose money by limp folding right? erm, no. you probably lose more. you call and see the flop, but around 2/3 of the time you miss the flop completely. now what? you check and fold to a continuation bet... more chips down the drain. The only time you can ever really win the pot is by hitting the best hand. or by running an often expensive bluff.
compare that to raising preflop - having the "betting lead" is actually quite important, because generally people will check to the preflop agressor, and they have a chance to take the pot down with a continuation bet - it doesnt matter if you dont have a good hand, you can still win the pot some of the time without a good hand
say you have a big hand and have been limping alot...what you gonna do now? limp again and risk going multi way to the flop? or raise and give away your hand strength?
good players see limping as a great big flag above your head saying "come and get my easy £££", they will often raise with weaker hands than normal, just so that they can get heads up in a pot with you, then pile on the pressure knowing you will miss the flop 2/3 of the time and fold
you can avoid all of this by doing one simple thing... raise every hand you want to play when first into the pot. You will be very hard pushed to find a proessinal player (from the last 5 yrs or so) that limps preflop, if my arguments werent enough already, that surely says it all!
please please please promise me you will try it, not limping when first into the pot.
it is a good idea to watch players you admire. even better to watch videos of professionals where you can see their hole cards, or watch training videos. Im sure there are some decent training videos knocking around youtube for free.
WEDS 11/6/14 - PLAYING FOR A SPOT IN THE MINI, ENDS IN A CLOSE CALL
Thanks you guys for all the good advice posted - a Good link "Rocky" which I'll get watching soon.
Just spent 90mins grinding away on the Mini FR, with top ten getting paid. had been doing quite well, but had taken a little bit of a beat before my exit hand. Shoved for like 8Bigs with a reasonable hand (AT). Oh my LIFE how poor can my timing get - what does my opponent turn over, but PAIRED ACES!!!!
Two pairs for me on the flop but I realised as soon as I see what the villain was holding who called my shove that it was GAME OVER.... Never mind at least I feel I played this one better, and finished exactly 10% of the field.
Still a bit gutting to miss out as I felt I was going to get my desired spot in the mini.
As the villain in Mr Gadget said "I'LL GET YOU GADGET! NEXT TIME!"
WEDS 11/6/14 - PLAYING FOR A SPOT IN THE MINI, ENDS IN A CLOSE CALL Thanks you guys for all the good advice posted - a Good link "Rocky" which I'll get watching soon. Just spent 90mins grinding away on the Mini FR, with top ten getting paid. had been doing quite well, but had taken a little bit of a beat before my exit hand. Shoved for like 8Bigs with a reasonable hand (AT). Oh my LIFE how poor can my timing get - what does my opponent turn over, but PAIRED ACES!!!! Two pairs for me on the flop but I realised as soon as I see what the villain was holding who called my shove that it was GAME OVER.... Never mind at least I feel I played this one better, and finished exactly 10% of the field. Still a bit gutting to miss out as I felt I was going to get my desired spot in the mini. As the villain in Mr Gadget said "I'LL GET YOU GADGET! NEXT TIME!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2_cJxYYhM Posted by GaryLaud
In Response to Re: GaryLaud's diary : Hi Gary, nice to see you taking on people advice. regarding the limping preflop (not sure you pciked up on how important this is!)... Limping is often seen as a way to see a cheap flop with a hand you dont want to commit many chips with by raising. the problem is, alot of the time you will get raised by someone else (especially if you start moving to bigger games) and you will be forced to call a raise or fold. so you didnt want to raise, but now you have to put the same amount of chips in anyway (at least!), or sacrifice the ones you have put in. all those times that you limp then fold add up, and lose you quite alot of money. ok, so you can just call the raise, then you dont lose money by limp folding right? erm, no. you probably lose more. you call and see the flop, but around 2/3 of the time you miss the flop completely. now what? you check and fold to a continuation bet... more chips down the drain. The only time you can ever really win the pot is by hitting the best hand. or by running an often expensive bluff. compare that to raising preflop - having the "betting lead" is actually quite important, because generally people will check to the preflop agressor, and they have a chance to take the pot down with a continuation bet - it doesnt matter if you dont have a good hand, you can still win the pot some of the time without a good hand say you have a big hand and have been limping alot...what you gonna do now? limp again and risk going multi way to the flop? or raise and give away your hand strength? good players see limping as a great big flag above your head saying "come and get my easy £££", they will often raise with weaker hands than normal, just so that they can get heads up in a pot with you, then pile on the pressure knowing you will miss the flop 2/3 of the time and fold you can avoid all of this by doing one simple thing... raise every hand you want to play when first into the pot. You will be very hard pushed to find a proessinal player (from the last 5 yrs or so) that limps preflop, if my arguments werent enough already, that surely says it all! please please please promise me you will try it, not limping when first into the pot. it is a good idea to watch players you admire. even better to watch videos of professionals where you can see their hole cards, or watch training videos. Im sure there are some decent training videos knocking around youtube for free. Posted by chicknMelt
Sorry only saw your chat just as i was checking exit hand +1 to see if i should have gone with it & another table opened so had to close table.I stuck that hand up in the sit & go section so you can get your own back on my play ;-)
I was practicing multi-tabling badly. Sorry only saw your chat just as i was checking exit hand +1 to see if i should have gone with it & another table opened so had to close table.I stuck that hand up in the sit & go section so you can get your own back on my play ;-) At least you out lasted me ;-((. Gl. Posted by belsibub
+1
Good to tangle with you again buddy! probably another session between 4-7pm tomorrow, then it's off to watch the footy! don't care if it's the hosts, it's world cup game #1, COUNT ME IN!
