In Response to Re: Fixing the river : So Sky poker Ukops in Feb will be suspect? Posted by goldon
You believe live poker dealing is more random than online dealing.
you believe that dealing from a shoe is more random than not dealing from a shoe.
You believe that live poker deals from a shoe.
Live poker is not dealt from a shoe.
Therefore in your belief system the randomness of ukops-dealing will reside somewhere between online-poker-dealing and a non-existent way of dealing in live games. So dodgy as, innit.
As an aside the idea that something can be "more random" is strange. Either something is random or it isn't. It's a bit like saying one thing is more unique or perfect than another.
In Response to Re: Fixing the river : The Casino has dealers taking cards from a shoe now, they do not hold the cards anymore to be able to deal from the bottom, you must be talking about (back room) poker or sky UkOPs is in question.? I only play on here for fun and not grumbling, only saying players that feel the rng is against them have the right to question it. Old players go and new arrive so it will alway be on the agenda. Live poker is in front of you ..... (on line) is programmed by people and the information reproduced. Like players playing Chess against the Computer the moves are programmed. I like to think I'm reasonable player but stats say other wise but I enjoy trying to predict next cards and even though I know whats coming still can't resist call the allin.! If a new player keeps losing with good hands they are bound to think something is wrong. This is the place ( is it not ) to vent their feelings. Posted by goldon
They do?
A shoe?
As in Blackjack?
How does that work then? I'm trying to imagine how poker could be dealt from a shoe. Where does that happen, what Casino or Cardroom?
And when you play online you "know what's coming"? You must be a very rich man then.
4. Why comment if you have nothing good to say? Firstly, thank you Steve (kalooki8) for your perspective. I probably do see a lot more looser players and play the variance a lot more with less reward for it playing SNG. But like you notice its hard for me to find 3-4 hours for a tournament. Secondly, if players come here frustrated at the site, dont' you think it would be better to show them something that would help them instead of just defending your precious sky poker like it was God sent. Well I hate to break the news to you...but there are better sites and worser sites than sky...it aint the holy grail. Hi Golden, in reference to your comments above, I have no allegiances to Sky and have had my own frustrations with them on occasions. I choose to have an account as I like 6 handed tournaments and I like to have 1 account for football / horse racing and poker. I took the time to reply in order to help not make any clever remarks. I don't for one minute believe that there is software out there that is totally perfect and can be as random as live play. There are however players on every site that get through this fact and make good profits which is why I made the remark of looking at your game or the games you play. I used to play many of the main events but I wasn't good enough so I now stick to lesser MTT's where I can generally hold my own All the best Steve Posted by kalooki8
Hi Steve. I was not being sarcastic with my "thank you". You were the only one who had something helpful to say AND I have gone as far as to take your advice on board and reduce my SNG and try find time to play more tournaments so when variance goes my way I am rewarded more heavily than the need to win many SNG in a row. So genuinely .... thank you Steve
Also I would like to add by saying I do like sky poker and the tournament styles. I really love 6 seater tournaments so this is my favourite place. I will also take on the very good advice that nothing is perfect but you have to take it all with a pinch of salt. I have already been able to turn a small profit with my old selection of games so hopefully with a few tweeks I can improve on it even further.
Also I play mostly cash tables in casinos and fortunately have not come across any dodgy live dealings. But with that said I am one of those annoying players who sits down wins a few big hands and is gone before anyone can remember the colour of my shirt. I guess bottom line is...nothing is perfect, but you just have to dig deep and keep looking to improve if you want to keep a winning way about you. Thank you to those who advised.
p.s. Arsenal to beat Newcastle at 1/3 has got to be worth a good stake. They must have the southampton whooping still fresh in their mind if they try underestimate newcastle. Good luck all and thanks again.
