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SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc.

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  • gerardirlgerardirl Member Posts: 1,299
    edited June 2017
    Tikay do you know what the position is for players that win a seat but cannot for whatever reason take the seat. I understand it is not transferable so in that case will it be offered to the person who bubbled winning the seat or can you clarify that.

    I know for Vegas seats were not transferable but I believe someone did transfer their seat to someone else and it was not offered to the person who bubbled (as I was that person ;).

    You might clarify that if possible.

    thanks
    Ger
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited June 2017

    Hi Ger,

    Do you mean winning a seat via a Satellite, as opposed to a Package via a Promo?

    I will find out for you, but the obvious answer is if you can't attend, then best not to play the satellites.  That's not intended to be a flippant answer, incidentally. Am playing a tourney right now and on the iPad, so it's a bit awkward.

    I will clarify this by tomorrow, if Sam or James don't reply in the interim.

    Hope the family are well.
  • gerardirlgerardirl Member Posts: 1,299
    edited June 2017
    I bubbled again so just wondering if someone (one of the 3 that won the seats in my silver promo freeroll) doesnt attend will i be offered or can they transfer it to who they like.
    Not sure if it was for a package or just a seat. Not complaining just wondering what the options are.

    thanks
    Ger
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited June 2017

    Hi Ger.

    If it was a Silver freeroll, then that is a PACKAGE not a seat.

    The package is not transferable.
  • gerardirlgerardirl Member Posts: 1,299
    edited June 2017
    Thank you. unlike Vegas packages then ;).

    Ger
  • Sky_SamTSky_SamT Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 984
    edited June 2017
    Good Morning,

    On the back of feedback on this thread we have worked with Manchester 235 and made some slight amendments to the start times of both the Day 1's.

    Day 1A will now commence at 4pm. Late reg will be open until 8.40 and the day will end at 1.50.
    Day 1B will now commence at 2pm. Late reg will be open until 6.40 and the day will end at 23.50.

    Day 2 remains unchanged.

    Players who qualify on Sky Poker will not have their stack entered until they arrive at the casino and register for the tournament. 

    Thank you for the feedback on the start times, we hope that this change suits more of our customers.

    Sam
  • glencoeladglencoelad Member Posts: 1,505
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc.:
    Good Morning, On the back of feedback on this thread we have worked with Manchester 235 and made some slight amendments to the start times of both the Day 1's. Day 1A will now commence at 4pm. Late reg will be open until 8.40 and the day will end at 1.50. Day 1B will now commence at 2pm. Late reg will be open until 6.40 and the day will end at 23.50. Day 2 remains unchanged. Players who qualify on Sky Poker will not have their stack entered until they arrive at the casino and register for the tournament.  Thank you for the feedback on the start times, we hope that this change suits more of our customers. Sam
    Posted by Sky_SamT
    Much better times, cheers.
  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc.:
    Good Morning, On the back of feedback on this thread we have worked with Manchester 235 and made some slight amendments to the start times of both the Day 1's. Day 1A will now commence at 4pm. Late reg will be open until 8.40 and the day will end at 1.50. Day 1B will now commence at 2pm. Late reg will be open until 6.40 and the day will end at 23.50. Day 2 remains unchanged. Players who qualify on Sky Poker will not have their stack entered until they arrive at the casino and register for the tournament.  Thank you for the feedback on the start times, we hope that this change suits more of our customers. Sam
    Posted by Sky_SamT
    Thanks Sam, much better start times IMO :)
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,818
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc.:
    Good Morning, On the back of feedback on this thread we have worked with Manchester 235 and made some slight amendments to the start times of both the Day 1's. Day 1A will now commence at 4pm. Late reg will be open until 8.40 and the day will end at 1.50. Day 1B will now commence at 2pm. Late reg will be open until 6.40 and the day will end at 23.50. Day 2 remains unchanged. Players who qualify on Sky Poker will not have their stack entered until they arrive at the casino and register for the tournament.  Thank you for the feedback on the start times, we hope that this change suits more of our customers. Sam
    Posted by Sky_SamT
    I dont think you will be able to find one player to disagree with that.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,818
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc.:
    Tikay do you know what the position is for players that win a seat but cannot for whatever reason take the seat. I understand it is not transferable so in that case will it be offered to the person who bubbled winning the seat or can you clarify that. I know for Vegas seats were not transferable but I believe someone did transfer their seat to someone else and it was not offered to the person who bubbled (as I was that person ;). You might clarify that if possible. thanks Ger
    Posted by gerardirl
    The deafening silence from the hierarchy surrounding this post, probably confirms two things.
    Firstly that any criticism levelled at the powers that be for cherry picking the posts they respond to is justified again. Anything difficult is regularly ignored in the hope it will just go away, but this is rarely the case.
    Secondly, as there has not been a rapid denial of the accusation, it is probably true.
    If there has been a transfer of a Vegas package, does that now make them transferable? How could you refuse anyone else that wished to tranfer a package.
    What about the SPT, equally non transferrable according to the terms and conditions?
    What about anything non tranferrable in the future?
    On the Vegas front, if the packages were genuinely non transferrable, and one of the qualifiers couldnt make it, what would happen to their package? Could Sky just keep it, would another game be played for it, or would the bubble in their qualifying tournament be given it.
    If the answer is the bubble, then if one has been transferred,  has the bubble been done out of a package?

