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Major MTT Strength

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  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    best thread ever <3
    Posted by goldnballz
    Do you have a table to back up this claim?
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    best thread ever <3
    Posted by goldnballz


    I'm struggling to make it past the 2nd quarter of this thread.
  • goldnballzgoldnballz Member Posts: 2,819
    edited June 2017
  • goldnballzgoldnballz Member Posts: 2,819
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : The problem with this is you say its objective when it is your opinion of the information. When you show your tables as fun its fine, when you are effectively advising players on what to play it changing things. If you were showing how reggy games are then that's fine but your tables link volume to ability then you judge how hard a game is. Some on the forum will take the information with a pinch of salt, others will take it as gospel and this is where I have concerns.
    Posted by MattBates
    +1

    Surely sky poker can't be happy about this
  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : Do you have a table to back up this claim?
    Posted by MattBates
    Subtle :)
  • SR23SR23 Member Posts: 1,228
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : Do you have a table to back up this claim?
    Posted by MattBates
    wpwp
  • day4eire76day4eire76 Member Posts: 912
    edited June 2017

    So many things in this thread are of interest. Will tackle them as I see them. I will say just about everyone agrees that a lot of work goes into correlating all the results and we all agree it takes dedication and players acknowledge your work .

    1. interpretation of numbers is a different thing.  i seek a pattern over a long period of time, and how the numbers relate to each other, how one player's pattern differs from another's or the norm, all to indicate a style of play that might lead to a tweak.  one such tweak last week helped (in a small way) one player to win again and they did so in a main event.  this has happened on many occasions where people have asked me to comment.  i am delighted to see when it works for them.

    I am sorry but I cannot fathom how seeing any of your tables would lead someone to win a main event. There is no pattern to be gleamed from your tables that can’t be seen from SS or looking at the table for 1 or 2 orbits. A losing player will be a losing player just the same as a winning player would be a winning player. Unless I have missed the table about limping, 3 betting ,button raises etc I’m not sure how you can claim that patterns can lead to a style off play.

    it's not as simple as you think.

    sunday's £110 major at 8pm had a strength "ok".  
    whereas sunday's £11 game at 8:15pm had a strength noted as "hard".

    This again leads to the assumption of you saying best player from your site is linked to volume. At a quick glance in your top `100 players there are at least 3 players that are down 5 figures so how can you classify that they are in the top 100 players on Sky ?. You then go on to rank all the mtts you track based on these figures. So if your base figures are wrong every mtt strength is also wrong.

     

    Best way to find out how tough a tournament is, is to ask the people who play them. I would say if you asked the 50 most regular Mtt players on the site their top 5 toughest Mtt's each week i would say their answers would be very similar

    I totally agree with this but according to your tables this is not true.

     

    Its all information and it is up to people to interpret. I do worry about statements like avoiding games considered tough when you look at the games that are considered tough. I doubt a number of the games would be considered tough if you asked sky MTT regs.

     

    Again same as above.

    Copied form S.S the most comprehensive tracker of all games online.

    Probably not

     

    This is not a personal attack in any way but if we are making claims make sure to back the up.

  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    So many things in this thread are of interest. Will tackle them as I see them. I will say just about everyone agrees that a lot of work goes into correlating all the results and we all agree it takes dedication and players acknowledge your work . 1. interpretation of numbers is a different thing.  i seek a pattern over a long period of time, and how the numbers relate to each other, how one player's pattern differs from another's or the norm, all to indicate a style of play that might lead to a tweak.  one such tweak last week helped (in a small way) one player to win again and they did so in a main event.  this has happened on many occasions where people have asked me to comment.  i am delighted to see when it works for them. I am sorry but I cannot fathom how seeing any of your tables would lead someone to win a main event. There is no pattern to be gleamed from your tables that can’t be seen from SS or looking at the table for 1 or 2 orbits. A losing player will be a losing player just the same as a winning player would be a winning player. Unless I have missed the table about limping, 3 betting ,button raises etc I’m not sure how you can claim that patterns can lead to a style off play. it's not as simple as you think. sunday's £110 major at 8pm had a strength "ok".    whereas sunday's £11 game at 8:15pm had a strength noted as "hard". This again leads to the assumption of you saying best player from your site is linked to volume. At a quick glance in your top `100 players there are at least 3 players that are down 5 figures so how can you classify that they are in the top 100 players on Sky ?. You then go on to rank all the mtts you track based on these figures. So if your base figures are wrong every mtt strength is also wrong.   Best way to find out how tough a tournament is, is to ask the people who play them. I would say if you asked the 50 most regular Mtt players on the site their top 5 toughest Mtt's each week i would say their answers would be very similar I totally agree with this but according to your tables this is not true.   Its all information and it is up to people to interpret. I do worry about statements like avoiding games considered tough when you look at the games that are considered tough. I doubt a number of the games would be considered tough if you asked sky MTT regs.   Again same as above. Copied form S.S the most comprehensive tracker of all games online. WILL IT TURN ME INTO A WINNING POKER PLAYER? Probably not   This is not a personal attack in any way but if we are making claims make sure to back the up.
    Posted by day4eire76

    pat,

    results from 30,000 games are collated with 100,000 players over 8 years

    every method to determine best player is flawed.  43 different leagues are produced every day with the latest data.  each league is only meaningful if you find it so.  discard those are not.  if you have a personal 44th league use that instead.

