In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread : ? I posted above my thoughts, then you said you might get angry in that situation and said anger might be taken off the table too. This suggests that you have the problem if you can't control your emotions, and I'd have said this regardless of who the poster was. Posted by hhyftrftdr
You made a personal comment about me which has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion.
Being angry doeasn't mean you cant control your emotions, It is an emotion just like being happy or sad is.
IMO its like diving in football, the rewards are so great and the punishment so lax you can understand why they do it, i guess he just felt he was maxing out his verbal edge, its the rule-makers fault if anything, give him a chip deduction or disqualification and i doubt he would do it again, but a 1 orbit penalty for getting someone to make a crucial fold was well worth it im sure.
In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread : You made a personal comment about me which has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. Being angry doeasn't mean you cant control your emotions, It is an emotion just like being happy or sad is. Posted by MrJoeBlogs
Right.
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With you Jordan, something I alluded to that getting a fold and a minor punishment was much better than following the TD's directions but her potentially calling.
After watching plenty of poker on you tube, when a player postures and gestures , they mostly havent got it. Posted by chilling
Yes quite often players give more away than they gain. Will is quite good at getting the result he wants, but I've also seen pro's let him hang his self through his own speech.
They are playing down to 27 players today, and there's been a flurry of early eliminations, The first hour or so has seen 13 bustouts, including one Brit, Jason McConnon from Manchester when he shoved with top pair top kicker but unfortunately his opponent had flopped a set and that was bye bye Jason. He finished 78th for just over $80K.
67 left and counting.
David Lhonore (without an apostrophe today) and Will Kassouf have lost a few, Andrew Christoforou picked up a few and both Elliot Peterman and Max Silver have gained over a million chips so far today.
From the transcript I dont think it counts as intimidation. Its what jamie Gold did back in the day, and its entertaining as **** for the neutral. Ive played with him a few times, and overall, for me he gave his hand away more than once when asked the right questions. This was a few years ago, so i'm sure he's improved his speech play.
I hope he makes final table, it could be one of the most watchable ever.
Another 45 minutes nearer the November Nine and it's still good signs for British players. No eliminations, Matthew Moss did need to go all in but got the double up through Qui Nguyen and then took a chunk of Antoine Saout to move all the way up to 4th.
The three ahead of him are Vornicu, Wong and Michael Ruane who moved up after Kenny Hallaert took a hit.
All Americans, all earn $116K 63. Tyler Hancock 62. Caufman Talley 61. Cole Jackson 60. Brian Yoon 59. Robert Park 58. Jasthi Kumar
We've lost one of the British contingent, Tom Middleton who ended up as the 56th placed finisher. He got his chips in good with Jacks against the pocket 10s of Mike Shin, but three spades on the flop and another on the turn gave the American a flush and just like that, Middleton's main event run was over
57. Gorki Oliviera (BRA) 56. Tom Middleton (GBR) 55. Dietrich Fast (AUT) 54. Adi Abugazal (USA) - first player at the next payout level of $142K
Jerry Wong has moved in to the chip lead, with Shin using Middy's chips to show in second and Matthew Moss continuing to climb in 3rd. Will Kassouf has been quiet (in more ways than one so far today but has moved back into the Top 5 with Messrs Peterman, L'Honore (apostrophe back!) and Christoforou clusted just inside the top 20. Max Silver is treading water and Sergi Reixach is now short stacked but has doubled up once through Chris Klodnicki.
Guy with the aces is extremely good, defo one of the best around. He had position on me last years day1 of the main event. Never felt so uncomfortable at a poker table. Lovely guy, just far too good for me!
In Response to Re: The WSOP 2016 Thread : You did also say. " I don't have any problem with Will, or his antics, it's just his style, & away from the table he is a kind & gracious man. I dont really think it's right that you can say it's ok in 1 event and not another. Posted by MrJoeBlogs
Think we'll agree to disagree there Joe. It matters to me greatly that recreational players enjoy their poker & don't get bullied, intimidated, or abused, & I've always held that line.
However, when we get to the last 100 or so in the WSOP Main, I actually do think it's different - most of these guys are pros or semi pros, & are playing to the very limit of the rules to give themselves an edge.