  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc.:
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : The deafening silence from the hierarchy surrounding this post, probably confirms two things. Firstly that any criticism levelled at the powers that be for cherry picking the posts they respond to is justified again. Anything difficult is regularly ignored in the hope it will just go away, but this is rarely the case. Secondly, as there has not been a rapid denial of the accusation, it is probably true. If there has been a transfer of a Vegas package, does that now make them transferable? How could you refuse anyone else that wished to tranfer a package. What about the SPT, equally non transferrable according to the terms and conditions? What about anything non tranferrable in the future? On the Vegas front, if the packages were genuinely non transferrable, and one of the qualifiers couldnt make it, what would happen to their package? Could Sky just keep it, would another game be played for it, or would the bubble in their qualifying tournament be given it. If the answer is the bubble, then if one has been transferred,  has the bubble been done out of a package?
    Posted by HAYSIE


    ?

    Tikay replied the same evening despite being thousands of miles away.
  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,878
    edited June 2017
    yes gerard should have got the package if he was bubble and if someone won a package that couldn,t attend , theres something amiss here , but i don,t know all the facts if any , ive not read the t+cs but i thought vegas packages were not transferable thats why i never bothered with sats
  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,878
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc.:
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : ? Tikay replied the same evening despite being thousands of miles away.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    he didnt clarify the vegas situation tho
  • memfnomemfno Member Posts: 461
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc.:
    Good Morning, On the back of feedback on this thread we have worked with Manchester 235 and made some slight amendments to the start times of both the Day 1's. Day 1A will now commence at 4pm. Late reg will be open until 8.40 and the day will end at 1.50. Day 1B will now commence at 2pm. Late reg will be open until 6.40 and the day will end at 23.50. Day 2 remains unchanged. Players who qualify on Sky Poker will not have their stack entered until they arrive at the casino and register for the tournament.  Thank you for the feedback on the start times, we hope that this change suits more of our customers. Sam
    Posted by Sky_SamT

    Players who qualify on Sky Poker will not have their stack entered until they arrive at the casino and register for the tournament

    How is that going to work in practice ? You have a live tournament, presumably full. Will all the entered players still have a seat drawn just chips not in play ? If so, does that not open up the possibilty of some very strange short handed tables running from the start ? Ie a 9 seat table, 5 of whom haven't shown up yet, leaving 4 players battering each other to death. And if players are not drawn to a seat in advance, where does that leave players waiting to buy in on the day watching players just come in ahead of them ?
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc.:
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : he didnt clarify the vegas situation tho
    Posted by stokefc


    I didn't realise Sky were still running sats for Vegas?

    And if anyone needs to clarify something, its Gerardirl, not Tikay.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc.:
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : Players who qualify on Sky Poker will not have their stack entered until they arrive at the casino and register for the tournament How is that going to work in practice ? You have a live tournament, presumably full. Will all the entered players still have a seat drawn just chips not in play ? If so, does that not open up the possibilty of some very strange short handed tables running from the start ? Ie a 9 seat table, 5 of whom haven't shown up yet, leaving 4 players battering each other to death. And if players are not drawn to a seat in advance, where does that leave players waiting to buy in on the day watching players just come in ahead of them ?
    Posted by memfno
    There's nothing to concern yourself about there Memf.

    "Late" players will not have a Table or Seat allocation UNTIL they arrive, so their absence won't cause "dead" seats. They may even be on the Alternates List.

    Effectively, they will be the same as an Alternate. Once they arrive, they will be allocated the first available seat.

    A seat will NOT be held empty awaiting their late arrival.

    It's a perfectly standard & normal procedure which we have used in SPT's & UKPC's many times.
      
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc.:
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : ? Tikay replied the same evening despite being thousands of miles away.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    Ger made 2 Posts which included a question, I answered them both promptly & politely.



     
  • memfnomemfno Member Posts: 461
    edited June 2017
    Thank you Tikay, prompt and informative as ever !
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc.:
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : he didnt clarify the vegas situation tho
    Posted by stokefc
    Morning Stokey.

    Correct - because I did not know the full facts, & at this stage, it's hypothetical. Unless Ger was being devious - & I very much doubt that - his questions were about Mission SPT, & I answered them both promptly despite the awkward circumstances I was in at the time & which I explained. 

    Ger repeatedly told me earlier this year that he was not in a position to go to Vegas as part of Viva Las Vegas.
     
    I prefer the rules to be adhered to by BOTH parties. However, on occasion, special circumstances suggest an exception can & should be made, & I'm equally in favour of that. It's easy to stand & criticise these decisions, but very often a good & justifiable reason arises.

    Sky Poker guaranteed X packages to Vegas, & that guarantee, the exact number of packages, has been honoured.
     
    Generally, the rules state Packages are not transferable, & that's Sky Poker's right to say, & enforce, if they so wish. If players do not like the rules or T & C's then they should not enter.

    If anyone wishes to query this further - genuinely - please either send me a PM or get in touch with CC. We are not going to be discussing private matters on this forum.

    I will continue to answer all questions honestly, as I have done here since 2008, & I won't be dodging fair questions.  
     
     
     
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc.:
    Thank you Tikay, prompt and informative as ever !
    Posted by memfno
    YW, Bud.
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