Morning all. As most of you know by now, Sky Poker are revamping the MTT Schedule. It's well overdue, & has to be done, & once it is all sorted, the MTT schedule here will be better, more logically arranged & timed, & better presented. So if you have ANY questions, observations as & when changes happen, or, Heaven forbid, complaints, please post them on this thread. The Suits WILL read this thread daily, & if anything major arises during the changes, & you guys let us know, I'll send it straight upstairs. Doing it this way will be far more efficient for both sides of the table, & help us all - players & business alike - get through the MTT Revamp more comfortably, & I'll happily explain why any particular MTT has been moved, changed, re-packaged or dropped. It's a 2 way process - the players & The Business, Working together, we CAN make it better. And we will. Posted by Tikay10
I have made a couple of points on another thread, but not asked them as questions.
How many tournaments each day with a £22 or more buy in are not bounty hunters?
Why arent the starting stacks relative to the buy ins, ie £33, £55, and £110 buy ins all have a 5,000 chip starting stack.
In Response to MTT changes & discussion thread : I have made a couple of points on another thread, but not asked them as questions. How many tournaments each day with a £22 or more buy in are not bounty hunters? Why arent the starting stacks relative to the buy ins, ie £33, £55, and £110 buy ins all have a 5,000 chip starting stack. Posted by HAYSIE
The structure and levels are more important than an arbitrary starting stack figure no?
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : The structure and levels are more important than an arbitrary starting stack figure no? You want £110s to start with 15k+? Posted by hhyftrftdr
I was thinking more in terms of 10,000 as per the main event every Sunday prior to the changes.
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : The structure and levels are more important than an arbitrary starting stack figure no? You want £110s to start with 15k+? Posted by hhyftrftdr
And does practically every tournament have to be a bounty hunter?
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : I was thinking more in terms of 10,000 as per the main event every Sunday prior to the changes. Posted by HAYSIE
But thats the flagship weekly MTT for the site and understandably carries a different start stack to every other MTT in the schedule.
Agree about there being loads, maybe too many, bounty hunters but if its what the people want then it's what Sky are gonna do.
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : The structure and levels are more important than an arbitrary starting stack figure no? You want £110s to start with 15k+? Posted by hhyftrftdr
When we had the £110 on a Sunday with 10,000 starting chips which had been running for ages and seemed a good tournament, Sky brought in a £220 buy in on a Tuesday with only a 5,000 starting stack?
And now all the £110 buy ins just have a 5,000 starting stack.
I dont think that the structure or levels have changed.
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : When we had the £110 on a Sunday with 10,000 starting chips which had been running for ages and seemed a good tournament, Sky brought in a £220 buy in on a Tuesday with only a 5,000 starting stack? And now all the £110 buy ins just have a 5,000 starting stack. I dont think that the structure or levels have changed. Posted by HAYSIE
I'm really not sure what the point is? Should £55 DYMs start with 10k stacks and £5 DYMs start with the standard 2k?
I think the Roller is back from next month so will return as the flagship weekly MTT for the site boasting the biggest starting stack and longest structure.
You obviously equate buy in to start stack but I'm not sure they are mutually exclusive.
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : But thats the flagship weekly MTT for the site and understandably carries a different start stack to every other MTT in the schedule. Agree about there being loads, maybe too many, bounty hunters but if its what the people want then it's what Sky are gonna do. Posted by hhyftrftdr
You surely cant be arguing that it makes sense for Sky to take the Flagship event, that was run once per week, maintain the levels and structure, halve the starting stack, charge the same buy in, reduce the guarantee by one third, change the format to a bounty hunter, and run it every night?
The two main events every day start within 15 mins of each other of each other have practically the same levels, exactly the same starting stack, and buy ins of £33 and £110 respectively?
Bounty hunters seem to be popular, but just bounty hunters?
The rebuy seemed to be popular as did the cheap main event on a Tuesday.
