So the suggestion that the RNG has some issues goes out the window. Sky poker must be perfect then. My mistake. First n last post on this forum. I make most of my money live anyway. Why do I even care. Happy Holidays. Posted by Gamer11
100percent - It must be difficult when you're a losing player, maybe you need to look at your own game or the type of games you're playing. By your Sharkscope records you seem to play a lot of Turbo SNG's and timed tournaments, these tend to be more loose, that's the nature of the beast. I realise that not everyone has a few hours to spend on poker but the type of games you play will generally play out differently.
If you think a huge corporation like Sky would fix hands then who are they fixing them to? Why would Sky risk such a thing to benefit one player over another? If you play enough games you will see most sequences and results of hands. Play the players not the cards, look at the way your playing and if you're not getting the results then change something or get some tuition, many people on here will help you if you post some hands (maybe not me as I'm only average).
Its not random .......... if you think it is you are disillusioned ..... it is programmed to put out certain sequences that change given certain cards coming down. This has already been proven and that only live dealt cards are indeed random. TK tell me I'm wrong ?
Its not random .......... if you think it is you are disillusioned ..... it is programmed to put out certain sequences that change given certain cards coming down. This has already been proven and that only live dealt cards are indeed random. TK tell me I'm wrong ? Posted by goldon
1. Different sites use different RNG and algorithms but with the same goal - to achieve a fair poker game as true to the real game with a real deal. My suggestion that sky's could need improving gets gunned down as a joke. So much for discussion.
2. I never said the hands were fixed. If I felt that to be true I would get my evidence and take it down a legal route than discuss it here.
3. Every algorithm for any poker sites have their downfalls no matter how much the site works to minize it. If there was a site that could actually produce random hands then everyone would be playing there. So no site is perfect.
4. Why comment if you have nothing good to say? Firstly, thank you Steve (kalooki8) for your perspective. I probably do see a lot more looser players and play the variance a lot more with less reward for it playing SNG. But like you notice its hard for me to find 3-4 hours for a tournament. Secondly, if players come here frustrated at the site, dont' you think it would be better to show them something that would help them instead of just defending your precious sky poker like it was God sent. Well I hate to break the news to you...but there are better sites and worser sites than sky...it aint the holy grail.
5. I enjoy sky poker and I am not a losing player and I have never seen a negative balance. I guess I was just frustrated over the Christmas that when I thought I might have time to play a little more poker I got swamped with family and found myself with less time. So maybe I was rushing my game a little when I was playing and got to see a little more hands than usual and got the worst end of the variance on that occasion.
- But its nice to know if ever I have any issues there is a bag of jokers on the forums to discuss them with. So thank you for a quick lesson learnt not to bother again with this forum. And I hope the next frustrated player that comes along, you sad people will have something better to say than your sly jokes for your sad little giggles.
Hi Gamer11 "The nature of the Beast" I play here knowing its not perfect, by any means and (like you ) put my money in and am entitled to come onto this thread and express my opinion. If others don't like it they to are able to say why. Please do not be bullied by certain people telling you your wrong. This Question of randomness has been discussed over many years in Area 51 (as it was then known) and by many players more inteligent than me, and the majority of opinion was Sky was more random than most sites but not perfectly random. As I have said before in this thread only live dealt cards can be truly called random. Because they are not Computer generated. ? my op.
Hi Gamer11 "The nature of the Beast" I play here knowing its not perfect, by any means and (like you ) put my money in and am entitled to come onto this thread and express my opinion. If others don't like it they to are able to say why. Please do not be bullied by certain people telling you your wrong. This Question of randomness has be discussed over many years in Area 51 (as it was then known) and by many players more inteligent than me, and the majority of opinion was Sky was more random than most sites but not perfectly random. As I have said before in this thread only live dealt cards can be truly called random. Because they are not Computer generated. ? my op. Posted by goldon
It is more easier to fix live cards as there can be human error.
If a program is programmed to RNG then it cant go wrong.
In Response to Re: Fixing the river : It is more easier to fix live cards as there can be human error. If a program is programmed to RNG then it cant go wrong. Posted by stuarty117[/QUOTE
You 10 per %er Can't deal from the bottom of the pack or the middle.! burn card,! Know which I would trust more for being random. It's what it is "Marmite"
In Response to Re: Fixing the river : It is more easier to fix live cards as there can be human error. If a program is programmed to RNG then it cant go wrong. Posted by stuarty117
4. Why comment if you have nothing good to say? Firstly, thank you Steve (kalooki8) for your perspective. I probably do see a lot more looser players and play the variance a lot more with less reward for it playing SNG. But like you notice its hard for me to find 3-4 hours for a tournament. Secondly, if players come here frustrated at the site, dont' you think it would be better to show them something that would help them instead of just defending your precious sky poker like it was God sent. Well I hate to break the news to you...but there are better sites and worser sites than sky...it aint the holy grail.
