In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : the answer is simple jac35. i am sure that you know this already i haven't blocked my figures. there are a handful of players that are blocked. this was either by their choice or by mine. you are one of the handful of people, from tens of thousands of visitors, who are blocked. it is no great surprise to see that three of the handful of people blocked have posted together once again on this thread. the three of you did the same a year ago, remember? you will remain blocked. you knew this already, surely. Posted by aussie09
I was referring to sharkscope. I have no idea if you allow people to see your own stats on your site.
Interesting debate. Maybe I am looking at this too simplisticly, but the rolling week and monthly ones that Aussie does are a good form guide, so at some stage anyone can go on a heater and it's nice to see yourself at or near the top of a league table. However, the profit and longer term best player stats are where the true best / most profitable players will be surely? (Although I suppose a losing player that plays almost all tournaments could feature in best player top 100 all the time due to them getting more points, but it is due to the amount of games they play).
In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : I was referring to sharkscope. I have no idea if you allow people to see your own stats on your site. I promise you I wasn't angling to have you unblock me Posted by Jac35
come off it, jac35.
when you write, "you choose to block your own stats but share everyone else's" you can only be referring to me and my site.
In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : Ha yes, I have left a few course tutors ready to bang their head off the wall. One in particular learned very quickly to put a word limit on anything she gave us after she asked me to write a community profile and I handed her a 57 page booklet with appendices on top. I do enjoy a good debate although I consciously try not to be a pedantic P**** as I fully realise that not everyone feels the same lol Posted by markycash
In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : come off it, jac35. when you write, "you choose to block your own stats but share everyone else's" you can only be referring to me and my site. Posted by aussie09
What on earth are you talking about Aussie09? I really don't see how you can be so confused.
I'll try again for you Aussie09
I was referring to sharkscope. If I enter your name on there it tells me that you have locked your stats.
You however share (mostly) everyone's stats on your little site
Interesting debate. Maybe I am looking at this too simplisticly, but the rolling week and monthly ones that Aussie does are a good form guide, so at some stage anyone can go on a heater and it's nice to see yourself at or near the top of a league table. However, the profit and longer term best player stats are where the true best / most profitable players will be surely? (Although I suppose a losing player that plays almost all tournaments could feature in best player top 100 all the time due to them getting more points, but it is due to the amount of games they play). Posted by GREGSTER
yes, i think you've got it.
there are so many ways to assess best player. people have their own best way, however, this changes quite a bit.
there are 20 different ways on my site that could be taken as best player. the one that i don't use is highest returns. i think that it is a nonsense, but that is only my belief. i like the idea of being able to judge best player using a number of different dimensions.
not one can prove unequivocally that so and so is the best. but having this information gives you a big insight into how you are doing in relation to someone else.
In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : What on earth are you talking about Aussie09? I really don't see how you can be so confused. I'll try again for you Aussie09 I was referring to sharkscope. If I enter your name on there it tells me that you have locked your stats. You however share (mostly) everyone's stats on your little site Clearer? Posted by Jac35
There are many ways to determine who is best player on sky poker, Here are just 11. You choose which one reflects your thoughts. Each is a league of the top 100 Best Players.
Every league is updated and refreshed every day in the morning.
Its all information and it is up to people to interpret. I do worry about statements like avoiding games considered tough when you look at the games that are considered tough. I doubt a number of the games would be considered tough if you asked sky MTT regs.
Its all information and it is up to people to interpret. I do worry about statements like avoiding games considered tough when you look at the games that are considered tough. I doubt a number of the games would be considered tough if you asked sky MTT regs. Posted by MattBates
note that i angled it more towards chosing to play the soft and ok games.
it is certainly just information that people can use or discard as they wish.
i would add that if you asked sky MTT regs you would get a range of answers about strength.
as you play high volumes you will be better informed from your own experience. for those who dont play volumes they are having to guess more. with game strength information, which is objective and updated daily using current data, i think their ability to judge where to buy-in is enhanced.
In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : Love this hahahaha You have cracked how to deal with the sky trolls on here. Great debate with some great points made on both sides. At the end kf the day you put this up for people to see and interpret as they wish. Posted by Nuggy962
It's a close one
I do believe you are in the top two for the biggest tool on the forum prize though
In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : Love this hahahaha You have cracked how to deal with the sky trolls on here. Great debate with some great points made on both sides. At the end kf the day you put this up for people to see and interpret as they wish. Posted by Nuggy962
Maybe look at your recent posts before saying about trolls
In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : note that i angled it more towards chosing to play the soft and ok games. it is certainly just information that people can use or discard as they wish. i would add that if you asked sky MTT regs you would get a range of answers about strength. as you play high volumes you will be better informed from your own experience. for those who dont play volumes they are having to guess more. with game strength information, which is objective and updated daily using current data, i think their ability to judge where to buy-in is enhanced. Posted by aussie09
The problem with this is you say its objective when it is your opinion of the information. When you show your tables as fun its fine, when you are effectively advising players on what to play it changing things. If you were showing how reggy games are then that's fine but your tables link volume to ability then you judge how hard a game is.