Nothing wrong with that exit hand, played spot on and just very ul to see one of the few hands that has you crushed. Poker is a simple game when you get to 10 BB or less and reduces your choices to shove or fold! Posted by shakinaces
+1 Shaky,
Yeah when I looked at my cards and spotted AT I thought that "These (chips) are going into the middle" bit suprising they turned over aces, but hey! S*** happens! Im guessing "so what" attitudes and playing with a little less fear are the reason why on Tuesday night I cash 3 from 4 DYM's and the other one I was pretty much out of it, when I lost a big pot.
Last night I was 50% win-rate, and was quite happy with that esp as two of the games I ended up being called away from my laptop and pretty much out of it in terms of chips when I was able to return..bit poor timing on my part starting/entering those two games when I did! Lol.
Hi,Gary. We just met in a 60p dym. I don't recall coming across you at the tables before but I shall read your diary with interest in future as there aren't many posters on the forum that I've played against.
Hi,Gary. We just met in a 60p dym. I don't recall coming across you at the tables before but I shall read your diary with interest in future as there aren't many posters on the forum that I've played against. For the record, we both cashed. Good luck at the tables. Posted by 4EVERGREEN
Good one to cash in that one, esp as we were all more or less even when the second elimination occured.. as pleasing as the ones where a comeback from just a few Big's to cash as well...did that earlier this week too..although I did get V Lucky in a couple of spots!
In Response to Re: GaryLaud's diary : Good one to cash in that one, esp as we were all more or less even when the second elimination occured.. as pleasing as the ones where a comeback from just a few Big's to cash as well...did that earlier this week too..although I did get V Lucky in a couple of spots! Posted by GaryLaud
Very difficult to win without getting a bit of luck somewhere along the way. In this particular game I got lucky when the bubble boy played a poor hand in a very strange way against my pocket jacks. You're right about comebacks being pleasing, one of my happiest memories is coming back from 65 chips with blinds of 25 50, with 5 players left, to cash in second place. The poker gods were certainly on my side that time.
Many thanks for the add me as a friend request, happy to accept.
Not sure how often we'll encounter each other on the tables, I work a night shift so usually only play in the afternoon and then only 60p dyms but I look forward to our next meeting.
Comments
I'd volunteer myself but, aside from only playing micro BH tournis, I have too many bad habits that you don't need to be learning! Happy to share if you ever build up a roll for another crack at cash.
Building on the free money option noted above - if you have the ability to deposit there is a ream of risk-free money that can be made by opening accounts via an online referal company (like quidco: http://www.quidco.com/user/87102/1858560/) which could be used to build a roll to then deposit on here.
Most of these offer free money for signing up (albeit it may take up to 6 months for this to be paid to you), then free bets with the actual retailers... and most of these bets could be set up to be no-lose (ie bet team A to win with one company and team B to win with another).
People (including me lol) have earned hundreds from doing this and had a bit of fun on the way (with the free bets!)
Poker is a simple game when you get to 10 BB or less and reduces your choices to shove or fold!
For the record, we both cashed.
Good luck at the tables.
You're right about comebacks being pleasing, one of my happiest memories is coming back from 65 chips with blinds of 25 50, with 5 players left, to cash in second place. The poker gods were certainly on my side that time.
Many thanks for the add me as a friend request, happy to accept.
Not sure how often we'll encounter each other on the tables, I work a night shift so usually only play in the afternoon and then only 60p dyms but I look forward to our next meeting.
Cheers mate
Ian
Keep it friendly please guys and don't get all sweary and personal.
Good luck everyone.