have to say im bit annoyed with the change of 12pm to a bh i understand why but still dont think was given enough time to establish it self. there defo enough bh and this site imo and i loved when sky added comps like the reload gold rush 11/12 hypes and the rebuy on a sunday. but guess i am in the minority. But in gen love the new sched and keep up gd work sky.
Can I just mention that I LOVED the 30 player payout structure to the Sunday night major? Probably only because I managed to make min cash in it lol. I know the top 3 might disagree but there was more incentive for me to play it as didn't need to hit top 18 or 19 (or whatever average pay outs used to be).
have to say im bit annoyed with the change of 12pm to a bh i understand why but still dont think was given enough time to establish it self. there defo enough bh and this site imo and i loved when sky added comps like the reload gold rush 11/12 hypes and the rebuy on a sunday. but guess i am in the minority. But in gen love the new sched and keep up gd work sky. Posted by rspca12
Yo Dog Bloke,
All understood, yeah.
The fact is the players here can't get enough BH's - the figures prove that, again & again.
The new Rebuy performed dreadfully, too, as did that Hyper Turbo. We all have our own likes & dislikes, but the truth lies in the numbers, & they were really bad.
Personally - me, not the Business - I'd like to persevere with some of these, even at the expense of lower, less ambitious, Guarantees. The Business, I'm sure, will want that they maximise the peak traffic hours with stuff that the majority want.
Not an easy balance to strike, but this thread is a great resource for folks to air their views, & I promise you that Sam & James, who hold responsibility for the MTT Schedule, read every Post.
Any feedback from above on the megastacks?....or shall we have a whip round for a wreath? ;( Posted by MAXALLY
Nothing has been fed back to me, Alan, except the initial e-Mail in which they said they were just not viable.
I'll certainly ask the question though, & if the Megastacks are a dead in the water, it won't be death by a thousand cuts, I'll tell you outright. The likely answer, of course, is a compromise, via reduced Guarantees.
Additional £3.30 Turbo Bounty Hunter at 11pm nightly . (£300 Guaranteed) This replaces the 11pm Hyper Turbo which passed away peacefully in it's sleep. Posted by Tikay10
Any news on more of these? I think these would make a great addition to the schedule. Hourly I expect they would do well. In reply to if there is a demand? You won't know until you try them? Sky Sam etc to comment please???
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : Nothing has been fed back to me, Alan, except the initial e-Mail in which they said they were just not viable. I'll certainly ask the question though, & if the Megastacks are a dead in the water, it won't be death by a thousand cuts, I'll tell you outright. The likely answer, of course, is a compromise, via reduced Guarantees. Posted by Tikay10
Thank you Tikay. I really hope a compromise is made.
Re - The Midnight express/turbo one you have mentioned. Do the suits release that numbers (if averaged out) would be well down due to the site issues and not the players?
Can I just mention that I LOVED the 30 player payout structure to the Sunday night major? Probably only because I managed to make min cash in it lol. I know the top 3 might disagree but there was more incentive for me to play it as didn't need to hit top 18 or 19 (or whatever average pay outs used to be). Posted by IrishRose
Thanks Rose.
This is a topic which tends to get a bit warm when discussed.
I don't actually know what MTT's have had the Payout Structure changed, so I'm whistling in the dark a bit.
I do know that we discussed the topic internally, & at some length, a month or two ago. I had a very strong view on this - I believe Sky Poker should increase the amount of places paid, & flatten the payouts.
I experienced this in Vegas this year at the WSOP, & it was very well received by almost everyone. The exceptions, of course - & quite reasonably - were the Pros & big winners, who disagreed, as you'd expect.
The WSOP paid 15% of the field this year, & the EPT have been experimenting with paying 20% of the field.
I see the Online Poker Industry going in that direction, too. Not overnight, but in increments, maybe 12.5%, then 15%, maybe more a year or two down the line. ALL Sites will do that, IMO. They have to, to keep the money flowing round the game. A min cash to you or me is our next Buy-In.
PS - These are my personal views, not necessarily those of The Business.
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : Thank you Tikay. I really hope a compromise is made. Re - The Midnight express/turbo one you have mentioned. Do the suits release that numbers (if averaged out) would be well down due to the site issues and not the players? Posted by MAXALLY
The Suits are aware, & can measure, the effect of Site Issues. There was a big headache on Friday night, which was before the new Schedule launched, so there may have been a bit of a hangover from that. The Adobe issue remains a problem, but the negative effect is now very small indeed.
