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aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
edited June 2015 in Poker Chat



hi all,

i am able to make a contribution to the forum by way of a review of events. 

as an illustration, the tables below show performances in december (up to tuesday 16) for all the £1,000+ guaranteed games.

in total, there have been 7,660 players in 188 games.

for the points system i use a scale that ranges from 1 to 10 and includes participation, top half, bubble, cash, final table and winner categories.


pos Points played score win FT cash bubble
1 kc8 148 326 1 6 16  
2 terrytwomore 112 291 1 7 21 1
3 nslater112 100 245   8 14 2
4 Ozzy1000 76 232   1 20  
5 GSmith13 72 221 1 6 13  
6 SoLack 78 218   7 13 1
7 MattBates 70 203 2 5 9 4
8 wi03 74 203   2 12  
9 banana10 76 200 1 3 8 2
10 POKEY2011 61 197   3 13 2
pos Winnings (£) played buy-ins returns
1 jawzindawz 55 1,117.75 7,730.82
2 weesambo91 3 176.00 5,459.77
3 StayOrGo 57 1,881.00 4,160.56
4 MrStarch1 3 231.00 3,446.45
5 kosb14 8 247.50 3,271.25
6 andrew1947 39 952.50 3,209.95
7 SoLack 78 2,717.00 3,136.55
8 PhilAny2_Q 58 1,903.00 3,088.67
9 SUPERSNEDD 29 759.25 2,918.96
10 MattBates 70 2,623.50 2,776.33
pos Cashes played no
1 terrytwomore 112 21
2 Ozzy1000 76 20
3 kc8 148 16
4 natry20111 54 15
5 jawzindawz 55 15
6 NooGooood 59 15
7 nslater112 100 14
8 StayOrGo 57 13
9 POKEY2011 61 13
10 Tsaaaar 64 13
pos Heads played no
1 kc8 148 258
2 nslater112 100 127
3 terrytwomore 112 110
4 kettle9930 54 98
5 ROBINAYR 61 92
6 poker69 70 88
7 jawzindawz 55 84
8 MattBates 70 82
9 LmfaoAllin 68 81
10 shirley02 54 77
pos Bubble played no
1 MattBates 70 4
2 ChipsFool2 36 3
3 POKEOFFU 46 3
4 moonhead71 8 2
5 POKERTREV 20 2
6 HITMAN_RV 22 2
7 MacMonster 34 2
8 Fat_Uncle 49 2
9 Savvy_79 51 2
10 bar4004 57 2



 
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  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited December 2014


    and for the whole year...

    there have been 36,695 players in 2,992 tournaments.

      Points played score win FT cash bubble
    1 MattBates 1,648 4,521 36 134 247 32
    2 DivsDreams 1,192 3,325 15 99 196 25
    3 SoLack 1,151 3,258 16 91 194 17
    4 TommyD 1,123 3,215 27 86 196 18
    5 terrytwomore 1,284 3,192 14 73 205 5
    6 PhilAny2_Q 1,086 3,036 24 86 170 8
    7 smith1408 1,091 3,008 5 39 162 6
    8 high_tea 1,331 2,979 17 52 150 5
    9 chicknMelt 1,044 2,965 11 78 166 14
    10 poker69 1,073 2,819 11 69 167 10
      Winnings (£) played buy-ins returns
    1 MattBates 1,648 56,855.00 78,609.31
    2 DivsDreams 1,192 38,771.25 66,170.68
    3 TommyD 1,123 41,262.75 52,764.89
    4 SoLack 1,151 43,346.75 52,160.28
    5 PhilAny2_Q 1,086 38,068.25 45,048.01
    6 jordz16 822 25,224.00 40,660.95
    7 jawzindawz 864 18,606.00 36,772.63
    8 chicknMelt 1,044 34,524.00 36,655.83
    9 darsum333 601 24,766.75 33,997.42
    10 gazzaluf05 489 20,938.50 33,930.76
      Cashes played no
    1 MattBates 1,648 247
    2 terrytwomore 1,284 205
    3 DivsDreams 1,192 196
    4 TommyD 1,123 196
    5 SoLack 1,151 194
    6 PhilAny2_Q 1,086 170
    7 poker69 1,073 167
    8 chicknMelt 1,044 166
    9 smith1408 1,091 162
    10 banana10 1,050 160
      Heads played no
    1 MattBates 1,648 1,664
    2 terrytwomore 1,284 1,399
    3 nslater112 1,116 1,305
    4 high_tea 1,331 1,274
    5 poker69 1,073 1,227
    6 DivsDreams 1,192 1,052
    7 PhilAny2_Q 1,086 1,023
    8 Fat_Uncle 732 1,022
    9 ROBINAYR 788 1,008
    10 SoLack 1,151 953
      Bubble played no
    1 MattBates 1,648 32
    2 DivsDreams 1,192 25
    3 TommyD 1,123 18
    4 SoLack 1,151 17
    5 jordz16 822 15
    6 chicknMelt 1,044 14
    7 nslater112 1,116 12
    8 nicknat118 901 11
    9 poker69 1,073 10
    10 POKEOFFU 449 10




     
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  • ShaunyTShaunyT Member Posts: 619
    edited December 2014
    Great thread.

    And I like all the different tables of stats.

    Are you gonna keep this up on a monthly basis in the coming year?
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited December 2014
    nice work

    although i don't like the scoring system, but then you know that anyway. 
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  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    Great thread. And I like all the different tables of stats. Are you gonna keep this up on a monthly basis in the coming year?
    Posted by ShaunyT

    thanks shauny.

    no pkans other than producing the year totals.