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : You surely cant be arguing that it makes sense for Sky to take the Flagship event, that was run once per week, maintain the levels and structure, halve the starting stack, charge the same buy in, reduce the guarantee by one third, change the format to a bounty hunter, and run it every night? The two main events every day start within 15 mins of each other of each other have practically the same levels, exactly the same starting stack, and buy ins of £33 and £110 respectively? Bounty hunters seem to be popular, but just bounty hunters? The rebuy seemed to be popular as did the cheap main event on a Tuesday. Posted by HAYSIE
I really don't understand?
The Roller bears no relation to the nightly £110 BH I don't think? The latter is just for the January promo, I'm sure I've seen Tikay say elsewhere that the roller will be back as normal in February.
By comparing the £110 BH thats been introduced for this promo to the weekly roller is like comparing apples and pears. They are 2 totally seperate MTTs and just cos they share the same buy in (or fruit bowl) doesn't mean they should have identical levels, structures, guarantees or starting stacks.
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : You surely cant be arguing that it makes sense for Sky to take the Flagship event, that was run once per week, maintain the levels and structure, halve the starting stack, charge the same buy in, reduce the guarantee by one third, change the format to a bounty hunter, and run it every night? The two main events every day start within 15 mins of each other of each other have practically the same levels, exactly the same starting stack, and buy ins of £33 and £110 respectively? Bounty hunters seem to be popular, but just bounty hunters? The rebuy seemed to be popular as did the cheap main event on a Tuesday. Posted by HAYSIE
The two tournaments you've mentioned Haysie are part of the BH Champion promotion so I think ATM that in itself answers your question
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : I'm really not sure what the point is? Should £55 DYMs start with 10k stacks and £5 DYMs start with the standard 2k? I think the Roller is back from next month so will return as the flagship weekly MTT for the site boasting the biggest starting stack and longest structure. You obviously equate buy in to start stack but I'm not sure they are mutually exclusive. Posted by hhyftrftdr
What else could dictate the starting stack other than the buy in. At the WSOP they have a rigid formula where the starting stack for every single tournament is relative to the buy in. The main event having the largest starting stack and the costliest buy in. They also run tournaments with many different formats, rather than one particular type, which all seem to be quite popular.
So I think the points are as follows,
The tournament schedule was overdue for a review as Tikay stated.
The starting stacks should reflect the buy in. The bigger the buy in, the bigger the starting stack should be.
There should be tornaments of a different format available.
The structure and levels are designed to calculate the running time for each tournament.
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : What else could dictate the starting stack other than the buy in. At the WSOP they have a rigid formula where the starting stack for every single tournament is relative to the buy in. The main event having the largest starting stack and the costliest buy in. They also run tournaments with many different formats, rather than one particular type, which all seem to be quite popular. So I think the points are as follows, The tournament schedule was overdue for a review as Tikay stated. The starting stacks should reflect the buy in. The bigger the buy in, the bigger the starting stack should be. There should be tornaments of a different format available. The structure and levels are designed to calculate the running time for each tournament. Posted by HAYSIE
What they do over at the WSOP really shouldn't have much or any influence on what goes on at Sky poker. The ME at the WSOP isn't the costliest buy in either (think there are 3/4 events with higher buy ins off the top of my head), but it's their flagship event so it gets the longest structure. Just like the roller is the flagship event here and gets the longest structure, but equally it isn't the costliest MTT when Sky run the high roller £220 on a Tuesday.
I agree that there could be more variation in the tournaments offered (but Sky will argue the figures do the talking). I don't agree that the buy in should dictate the starting stack as they don't need to go hand in hand.
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : What they do over at the WSOP really shouldn't have much or any influence on what goes on at Sky poker. The ME at the WSOP isn't the costliest buy in either (think there are 3/4 events with higher buy ins off the top of my head), but it's their flagship event so it gets the longest structure. Just like the roller is the flagship event here and gets the longest structure, but equally it isn't the costliest MTT when Sky run the high roller £220 on a Tuesday. I agree that there could be more variation in the tournaments offered (but Sky will argue the figures do the talking). I don't agree that the buy in should dictate the starting stack as they don't need to go hand in hand. Posted by hhyftrftdr
If the buy in does not dictate the starting stack then what should?