I do plan to push back a little to Sam & James about some of these changes, & maybe that might change a few things. Or not. I've not written to them yet though, been a bit busy.
The main thing is to remember that anything can be changed, & a lot of stuff will be changed, as they go along. That's why the Feedback is so useful. The MTT Schedule has been largely unchanged in 6 or 7 years, maybe more, it needed a radical overhaul. That's not something which started on Saturday & that's that, job done - it is a work-in-progress which will continue for many months. We are just 3 days into that at the moment, so plenty of time to sort the wheat from the chaff.
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : The Suits are aware, & can measure, the effect of Site Issues. There was a big headache on Friday night, which was before the new Schedule launched, so there may have been a bit of a hangover from that. The Adobe issue remains a problem, but the negative effect is now very small indeed. I do plan to push back a little to Sam & James about some of these changes, & maybe that might change a few things. Or not. I've not written to them yet though, been a bit busy. The main thing is to remember that anything can be changed, & a lot of stuff will be changed, as they go along. That's why the Feedback is so useful. The MTT Schedule has been largely unchanged in 6 or 7 years, maybe more, it needed a radical overhaul. That's not something which started on Saturday & that's that, job done - it is a work-in-progress which will continue for many months. We are just 3 days into that at the moment, so plenty of time to sort the wheat from the chaff. Posted by Tikay10
Agreed. Not knocking anything here, just giving feed back.
When is the ukops blurb coming out? I see seats being included in tonights f/roll but no tab/lobbies yet.
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread : Agreed. Not knocking anything here, just giving feed back. When is the ukops blurb coming out? I see seats being included in tonights f/roll but no tab/lobbies yet. Posted by MAXALLY
Disappointing to me to see the 23:00 turbo abandoned and the midnight express changed to a BH without giving them time to bed in. Has the new payout structure (for some non BH events) been posted somewhere, or if not could it be please? Posted by SoLack
Hi Paul,
I'm otherwise engaged right now, but will post the new payout structures, which tournaments they have been applied to, and the rationale, later this evening.
I have already mentioned that I think there is room for the 20:15 £11 BH in the schedule, even if the gtd is reduced down to £750, although on Friday, Saturday and Sundays it regularly hit 120 runners.
It was put back in on Friday last week, but late reg was only for 4 levels so effectively missed out on 25 extra minutes late reg (2 levels, plus the 5 minute break) and it still got 96 runners. If I log on just after 8.30pm then there aren't any mid stake non-turbo games to play until 9.30pm. Early in the week I don't generally want to start a non-turbo MTT too late knowing I have work the next day.
Will Sky consider bringing back the 20:15 £11 BH?
Overall new schedule looks good, like the reduced reg fee for the low buy-in tournies and the removal of reg fee from the add-on and rebuy's, really good move.
This 20:15 bounty hunter has been in and out like a yo-yo. After doing some analysis I agree there is room for a £1,000 version on a weekend. I will put in a £750 version mon-thurs. I'll increase late reg too.
Disappointing to me to see the 23:00 turbo abandoned and the midnight express changed to a BH without giving them time to bed in. Has the new payout structure (for some non BH events) been posted somewhere, or if not could it be please? Posted by SoLack
Morning Paul,
Sorry I never got back to you last night, a few things went off elsewhere & I got waylaid.
The payout structures on Bounty Hunters remains completely unchanged. Quite right too, imo.
A 15% payout structure has now been applied to the big Freezeouts & rebuys, such as Sunday Major, Iceman, Reload, Gold Rush etc. I assume this applies to Sky High Roller, too. Am currently unsure if it applies to the smaller MTT's, but I'll let you know soonest.
Last Night's "Mini" attracted 360 runners, with 60 being paid, which is just over 15%. The Minimum Payout was £8.20, which is roughly 50% profit on the £5.50 Buy-In.
In my personal opinion, FWIW (not much....), I think this is exactly what Sky Poker should be doing, & I applaud them for it. Not everyone will agree, obviously, but that's where we are as of now.
Just to finalise the Payouts question, as I now have all the info.
Bounty Hunters all remain unchanged.
All Freezeouts & rebuys (with 2 exceptions) now pay 15% of the field.
The 2 exception are the Sky High Roller & Super Rebuy. In both cases, these tend to attract a different profile of player, & these guys do prefer more up top & less places paid.