     
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  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    nice work although i don't like the scoring system, but then you know that anyway. 
    Posted by GELDY

    thanks gelds.


    ps.  there are five tables.  four tables are totally factual, the fifth is 90% factual.  the scoring of points is appropriate for the purpose. 

    pps   even though you don't know the scoring system be assured that it is simple and rates performance including cashes and is fit for purpose.



     
      
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  • jordz16jordz16 Member Posts: 2,253
    edited December 2014
    Awesome tables, nice work.
    A little bit worried that the table i finished highest on is the bubble table, always knew i ran awfully :P
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  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited December 2014


    Matthew Bates by The Jam

    I am a dull and simple lad
    Cannot tell water from champagne
    and I have never met the Queen
    And I wish I could have all he has got -
    I wish I could be like matthew bates
    And when I lie on my pillow at night
    I dream I could fight like matthew bates
    And lead the school team to victory
    Take my exams and pass the lot
     
    He is the head boy at the school
    He is the captain of the team
    He is so gay and fancy free
    And I wish I could have all he has got
    I wish I could be like matthew bates
     
    And all the girls in the neighbourhood
    Try to go out with matthew bates
    The try their best but can't succeed
    For he is of pure and noble breed 


     
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  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    Awesome tables, nice work. A little bit worried that the table i finished highest on is the bubble table, always knew i ran awfully :P
    Posted by jordz16

    thanks jordz

    ps.   i proved to myself that you are a fine player.




     
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  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,533
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    Matthew Bates by The Jam I am a dull and simple lad Cannot tell water from champagne and I have never met the Queen And I wish I could have all he has got - I wish I could be like matthew bates And when I lie on my pillow at night I dream I could fight like matthew bates And lead the school team to victory Take my exams and pass the lot   He is the head boy at the school He is the captain of the team He is so gay and fancy free And I wish I could have all he has got I wish I could be like matthew bates   And all the girls in the neighbourhood Try to go out with matthew bates The try their best but can't succeed For he is of pure and noble breed    
    Posted by aussie09

    That's pushing it a bit far!
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  • mrsduckmrsduck Member Posts: 1,901
    edited December 2014
    I want to go out with Matthew Bates! ;)

    Ps Nice tables :)
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    I want to go out with Matthew Bates! ;) Ps Nice tables :)
    Posted by mrsduck
    Flat shoes only.
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  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    I want to go out with Matthew Bates! ;) Ps Nice tables :)
    Posted by mrsduck

    thank you mrsD




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  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,697
    edited December 2014
    2015 resolution: learn to use Excel.
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  • Nuggy962Nuggy962 Member Posts: 1,104
    edited December 2014
    Love this shows poker is a skill game.

    We'll done all winners, some unreal returns there!!
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  • ChallakChallak Member Posts: 23
    edited December 2014
    Great stats there, good work!
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * * : thanks gelds. ps.  there are five tables.  four tables are totally factual, the fifth is 90% factual.  the scoring of points is appropriate for the purpose.  pps   even though you don't know the scoring system be assured that it is simple and rates performance including cashes and is fit for purpose.     
    Posted by aussie09
    might be worth checking your code, unless it's meant to have an anti TommyD function. also are your stats inclusive or exclusive? ie when you say FT is that all FT's or just those where it wasn't a win.

    3SoLack1,1513,258169119417
    4TommyD1,1233,215278619618
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited December 2014
    Nice stats. Bit of spare time on your hands Aussie?

    Not to bang this drum again, but I think some of the above backs up why your points system perhaps isn't optimal.

    If we look at the points totals for the whole of 2014....

    It's clear to see imo that it's not 'right' that TommyD is 4th behind Solack. Tommy has more cashes (albeit only by 2), he's 5 behind Solly in terms of number of FTs but is an absolute mile ahead in terms of MTT wins which is obviously the hardest thing to do. Maybe it's an error in the formulae somewhere cos I can't even figure out what the points distribution must be for those figures to work out that way... even if it was a case of 'quantity over quality' i.e. you didn't want to weight it too heavily in favour of wins over FTing, TommyD still has more FTs and wins combined than Solly does (and more cashes) but finishes lower.

    It's less clear cut but I also think looking at those stats it's pretty clear that Tommy should be ranked higher than DivsDreams too. Ok Tommy is 13 FTs behind Divs, but then he is 12 wins ahead of him, and surely no one can possibly dispute that 12 outright wins is WAYYYYY more impressive than 13 FTs?

    I didn't comment on the whole UKOPS player of the series cos I just think it's so hard to come up with a system everyone will be happy with, and I didn't have any better ideas than what had already been suggested, but just thought I'd point out that above are two pretty big flaws imo. For instance, if the table above was the actual figures for UKOPS, and we assume MattBates doesn't exist, if I was TommyD and I saw that table published, with those stats, and I didn't win player of the series, I'd think it was pretty outrageous.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited December 2014
    Just realised the total winnings table for 2014 must be wrong too. If Bates has outlayed 56k and won 78k, then that's 22k profit (give or take), but Divs is showing as 38k outlay with 66k winnings so 28k profit (give or take), yet he's behind Matt.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited December 2014
    terrytwomore is the best. 
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: * * * £1,000+ guarantee leagues * * *:
    Just realised the total winnings table for 2014 must be wrong too. If Bates has outlayed 56k and won 78k, then that's 22k profit (give or take), but Divs is showing as 38k outlay with 66k winnings so 28k profit (give or take), yet he's behind Matt.
    Posted by Lambert180
    Table is ordered in winnings ie returns, irrespective of buy-ins.

    So I don't think it is "wrong" just would be ordered differently if it was profit - I believe divs has been more profitable in MTTs on sky this year than Mr Bates.

    As for the points - Aussie hasn't stated what the formula is

    Is it weighted towards the bigger events?
    Are there graded points for 2-6th?

    But without seeing the formual cant really say.
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