I also remain very strongly of the view that we MUST protect the integrity of the game, & when the TD gives a ruling, we obey it. If I were a TD & a player defied my ruling 3 times, I would - most definitely - disqualify him or her. That may seem harsh, but they'd never defy me again. Luckily for all concerned, my chances of becoming the WSOP TD are even less than my chances of winning a WSOP Bracelet.
So what happed between midnight our time and the forming of the final 27?
53. Pavil Karakikov 52. Farhad Jamasi 51. Jesse Cohen 50. Tony Gregg 49. Jan Suchanek 48, Andrei Konopelko 47. Matthew Reed
46. Sergi Reixach. The long-time UK resident from Spain got it in dominated (AJ to Cliff Joseph's AQ) and the flop rubbed it in when a Queen appeared.
Ladder to $17K
45. Chris Klodnicki (no bracelets but over $8 million in live earnings) 44. Chang Luo 43. Paul Hoefer (2015 bracelet winner) 42. Mitchell Watson 41. Ronald Giles 40. Jason Les (9th cash of the series)
That took the players up to the dinner break. I'm going to take a small break of my own and the happenings from 39 to 27 will follow shortly.
Great stuff FCHD. Your WSOP thread is becoming as synonymous with summer as Wimbledon.
Really in two minds about Will Kassouf. Proper character and was fun when he came on the show as a guest. Great to see a Brit doing well in the main. And he doesn't seem unpleasant off the table.
That being said, I'd feel upset if I was in his opponent's position in that hand. I think there's a line with speech play especially at such an important level and he might have crossed it by ignoring the TD.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but it's clear as daylight now that he had no hand whatsoever and was desperate to get her to fold. So job done in that respect and hats off to him. I don't think he'll be able to get away with it a second time though with the remaining players!
On return from the dinner break, 12 of the 39 were going to end up disappointed and 27 players were to move on to Day 7. Plenty of British interest, and some interesting names from the rest of the world as well.
39. Daniel Retallick in a dramatic hand with Michael Ruane. Ruane had Queens, Retallick had KJ which vaulted to the top after two kings appeared on the flop. His moment of enjoyment was short lived however after the Queen of Hearts broke Retallick's heart by appearing on the turn.
38. Tony Bracy - fairly straightforward and, his A10 couldn't catch up Mike Shin's AJ when the money went in on an Ace high flop
37. Jonas Lauck. Lauck got his seat to the Main Event this year for free. How come? He was the bubble boy in last year's ME and as mentioned three days ago or so, the custom is to award the bubble boy a free seat as a consolation. He certainly took advantage to the tune of $172K. His exit hand was a short stacked hand with KJ on a Ace high flop, shame for him that Michael Nivinski had flopped top two pairs.
There was then a ladder to $216K
36. Carlton Tartar. He was in for a triple up when short stacked with 7s, but Joshua Weiss's eights held up and it was ta-ta to Tartar.
35. Alex Keating. All in with AJ, he couldn't win a flip against David L'Honore's pocket nines. Watch out on the ESPN footage when it airs for "beard cam" - Keating has a very bushy beard and the network installed a tiny camera in the beard during one of the breaks to get some unusual angles.
34. Hari Bercovici. Another player who got short stacked, found a pocket pair (eights) and shoved. He was looked up by Vojtech Ruzicka with K2 and of course a King came on the flop.
33. Max Silver. Sorry for whoever it was who had a bet on Max making the FT, he came up just a few players short. The important hand wasn't the exit hand (Q8 against John Cynn's KJs, Max went ahead when an Eight came on the flop but Cynn's back door flush draw got there), but a hand a few minutes earlier when he called a Dan Colman shove with nines but unfortunately for him the American had tens and neither improved. This was Silver's 10th cash of the year, but his elimination as removed him from the Player of the Year race.
32. Lance Keating. A textbook cooler - his Kings came up against Joshua Weiss's Aces and of course all the money went in. Weiss covered Keating by just 100K chips. An Ace on the flop sealed the deal.
31. Dan Colman. After eliminating Silver, Colman lost a few hands in quick succession the last of which came on a turn shove with top pair, but Fernando Pons also had top pair but with an Ace Kicker. The 2014 Big One for One Drop winner was busted, and at least it spared us all for the awkward moment if he won it and Kara Scott appeared to ask him for an interview.