Comments
Reduced Guarantees
GOLD RUSH (nightly Turbo @ 20.45) - Guarantee reduced from £2,000 to £1,500
RELOAD (nightly Rebuy @ 21.30) - Guarantee reduced from £2,000 to £1,500.
These were not making anywhere near Guarantee.
All understood, yeah.
The fact is the players here can't get enough BH's - the figures prove that, again & again.
The new Rebuy performed dreadfully, too, as did that Hyper Turbo. We all have our own likes & dislikes, but the truth lies in the numbers, & they were really bad.
Personally - me, not the Business - I'd like to persevere with some of these, even at the expense of lower, less ambitious, Guarantees. The Business, I'm sure, will want that they maximise the peak traffic hours with stuff that the majority want.
Not an easy balance to strike, but this thread is a great resource for folks to air their views, & I promise you that Sam & James, who hold responsibility for the MTT Schedule, read every Post.
I'll certainly ask the question though, & if the Megastacks are a dead in the water, it won't be death by a thousand cuts, I'll tell you outright. The likely answer, of course, is a compromise, via reduced Guarantees.
This is a topic which tends to get a bit warm when discussed.
I don't actually know what MTT's have had the Payout Structure changed, so I'm whistling in the dark a bit.
I do know that we discussed the topic internally, & at some length, a month or two ago. I had a very strong view on this - I believe Sky Poker should increase the amount of places paid, & flatten the payouts.
I experienced this in Vegas this year at the WSOP, & it was very well received by almost everyone. The exceptions, of course - & quite reasonably - were the Pros & big winners, who disagreed, as you'd expect.
The WSOP paid 15% of the field this year, & the EPT have been experimenting with paying 20% of the field.
I see the Online Poker Industry going in that direction, too. Not overnight, but in increments, maybe 12.5%, then 15%, maybe more a year or two down the line. ALL Sites will do that, IMO. They have to, to keep the money flowing round the game. A min cash to you or me is our next Buy-In.
PS - These are my personal views, not necessarily those of The Business.
I do plan to push back a little to Sam & James about some of these changes, & maybe that might change a few things. Or not. I've not written to them yet though, been a bit busy.
The main thing is to remember that anything can be changed, & a lot of stuff will be changed, as they go along. That's why the Feedback is so useful. The MTT Schedule has been largely unchanged in 6 or 7 years, maybe more, it needed a radical overhaul. That's not something which started on Saturday & that's that, job done - it is a work-in-progress which will continue for many months. We are just 3 days into that at the moment, so plenty of time to sort the wheat from the chaff.
there were 2 games yesterday that paid more places; 20:45 and 21:30
sunday there were 7 paying more places
saturday 4
james indicated that these were freezeouts. they are, afaik
It was put back in on Friday last week, but late reg was only for 4 levels so effectively missed out on 25 extra minutes late reg (2 levels, plus the 5 minute break) and it still got 96 runners. If I log on just after 8.30pm then there aren't any mid stake non-turbo games to play until 9.30pm. Early in the week I don't generally want to start a non-turbo MTT too late knowing I have work the next day.
Will Sky consider bringing back the 20:15 £11 BH?
Overall new schedule looks good, like the reduced reg fee for the low buy-in tournies and the removal of reg fee from the add-on and rebuy's, really good move.
Thanks
Greg.
Sorry I never got back to you last night, a few things went off elsewhere & I got waylaid.
The payout structures on Bounty Hunters remains completely unchanged. Quite right too, imo.
A 15% payout structure has now been applied to the big Freezeouts & rebuys, such as Sunday Major, Iceman, Reload, Gold Rush etc. I assume this applies to Sky High Roller, too. Am currently unsure if it applies to the smaller MTT's, but I'll let you know soonest.
Last Night's "Mini" attracted 360 runners, with 60 being paid, which is just over 15%. The Minimum Payout was £8.20, which is roughly 50% profit on the £5.50 Buy-In.
In my personal opinion, FWIW (not much....), I think this is exactly what Sky Poker should be doing, & I applaud them for it. Not everyone will agree, obviously, but that's where we are as of now.
^^^^
Just to finalise the Payouts question, as I now have all the info.
Bounty Hunters all remain unchanged.
All Freezeouts & rebuys (with 2 exceptions) now pay 15% of the field.
The 2 exception are the Sky High Roller & Super Rebuy. In both cases, these tend to attract a different profile of player, & these guys do prefer more up top & less places paid.