    you might have seen your Hero Card at some stage on my site.  i have produced them for 5 years.  they are a place to see all results, stats, charts, ranking, past years performance, ratings etc for one player.

    that's it for the site.  beyond this, interpretation is off line and not on the site. 

    over the past five years, i have looked at the "pattern of results" on a Hero Card and have learned how to read them.  the Hero Card is where I first see a pattern.  that is, how certain figures relate to other figures for any one particular player and, thereafter, how a player's pattern of figures compare to other player patterns.  i can form an opinion of strengths and weaknesses, even style and i can take a view on someone's play. 

    occasionally, i have been asked for my opinion.  whether here on the forum, off line, social media, face-to-face, i am happy to look at a particular Hero card and share my view on what it means to me.  i have only done this for my virtual friends when they have asked.  there are a number of threads on this forum where you will see this. 

    i am delighted when any comment i make is taken on board.  i am delighted when any player goes on to do something noticeable soon after.  of course, their success is all to do with their own skill.  my part, is only to suggest a tweak or two. 

    there are two things.  the 43 best player leagues on my website and my interpretation of patterns on Hero cards.  best player leagues will not help a player win any tournament, interpretation of patterns probably won't either.




  • day4eire76day4eire76 Member Posts: 912
    edited June 2017
    Fair enough, good reply not much I disagree with.


  • weecheez1weecheez1 Member Posts: 1,686
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    this is too serious . i look at what ive deposited and what ive withdraw in my bank to weather ive won or lost and ignore all the stats
    Posted by stokefc
    Amen to that sir
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited June 2017

    You posted 

    "I recall your astonishing post elsewhere about a road rage event, where you actually followed someone to their home and you strode to his front door to confront him.  you posted that the householder was rude to close the door on you and not to answer you.  breathtaking.  what on earth were you doing there?  it was the best way to deal with you, paul."

     

    You don't recall very well. Please don't make up stuff. Made even worse by you telling Markycash to be "careful" about taking things out of context shortly after.

     

    Here's my post from April 2016

    It's rather different to how you describe it. 

    Oh, and please don't read my threads

    You're simply not welcome 

     

    "People are Strange (good Doors song )

    Just driving on a very quite street. Needed to turn around and so reversed into a side street. Didn't notice car behind me. He may have just got there or been there when I reversed. My fault. Didn't hit him but was maybe close 

    He pulled in his drive so I turned back round and went to his door and apologised 

    Not a word, totally blank look, he shut the door in my face.

     

    I'd find it so hard to do that. Entirely blank someone. I do the thing that I think most people do. Someone I don't like is walking towards each and I think to myself "I'll blank them"

    Then when we pass each other I either give a small nod or go "hi mate"

     

     

    "Confront" is just the same as "apologise" eh Aussie?

     

    Your recollections are about as accurate as your stupid tables

  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,876
    edited June 2017
    Can we keep it civil, please?

    Various posters on this thread seem to be below their usual standard...



  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    Can we keep it civil, please? Various posters on this thread seem to be below their usual standard...
    Posted by Essexphil
    Sorry Phil

    I don't react well to liars
  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited June 2017
    If they put Jac v Aussie on the undercard of the Mayweather v McGregor fight, I'd definitely buy it. Jac's entrance music could be "I'm forever blowing bubbles" ;)

    Maybe they'll put Hhy v Maxally on the undercard, too.
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    If they put Jac v Aussie on the undercard of the Mayweather v McGregor fight, I'd definitely buy it. Jac's entrance music could be "I'm forever blowing bubbles" ;) Maybe they'll put Hhy v Maxally on the undercard, too.
    Posted by EvilPingu
    Knob 

    :)
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,818
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : Knob  :)
    Posted by Jac35

    Didnt know you could get away with knob. They stopped one of mine the other day with f-g in it. All I said was smoking a f-g. I had to take f-g out.
    So you can say knob, but not f-g, irrespective of the context.
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : Didnt know you could get away with knob. They stopped one of mine the other day with f-g in it. All I said was smoking a f-g. I had to take f-g out. So you can say knob, but not f-g, irrespective of the context.
    Posted by HAYSIE
    Lol
    I've been on here a long time Haysie
    You get to work out the words that you can get away with :)

    Edit: just looked at how long. 

    Happy Birthday me

    One of my finer days on the forum too which is a nice bonus ;)
  • Nuggy962Nuggy962 Member Posts: 1,104
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : Sorry Phil I don't react well to liars
    Posted by Jac35
    You do not react well to anyone standing up to you either.....
  • Ellas_GranEllas_Gran Member Posts: 9
    edited June 2017
    Surely the only true statistic of any merit would be 'consistent' profit !
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength:
    In Response to Re: Major MTT Strength : You do not react well to anyone standing up to you either.....
    Posted by Nuggy962
    Please refer to my previous post  to you
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