An hour or so of no eliminations bust out before the sad news of:
30. David L'Honore. Preflop play was straightforward but the flop was an action one. The Brit had the nut flush draw and a gutshot, Vojtech Ruzicka had a set of nines. L'Honore missed all his outs on both the turn and the river and he was gone, with Ruzicka adding to his stack which then exceeded 100BB.
29. Almost simultaneously - Paul Volpe. Again a cooler which he couldn't get off - Queens against Aces. Volpe's four bet shove was snap-called by Thomas Miller. The board ran out K9669 and Volpe was gone. The departure of the winner of Event 15 (over a month ago now) meant that no-one left could now catch Jason Mercier and he was confirmed as 2016 WSOP Player of the year.
28. Elliot Peterman. After a lull, the last 3 bustouts of the night happened within about 10 minutes. Hertfordshire's Peterman became another victim of Ruzicka when the Czech's AK outflopped Peterman's Pocket Queens by hitting not just one of his two overcards but both of them. No queen, flush or straight appeared to aid Peterman and his ME was over and we were down to the last 3 tables.
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Being angry doeasn't mean you cant control your emotions, It is an emotion just like being happy or sad is.
They are playing down to 27 players today, and there's been a flurry of early eliminations, The first hour or so has seen 13 bustouts, including one Brit, Jason McConnon from Manchester when he shoved with top pair top kicker but unfortunately his opponent had flopped a set and that was bye bye Jason. He finished 78th for just over $80K.
67 left and counting.
David Lhonore (without an apostrophe today) and Will Kassouf have lost a few, Andrew Christoforou picked up a few and both Elliot Peterman and Max Silver have gained over a million chips so far today.
66. Maxim Sorokin (RUS)
65. Nicolas Fisher (GER)
64. Matthias Habernig (AUT)
All pick up $96787
That's a ladder point so the next player out will be the first to earn a 6-figure payday.
Tom Middleton has increased his stack by 50% recently and moved himself back in to the top half of the field.
Valentin Vornicu has regained the chip lead, but Jerry Wong and Kenny Hallaert are close behind.
No Brits in the immediate danger zone, but it's NLH so one clash of good hands and anything could happen.
The three ahead of him are Vornicu, Wong and Michael Ruane who moved up after Kenny Hallaert took a hit.
All Americans, all earn $116K
63. Tyler Hancock
62. Caufman Talley
61. Cole Jackson
60. Brian Yoon
59. Robert Park
58. Jasthi Kumar
We've lost one of the British contingent, Tom Middleton who ended up as the 56th placed finisher. He got his chips in good with Jacks against the pocket 10s of Mike Shin, but three spades on the flop and another on the turn gave the American a flush and just like that, Middleton's main event run was over
57. Gorki Oliviera (BRA)
56. Tom Middleton (GBR)
55. Dietrich Fast (AUT)
54. Adi Abugazal (USA) - first player at the next payout level of $142K
Jerry Wong has moved in to the chip lead, with Shin using Middy's chips to show in second and Matthew Moss continuing to climb in 3rd. Will Kassouf has been quiet (in more ways than one so far today but has moved back into the Top 5 with Messrs Peterman, L'Honore (apostrophe back!) and Christoforou clusted just inside the top 20. Max Silver is treading water and Sergi Reixach is now short stacked but has doubled up once through Chris Klodnicki.
http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/update/1VD4/carl-martel-eliminated-in-10th-place-after-three-way-all-in-35269/
Guy with the aces is extremely good, defo one of the best around. He had position on me last years day1 of the main event. Never felt so uncomfortable at a poker table. Lovely guy, just far too good for me!
10-10 v J-J v A-A, Jack on flop for a set, Ace on Turn for a set, Jack on river for quads.
We should bookmark that link, the next time someone comes on here & says online poker is rigged to produce "action hands".
I've seen some astonishing hands since I've been here. We even saw a fella folded quads two or three days ago.
Poker does not need to be rigged, or software tweaked to provide "action hands", it manages quite nicely without all that.
However, when we get to the last 100 or so in the WSOP Main, I actually do think it's different - most of these guys are pros or semi pros, & are playing to the very limit of the rules to give themselves an edge.
I also remain very strongly of the view that we MUST protect the integrity of the game, & when the TD gives a ruling, we obey it. If I were a TD & a player defied my ruling 3 times, I would - most definitely - disqualify him or her. That may seem harsh, but they'd never defy me again. Luckily for all concerned, my chances of becoming the WSOP TD are even less than my chances of winning a WSOP Bracelet.