Hi Golden, in reference to your comments above, I have no allegiances to Sky and have had my own frustrations with them on occasions. I choose to have an account as I like 6 handed tournaments and I like to have 1 account for football / horse racing and poker. I took the time to reply in order to help not make any clever remarks. I don't for one minute believe that there is software out there that is totally perfect and can be as random as live play. There are however players on every site that get through this fact and make good profits which is why I made the remark of looking at your game or the games you play. I used to play many of the main events but I wasn't good enough so I now stick to lesser MTT's where I can generally hold my own
@Op you need to send an email to skypokersupport, quoting your account name, a decent sob story, and in title quote, URGENT ACCOUNT MODIFICATIONS. Then ask nicely if they'd be willing to boomswitch you, and if so how long the waiting list is, maybe if you grease their palms, they'll shift you up a few places in the list!
In all seriousness though, there can be 2 outcomes, you don't trust the validity of sky poker or any other poker, and why should you right, Don't play online poker. Don't do online shopping, Don't follow any religion, Don't cross without a green light. Don't place orders at a takeaway that is highly rated, that you have never tried before. Don't buy the lottery. Don't vote for x factor, Don't vote in elections. Don't buy ready meals.
At some point you either have to concede that like most things in life, you aren't in a position to be able to be certain they are real, either take it with a pinch of salt and carry on, or hermit up and never do anything. I'm not saying don't be critical, I love cynicysm, however cynicysm without sufficient data is just a conspiracy theory.
Get better at poker to reduce variance, Play a tighter style, or play a different format liek double or nothings, that you can only win or lose a set amount.
I'd say good luck at the tables, but instead i'll say may the odds for ever be in your favour, or something.
@Op you need to send an email to skypokersupport, quoting your account name, a decent sob story, and in title quote, URGENT ACCOUNT MODIFICATIONS. Then ask nicely if they'd be willing to boomswitch you, and if so how long the waiting list is, maybe if you grease their palms, they'll shift you up a few places in the list! In all seriousness though, there can be 2 outcomes, you don't trust the validity of sky poker or any other poker, and why should you right, Don't play online poker. Don't do online shopping, Don't follow any religion, Don't cross without a green light. Don't place orders at a takeaway that is highly rated, that you have never tried before. Don't buy the lottery. Don't vote for x factor, Don't vote in elections. Don't buy ready meals. At some point you either have to concede that like most things in life, you aren't in a position to be able to be certain they are real, either take it with a pinch of salt and carry on, or hermit up and never do anything. I'm not saying don't be critical, I love cynicysm, however cynicysm without sufficient data is just a conspiracy theory. Get better at poker to reduce variance, Play a tighter style, or play a different format liek double or nothings, that you can only win or lose a set amount. I'd say good luck at the tables, but instead i'll say may the odds for ever be in your favour, or something. Posted by BarrattG1
"Live" poker is absurdly easy to fix, & any person who has played any amount of Live poker will confirm that.
I've seen.....
Dealing off the bottom of the pack.
Cards being marked, neccessating a deck change as many as 3 times in an hour. This happens every day in every B & M cardroom.
A 56 card deck in a £1,000 GUKPT which went un-noticed for an hour, until two of us tabled EXCTLY the same hand - we were both holding A-Q of spades. How do you retrospectively correct that?
Dodgy dealers.
Cardrooms "skimming" off the rebuys. I have proven this in 3 separate cardrooms.
Ask ANY player who has played significant amount of Live Poker, they will all have seen these things.
"Live" poker is absurdly easy to fix, & any person who has played any amount of Live poker will confirm that. I've seen..... Dealing off the bottom of the pack. Cards being marked, neccessating a deck change as many as 3 times in an hour. This happens every day in every B & M cardroom. A 56 card deck in a £1,000 GUKPT which went un-noticed for an hour, until two of us tabled EXCTLY the same hand - we were both holding A-Q of spades. How do you retrospectively correct that? Dodgy dealers. Cardrooms "skimming" off the rebuys. I have proven this in 3 separate cardrooms. Ask ANY player who has played significant amount of Live Poker, they will all have seen these things. Posted by Tikay10
The Casino has dealers taking cards from a shoe now, they do not hold the cards anymore to be able to deal from the bottom, you must be talking about (back room) poker or sky UkOPs is in question.? I only play on here for fun and not grumbling, only saying players that feel the rng is against them have the right to question it. Old players go and new arrive so it will alway be on the agenda. Live poker is in front of you ..... (on line) is programmed by people and the information reproduced. Like players playing Chess against the Computer the moves are programmed. I like to think I'm reasonable player but stats say other wise but I enjoy trying to predict next cards and even though I know whats coming still can't resist call the allin.! If a new player keeps losing with good hands they are bound to think something is wrong. This is the place ( is it not ) to vent their feelings.
