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Major MTT Strength

aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
edited August 2017 in Poker Chat

STRENGTH

NEW addition to www.PokerSuperHero.com

Would you like to see which games are hard or soft? Added to each major game result is a count of how many top players were involved. Plus a strength factor and finally whether the field was "soft", "ok", "hard" or "OMG".

You can see all major game results here www.PokerSuperHero.com/results

See a summary of the STRENGTH of this week's games here
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  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited June 2017
    So the shock news is that the higher buy in games appear to be tougher than the low buy in games?
    This is very useful stuff to know

  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    So the shock news is that the higher buy in games appear to be tougher than the low buy in games? This is very useful stuff to know
    Posted by Jac35
    it's not as simple as you think.

    sunday's £110 major at 8pm had a strength "ok". 
    whereas sunday's £11 game at 8:15pm had a strength noted as "hard". 





    www.PokerSuperHero.com/latest



  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : it's not as simple as you think. sunday's £110 major at 8pm had a strength "ok".  whereas sunday's £11 game at 8:15pm had a strength noted as "hard".  www.PokerSuperHero.com/latest
    Posted by aussie09


    If players are only playing a handful of games per week or even just playing the Sunday Major, presumably they wont appear as "top players" even though they may be a uk reg.
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : If players are only playing a handful of games per week or even just playing the Sunday Major, presumably they wont appear as "top players" even though they may be a uk reg.
    Posted by MattBates
    Tbf that will get balanced by the losing players who Aussie regards as "top players"
  • jubbjubb Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2017
    i find the sunday major has quite a soft field
    The £55 9pm games are definitely the toughest
  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : If players are only playing a handful of games per week or even just playing the Sunday Major, presumably they wont appear as "top players" even though they may be a uk reg.
    Posted by MattBates

    yes, that is true matt. 

    a handful of players will not distort the strength assessment

    any player who has played so few games that they have not ever made it to the top 100 players at any time in the past 6 months will not influence the strength assessment. 

    there are 8,000 players who have appeared in the best player leagues.  quantity wise, the number of these playing is taken into account.  quality wise, how high in the best player leagues is a second factor.

    i was interested to see where the value might be.  there is nothing that has done this before, apart from the "avoid mattbates" app.



     
  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    i find the sunday major has quite a soft field The £55 9pm games are definitely the toughest
    Posted by jubb
    yes, that's what has been revealed.

    the 9pm has been rated "hard" 4 times in the last 7 days and rated "OMG" three times.

    i didn't realise it was so tough.  mind you, i thought the 8pm main on sunday was a no go mtt.  but it isn't.


     
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : it's not as simple as you think. sunday's £110 major at 8pm had a strength "ok".  whereas sunday's £11 game at 8:15pm had a strength noted as "hard"www.PokerSuperHero.com/latest
    Posted by aussie09


    Story checks out
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : yes, that is true matt.  a handful of players will not distort the strength assessment any player who has played so few games that they have not ever made it to the top 1,000 players at any time in the past 6 months will not influence the strength assessment.  there are 8,000 players who have appeared in the top 1,000 best players.  quantity wise, the number of top players is taken into account.  quality wise, how high in the best player leagues is a second factor. i was interested to see where the value might be.  there is nothing that has done this before, apart from the "avoid mattbates" app.
    Posted by aussie09


    Hadn't realised you were calling top players those in the top 1000.
  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : Hadn't realised you were calling top players those in the top 1000.
    Posted by MattBates

    i've just edited that sentence.  all best player leagues are the 100 best players.




  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : Story checks out
    Posted by MattBates
    yes, this is what i found to be an eye-opener. 

    any idea why?


     
  • Nuggy962Nuggy962 Member Posts: 1,104
    edited June 2017
    Great stuff Rob. Using this to avoid some of the hard ganes and not play as part of an evening schedule. 
  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    Great stuff Rob. Using this to avoid some of the hard ganes and not play as part of an evening schedule. 
    Posted by Nuggy962

    thanks.  i would use it the same way.  avoid some, target others.



  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : Story checks out
    Posted by MattBates
    congratulations on your win in the hard £11 at 8:15pm.  i understand your comment now.


     
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : yes, that is true matt.  a handful of players will not distort the strength assessment any player who has played so few games that they have not ever made it to the top 100 players at any time in the past 6 months will not influence the strength assessment.  there are 8,000 players who have appeared in the best player leagues.  quantity wise, the number of these playing is taken into account.  quality wise, how high in the best player leagues is a second factor. i was interested to see where the value might be.  there is nothing that has done this before, apart from the "avoid mattbates" app.  
    Posted by aussie09


    To do well in your tables it is a mix of volume and ability. Just because someone is high on your list doesnt mean they are a good player and doesnt even mean they are a profitable player.

    To take it to an extreme, how would the UKOPS high roller appear to be strength wise?
  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : To do well in your tables it is a mix of volume and ability. Just because someone is high on your list doesnt mean they are a good player and doesnt even mean they are a profitable player. To take it to an extreme, how would the UKOPS high roller appear to be strength wise?
    Posted by MattBates
    yes, very true.  it is just a matter of what is the best way of evaluating best.  i certainly dislike the old way of assessing best by totalling returns. 

    mine is a combination of quantity and quality.  i choose the method that can be argued against less than alternatives methods.  what i do is assess performance by a standard test.  the mtts are the top games, no cash, no sngs, no freerolls, no this, no that.  therefore the standardised  "test" i use is a truer test of ability and achievement.  it is more readily calibrated, interpreted and performances compared.

    what it gives me is the ability to know how good someone is likely to be.  no matter, it all is subject to what cards are dealt.

    the ukops high roller question ... we will know better when it next runs.  there is no allowance made for size of buy-in, nor should there be imo.  the players are the same, just a reduced skill range probably.  i think i would see a ok to hard game .  the entrants mix will include a higher number of wealthy average players plus more good players.


  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2017

    remember that there are few profitable players in poker.

    those in all my best player tables will almost without fail be profitable players.  i identify the top 100 from 5,000 unique players a week, 10,000 unique players a month, 50,000 unique players a year.  i am 99.9% certain that all top 100 best players are profitable.  confident because 100 from 50k (or 5k for that matter) is such a small proportion.




     
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited June 2017
    In short
    It is ridiculous to rate losing players as "top players" simply because they put in a lot of volume

    Edit
    Just see your last post. Are you sure about that?
    Not long ago the 'best player' on Sky was a losing player!
  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In short It is ridiculous to rate losing players as "top players" simply because they put in a lot of volume Edit Just see your last post. Are you sure about that? Not long ago the 'best player' on Sky was a losing player!
    Posted by Jac35
    yes, agree.



  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited June 2017
    Your leagues may well be a bit of fun for people to look at and that's fine 

    If people want a true guide to players abilities then sharkscope is a fantastic site.
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