Very interesting debate, this.
PS - have replied to your PM.
53. Pavil Karakikov
52. Farhad Jamasi
51. Jesse Cohen
50. Tony Gregg
49. Jan Suchanek
48, Andrei Konopelko
47. Matthew Reed
46. Sergi Reixach. The long-time UK resident from Spain got it in dominated (AJ to Cliff Joseph's AQ) and the flop rubbed it in when a Queen appeared.
Ladder to $17K
45. Chris Klodnicki (no bracelets but over $8 million in live earnings)
44. Chang Luo
43. Paul Hoefer (2015 bracelet winner)
42. Mitchell Watson
41. Ronald Giles
40. Jason Les (9th cash of the series)
That took the players up to the dinner break. I'm going to take a small break of my own and the happenings from 39 to 27 will follow shortly.
39. Daniel Retallick in a dramatic hand with Michael Ruane. Ruane had Queens, Retallick had KJ which vaulted to the top after two kings appeared on the flop. His moment of enjoyment was short lived however after the Queen of Hearts broke Retallick's heart by appearing on the turn.
38. Tony Bracy - fairly straightforward and, his A10 couldn't catch up Mike Shin's AJ when the money went in on an Ace high flop
37. Jonas Lauck. Lauck got his seat to the Main Event this year for free. How come? He was the bubble boy in last year's ME and as mentioned three days ago or so, the custom is to award the bubble boy a free seat as a consolation. He certainly took advantage to the tune of $172K. His exit hand was a short stacked hand with KJ on a Ace high flop, shame for him that Michael Nivinski had flopped top two pairs.
There was then a ladder to $216K
36. Carlton Tartar. He was in for a triple up when short stacked with 7s, but Joshua Weiss's eights held up and it was ta-ta to Tartar.
35. Alex Keating. All in with AJ, he couldn't win a flip against David L'Honore's pocket nines. Watch out on the ESPN footage when it airs for "beard cam" - Keating has a very bushy beard and the network installed a tiny camera in the beard during one of the breaks to get some unusual angles.
34. Hari Bercovici. Another player who got short stacked, found a pocket pair (eights) and shoved. He was looked up by Vojtech Ruzicka with K2 and of course a King came on the flop.
33. Max Silver. Sorry for whoever it was who had a bet on Max making the FT, he came up just a few players short. The important hand wasn't the exit hand (Q8 against John Cynn's KJs, Max went ahead when an Eight came on the flop but Cynn's back door flush draw got there), but a hand a few minutes earlier when he called a Dan Colman shove with nines but unfortunately for him the American had tens and neither improved. This was Silver's 10th cash of the year, but his elimination as removed him from the Player of the Year race.
32. Lance Keating. A textbook cooler - his Kings came up against Joshua Weiss's Aces and of course all the money went in. Weiss covered Keating by just 100K chips. An Ace on the flop sealed the deal.
31. Dan Colman. After eliminating Silver, Colman lost a few hands in quick succession the last of which came on a turn shove with top pair, but Fernando Pons also had top pair but with an Ace Kicker. The 2014 Big One for One Drop winner was busted, and at least it spared us all for the awkward moment if he won it and Kara Scott appeared to ask him for an interview.
30. David L'Honore. Preflop play was straightforward but the flop was an action one. The Brit had the nut flush draw and a gutshot, Vojtech Ruzicka had a set of nines. L'Honore missed all his outs on both the turn and the river and he was gone, with Ruzicka adding to his stack which then exceeded 100BB.
29. Almost simultaneously - Paul Volpe. Again a cooler which he couldn't get off - Queens against Aces. Volpe's four bet shove was snap-called by Thomas Miller. The board ran out K9669 and Volpe was gone. The departure of the winner of Event 15 (over a month ago now) meant that no-one left could now catch Jason Mercier and he was confirmed as 2016 WSOP Player of the year.
28. Elliot Peterman. After a lull, the last 3 bustouts of the night happened within about 10 minutes. Hertfordshire's Peterman became another victim of Ruzicka when the Czech's AK outflopped Peterman's Pocket Queens by hitting not just one of his two overcards but both of them. No queen, flush or straight appeared to aid Peterman and his ME was over and we were down to the last 3 tables.