In Response to Re: Fixing the river : The Casino has dealers taking cards from a shoe now, they do not hold the cards anymore to be able to deal from the bottom, you must be talking about (back room) poker or sky UkOPs is in question.? I only play on here for fun and not grumbling, only saying players that feel the rng is against them have the right to question it. Old players go and new arrive so it will alway be on the agenda. Live poker is in front of you ..... (on line) is programmed by people and the information reproduced. Like players playing Chess against the Computer the moves are programmed. I like to think I'm reasonable player but stats say other wise but I enjoy trying to predict next cards and even though I know whats coming still can't resist call the allin.! If a new player keeps losing with good hands they are bound to think something is wrong. This is the place ( is it not ) to vent their feelings. Posted by goldon
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First n last post on this forum. I make most of my money live anyway. Why do I even care.
Happy Holidays.
If you think a huge corporation like Sky would fix hands then who are they fixing them to? Why would Sky risk such a thing to benefit one player over another? If you play enough games you will see most sequences and results of hands. Play the players not the cards, look at the way your playing and if you're not getting the results then change something or get some tuition, many people on here will help you if you post some hands (maybe not me as I'm only average).
Good luck on the tables for the future
Steve
2. I never said the hands were fixed. If I felt that to be true I would get my evidence and take it down a legal route than discuss it here.
3. Every algorithm for any poker sites have their downfalls no matter how much the site works to minize it. If there was a site that could actually produce random hands then everyone would be playing there. So no site is perfect.
4. Why comment if you have nothing good to say? Firstly, thank you Steve (kalooki8) for your perspective. I probably do see a lot more looser players and play the variance a lot more with less reward for it playing SNG. But like you notice its hard for me to find 3-4 hours for a tournament. Secondly, if players come here frustrated at the site, dont' you think it would be better to show them something that would help them instead of just defending your precious sky poker like it was God sent. Well I hate to break the news to you...but there are better sites and worser sites than sky...it aint the holy grail.
5. I enjoy sky poker and I am not a losing player and I have never seen a negative balance. I guess I was just frustrated over the Christmas that when I thought I might have time to play a little more poker I got swamped with family and found myself with less time. So maybe I was rushing my game a little when I was playing and got to see a little more hands than usual and got the worst end of the variance on that occasion.
- But its nice to know if ever I have any issues there is a bag of jokers on the forums to discuss them with. So thank you for a quick lesson learnt not to bother again with this forum. And I hope the next frustrated player that comes along, you sad people will have something better to say than your sly jokes for your sad little giggles.
Gamer Out!!
As I have said before in this thread only live dealt cards can be truly called random. Because they are not Computer generated. ? my op.
Hi Golden, in reference to your comments above, I have no allegiances to Sky and have had my own frustrations with them on occasions. I choose to have an account as I like 6 handed tournaments and I like to have 1 account for football / horse racing and poker. I took the time to reply in order to help not make any clever remarks. I don't for one minute believe that there is software out there that is totally perfect and can be as random as live play. There are however players on every site that get through this fact and make good profits which is why I made the remark of looking at your game or the games you play. I used to play many of the main events but I wasn't good enough so I now stick to lesser MTT's where I can generally hold my own
All the best
Steve
In all seriousness though, there can be 2 outcomes, you don't trust the validity of sky poker or any other poker, and why should you right, Don't play online poker. Don't do online shopping, Don't follow any religion, Don't cross without a green light. Don't place orders at a takeaway that is highly rated, that you have never tried before. Don't buy the lottery. Don't vote for x factor, Don't vote in elections. Don't buy ready meals.
At some point you either have to concede that like most things in life, you aren't in a position to be able to be certain they are real, either take it with a pinch of salt and carry on, or hermit up and never do anything. I'm not saying don't be critical, I love cynicysm, however cynicysm without sufficient data is just a conspiracy theory.
I'd say good luck at the tables, but instead i'll say may the odds for ever be in your favour, or something.
"Live" poker is absurdly easy to fix, & any person who has played any amount of Live poker will confirm that.
I've seen.....
Dealing off the bottom of the pack.
Cards being marked, neccessating a deck change as many as 3 times in an hour. This happens every day in every B & M cardroom.
A 56 card deck in a £1,000 GUKPT which went un-noticed for an hour, until two of us tabled EXCTLY the same hand - we were both holding A-Q of spades. How do you retrospectively correct that?
Dodgy dealers.
Cardrooms "skimming" off the rebuys. I have proven this in 3 separate cardrooms.
Ask ANY player who has played significant amount of Live Poker, they will all have seen these things.
This is the place ( is it not ) to vent their feelings.
poker dealers dont deal from a shoe
So Sky poker Ukops in Feb will be suspect?