In Response to Re: Fixing the river : Hi Steve. I was not being sarcastic with my "thank you". You were the only one who had something helpful to say AND I have gone as far as to take your advice on board and reduce my SNG and try find time to play more tournaments so when variance goes my way I am rewarded more heavily than the need to win many SNG in a row. So genuinely .... thank you Steve Emad Posted by Gamer11
4. Why comment if you have nothing good to say? Firstly, thank you Steve (kalooki8) for your perspective. I probably do see a lot more looser players and play the variance a lot more with less reward for it playing SNG. But like you notice its hard for me to find 3-4 hours for a tournament. Secondly, if players come here frustrated at the site, dont' you think it would be better to show them something that would help them instead of just defending your precious sky poker like it was God sent. Well I hate to break the news to you...but there are better sites and worser sites than sky...it aint the holy grail. Hi Golden, in reference to your comments above, I have no allegiances to Sky and have had my own frustrations with them on occasions. I choose to have an account as I like 6 handed tournaments and I like to have 1 account for football / horse racing and poker. I took the time to reply in order to help not make any clever remarks. I don't for one minute believe that there is software out there that is totally perfect and can be as random as live play. There are however players on every site that get through this fact and make good profits which is why I made the remark of looking at your game or the games you play. I used to play many of the main events but I wasn't good enough so I now stick to lesser MTT's where I can generally hold my own All the best Steve Posted by kalooki8
My problem is when two people are all in pre flop and one hand is dominated by the other by having one card covered. The way I play I believe that if you read someone and they push all in and you call with a hand that covered them. You have made a good pre flop call. e.g. Fish pushes Ace rag and you call with AK-AJ to see you called it right and he has A8 or something similar. My question is, in all my years of playing live and on various websites, why is it that on sky, the underdog will win far more often than they should. In these situations there is only 3 cards in the entire deck that can save them, while you have options that would kill them off, and also with the chance that no one hits and your kicker cleans up. It is around 25% chance they will beat you and I respect that. That does not mean that one in four times you will lose. That means each time the player has a 25% chance which does not improve with each hand he gets dominated on. What I simply mean is a coin is 50/50 for tails or heads. It means each time you flip each side has a 50% chance of winning. It does not mean that over the course of 10 hands, there will be 5 tails and 5 heads. However, on sky it seems that underdogs have a much more higher percentage and that is poor. The RNG needs improving in my opinion because it is no good enough in trying to replicate the random cards of a real deal. It almost works against. Im not the type of player that likes pre flop allins, unless with AA really, but when I do read a player and I do make the right call, I am punished more than I am rewarded. And this mainly happens on sky over ALL other places I have played on. Any thoughts or advise on why that is? Posted by Gamer11
My problem is when two people are all in pre flop and one hand is dominated by the other by having one card covered. The way I play I believe that if you read someone and they push all in and you call with a hand that covered them. You have made a good pre flop call. e.g. Fish pushes Ace rag and you call with AK-AJ to see you called it right and he has A8 or something similar. My question is, in all my years of playing live and on various websites, why is it that on sky, the underdog will win far more often than they should. In these situations there is only 3 cards in the entire deck that can save them, while you have options that would kill them off, and also with the chance that no one hits and your kicker cleans up. It is around 25% chance they will beat you and I respect that. That does not mean that one in four times you will lose. That means each time the player has a 25% chance which does not improve with each hand he gets dominated on. What I simply mean is a coin is 50/50 for tails or heads. It means each time you flip each side has a 50% chance of winning. It does not mean that over the course of 10 hands, there will be 5 tails and 5 heads. However, on sky it seems that underdogs have a much more higher percentage and that is poor. The RNG needs improving in my opinion because it is no good enough in trying to replicate the random cards of a real deal. It almost works against. Im not the type of player that likes pre flop allins, unless with AA really, but when I do read a player and I do make the right call, I am punished more than I am rewarded. And this mainly happens on sky over ALL other places I have played on. Any thoughts or advise on why that is? Posted by Gamer11
I play on lots of tables with you Gamer and I completely agree with you. its not in your head as others have said. something does need to change, getting your chips in and being well in front should in the long run reward you for good calls and good play and make you profitable even if only slightly.
In Response to Re: Fixing the river : I play on lots of tables with you Gamer and I completely agree with you. its not in your head as others have said. something does need to change, getting your chips in and being well in front should in the long run reward you for good calls and good play and make you profitable even if only slightly. Posted by The_Ruiner
im suprised you think like this m8 you,ve got a good game.
losing on the river happens to us all and selective memory means we remember those sick river beats,it happens in spells too sometimes they just seem to last forever when actually they don,t. run hot/run cold thats how it is for average players
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A shoe?
As in Blackjack?
How does that work then? I'm trying to imagine how poker could be dealt from a shoe. Where does that happen, what Casino or Cardroom?
And when you play online you "know what's coming"? You must be a very rich man then.
Here's a "shoe".
I think you are having a little sport with us.
Happy New Year.
If I were a rich man fiddle diddle diddle de ...........
Happy New Year
Emad
Also I play mostly cash tables in casinos and fortunately have not come across any dodgy live dealings. But with that said I am one of those annoying players who sits down wins a few big hands and is gone before anyone can remember the colour of my shirt. I guess bottom line is...nothing is perfect, but you just have to dig deep and keep looking to improve if you want to keep a winning way about you. Thank you to those who advised.
p.s. Arsenal to beat Newcastle at 1/3 has got to be worth a good stake. They must have the southampton whooping still fresh in their mind if they try underestimate newcastle. Good luck all and thanks again.
something does need to change, getting your chips in and being well in front should in the long run reward you for good calls and good play and make you profitable even if only slightly.