Why on earth would you have two tournaments running side by side, with virtually the same structure and levels, the same starting stack, with one of them having a buy in of less than a third of the other.
I mentioned the WSOP as their their tournament buy ins are calculated on a completely logical basis. You get an exact number of chips per $100 of buy in. A system that seems sensible and logical. There have been times in the past when Sky have pretty much followed this logic.
Not sure what makes any tournament the flagship. Is it the biggest starting stack, the biggest buy in, the best value for money, the best guarantee, the biggest price pool,?
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : If the buy in does not dictate the starting stack then what should? Why on earth would you have two tournaments running side by side, with virtually the same structure and levels, the same starting stack, with one of them having a buy in of less than a third of the other. I mentioned the WSOP as their their tournament buy ins are calculated on a completely logical basis. You get an exact number of chips per $100 of buy in. A system that seems sensible and logical. There have been times in the past when Sky have pretty much followed this logic. Not sure what makes any tournament the flagship. Is it the biggest starting stack, the biggest buy in, the best value for money, the best guarantee, the biggest price pool,? Posted by HAYSIE
Wouldnt it just make sense to have 2,000 starting stack for every £22 tourmament, which is mostly the case anyway. 3,000 for every £33 tournament, 5,000 for £55, and 10,000 for every £110, and 20,000 for any £220.
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : Wouldnt it just make sense to have 2,000 starting stack for every £22 tourmament, which is mostly the case anyway. 3,000 for every £33 tournament, 5,000 for £55, and 10,000 for every £110, and 20,000 for any £220. Posted by HAYSIE
The WSOP shouldnt have world dominance on common sense.
Why should the buy in dictate the start stack? On Stars, all their 'big $xxx' tourneys start with 5k chips, be that the big $4.40 or the big $215 and all the ones inbetween.
The more expensive the MTT is the better the structure should generally be (IMO), but that means levels and structure and not necessarily the starting stack. You could kick off with 1million chips but if the first level is 25/50k then its not gonna be very good. Equally you could start with 1k and have the first level as 2/4 and it would play out quite nicely.
And as Scouse said above, the changes are just for this monthly promo surrounding BHs.
We obviously come at this from different angles and we're not gonna see eye to eye so I'll leave it there
Why should the buy in dictate the start stack? On Stars, all their 'big $xxx' tourneys start with 5k chips, be that the big $4.40 or the big $215 and all the ones inbetween. The more expensive the MTT is the better the structure should generally be (IMO), but that means levels and structure and not necessarily the starting stack. You could kick off with 1million chips but if the first level is 25/50k then its not gonna be very good. Equally you could start with 1k and have the first level as 2/4 and it would play out quite nicely. And as Scouse said above, the changes are just for this monthly promo surrounding BHs. We obviously come at this from different angles and we're not gonna see eye to eye so I'll leave it there Posted by hhyftrftdr
If it is not the buy ins that should dictate the starting stack, then what should? It surely shouldnt be pot luck?
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : If it is not the buy ins that should dictate the starting stack, then what should? It surely shouldnt be pot luck? Posted by HAYSIE
Imagine the scenario....
MTTx and MTTy both start at 8pm, both cost £55, both GTD at £10k, and both have 10 minute levels.
MTTx is a 1k start stack with blinds kicking off at 2/4 and increase accordingly
MTTy is a 1m start stack with blinds kicking off at 25k/50k and increase accordingly.
You are only allowed to reg one.....which one would you prefer to pay £55 to play?
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I have made a couple of points on another thread, but not asked them as questions.
When we had the £110 on a Sunday with 10,000 starting chips which had been running for ages and seemed a good tournament, Sky brought in a £220 buy in on a Tuesday with only a 5,000 starting stack?
You surely cant be arguing that it makes sense for Sky to take the Flagship event, that was run once per week, maintain the levels and structure, halve the starting stack, charge the same buy in, reduce the guarantee by one third, change the format to a bounty hunter, and run it every night?
If the buy in does not dictate the starting stack then what should?