Some on the forum will take the information with a pinch of salt, others will take it as gospel and this is where I have concerns.
the first (percentage) is the proportion of players who have appeared in the best player leagues at some time this year. so it a minimal threshold.
the second (factor) is a measure of how high as best player these players have been.
then combined to give one of only 4 banded categories; soft, ok, hard and omg.
these are just the numbers. there are what they are, no more, no less.
for many, giving people an idea of game strength is a good thing. for you, as you are are top player who plays very well and plays large volume, it is probably superfluous. you will have developed your own way.
interpretation of numbers is a different thing. i seek a pattern over a long period of time, and how the numbers relate to each other, how one player's pattern differs from another's or the norm, all to indicate a style of play that might lead to a tweak. one such tweak last week helped (in a small way) one player to win again and they did so in a main event. this has happened on many occasions where people have asked me to comment. i am delighted to see when it works for them.
As I've said before as a fun thing it's fine. It's when you start making claims that your site is actually so good that it helps people win the main that the problems begin.
It's purely a subjective thing that you do and no hard facts can ever be gleaned from it.
The flaws are clear but even when people as skilled as Bates (hate to say that) question it, you still remain steadfast in your approach.
You can have all the data in the world but when your starting point is wrong it will never be truly reflective.
The very moment you add in pure volume as an indicator to ability, you've lost.
My issue is that people are not always totally switched on to things and will take it as gospel that your site will improve them. Then they will see your 'donations' bit and end up paying you for useless information.
You advised Haysie that he goes out in the first quarter too often. Just another example of how your interpretations are wrong
personally, i have always disliked that highest returns is seen as a quality way of assessing performance. traditionally this is one of the ways that poker success has been assessed.
nevertheless, some people take notice of returns and find it meaningful, or informative.
it is just one of 43 different leagues. use or discard as you wish.
Comments
when you write, "you choose to block your own stats but share everyone else's" you can only be referring to me and my site.
there are so many ways to assess best player. people have their own best way, however, this changes quite a bit.
there are 20 different ways on my site that could be taken as best player. the one that i don't use is highest returns. i think that it is a nonsense, but that is only my belief. i like the idea of being able to judge best player using a number of different dimensions.
not one can prove unequivocally that so and so is the best. but having this information gives you a big insight into how you are doing in relation to someone else.
ROLL OF HONOUR
There are many ways to determine who is best player on sky poker, Here are just 11. You choose which one reflects your thoughts. Each is a league of the top 100 Best Players.
Every league is updated and refreshed every day in the morning.
GFKIJKLL is Best Player at Sky Poker over the rolling week
www.PokerSuperHero.com/best7
GFKIJKLL is Best Player over the rolling month
www.PokerSuperHero.com/best31
xcv is day best
www.PokerSuperHero.com/daybest
MattBates is week best
www.PokerSuperHero.com/weekbest
GFKIJKLL is month best
www.PokerSuperHero.com/monthbest
loololollo is year best
www.PokerSuperHero.com/yearbest
JR12Booom is best newbie
www.PokerSuperHero.com/newbies
JCordy day profit
www.PokerSuperHero.com/dayprofit
JCordy week profit
www.PokerSuperHero.com/weekprofit
jordz16 month profit
www.PokerSuperHero.com/monthprofit
jordz16 year profit
www.PokerSuperHero.com/yearprofit
FIND
See where you feature in 60 leagues
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RESULTS
1,415 players in 20 major tournaments
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There is a 12th league that collates the number of times that a player is deemed best player over the rolling week.
Best of the Best is ash066pts
www.PokerSuperHero.com/bestbest
there are three more specialist leagues of best players
DTD on Mondays throughout 2017, best player is Jeffter
www.PokerSuperHero.com/dtd
Hitsquad throughout 2017, best player is Wacko90
www.PokerSuperHero.com/hitsquad
Tournament Wins Charity Shield 2017, best player is jordz16
www.PokerSuperHero.com/charity
that's a total of 15 different leagues of best players.
add to this UKOPS (4 leagues) analysis (15 leagues) archives (8) and Main and Mini best player, there are 43 best player leagues in total.
i might add one more for highest returns for the year.
it is certainly just information that people can use or discard as they wish.
i would add that if you asked sky MTT regs you would get a range of answers about strength.
as you play high volumes you will be better informed from your own experience. for those who dont play volumes they are having to guess more. with game strength information, which is objective and updated daily using current data, i think their ability to judge where to buy-in is enhanced.
Some on the forum will take the information with a pinch of salt, others will take it as gospel and this is where I have concerns.
for strength there are two factors
the first (percentage) is the proportion of players who have appeared in the best player leagues at some time this year. so it a minimal threshold.
the second (factor) is a measure of how high as best player these players have been.
then combined to give one of only 4 banded categories; soft, ok, hard and omg.
these are just the numbers. there are what they are, no more, no less.
for many, giving people an idea of game strength is a good thing. for you, as you are are top player who plays very well and plays large volume, it is probably superfluous. you will have developed your own way.
interpretation of numbers is a different thing. i seek a pattern over a long period of time, and how the numbers relate to each other, how one player's pattern differs from another's or the norm, all to indicate a style of play that might lead to a tweak. one such tweak last week helped (in a small way) one player to win again and they did so in a main event. this has happened on many occasions where people have asked me to comment. i am delighted to see when it works for them.
RETURNS
here is a 43rd league of best player.
personally, i have always disliked that highest returns is seen as a quality way of assessing performance. traditionally this is one of the ways that poker success has been assessed.
nevertheless, some people take notice of returns and find it meaningful, or informative.
it is just one of 43 different leagues. use or discard as you wish.
www.PokerSuperHero.com/returns