Tikay do you know what the position is for players that win a seat but cannot for whatever reason take the seat. I understand it is not transferable so in that case will it be offered to the person who bubbled winning the seat or can you clarify that. I know for Vegas seats were not transferable but I believe someone did transfer their seat to someone else and it was not offered to the person who bubbled (as I was that person . You might clarify that if possible. thanks Ger Posted by gerardirl
I have no wish to fall out with Tikay, but much of the above remains unclarified.
In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : I didn't realise Sky were still running sats for Vegas? And if anyone needs to clarify something, its Gerardirl, not Tikay. Posted by hhyftrftdr
i dont get this , how can ger clarify something he doesnt know , if , and i don,t know if true vegas packages were non transferable id be going apeshit if id bubbled the final then found out someone had transfered a package who had won one in the final i was playing , wouldn,t you
In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : i dont get this , how can ger clarify something he doesnt know , if , and i don,t know if true vegas packages were non transferable id be going apeshit if id bubbled the final then found out someone had transfered a package who had won one in the final i was playing , wouldn,t you Posted by stokefc
Ger should clarify if he/she was posing a genuine thought/question or just being a little scamp.
In Response to SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : Tikay (or James) Can you please clarify the above. I have now qualified twice for the day 1b. I have done this purely as it is a Multi entry/re-entry event, and unlike the 'package' winners, I have only won the seat value without any cash on top for expenses. However, 3 people so far (Roughcell/Chickenisamelt & Boringjac55) have questioned this as it seems I am not allowed to play sats for expenses. I think this is totally different than playing sats for cash, but this is what they are all alluding too. If it was just a one day FO, I would have just locked my seat up. FTR, I will only be replying to Tikay or James on this subject, not the groupies Posted by MAXALLY
I'm not quite sure what the question is Alan, but the Satellite rules for SPT Manchester are similar to the usual Sky Poker satellite rules.
In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : Morning Stokey. Correct - because I did not know the full facts, & at this stage, it's hypothetical. Unless Ger was being devious - & I very much doubt that - his questions were about Mission SPT, & I answered them both promptly despite the awkward circumstances I was in at the time & which I explained. Ger repeatedly told me earlier this year that he was not in a position to go to Vegas as part of Viva Las Vegas. I prefer the rules to be adhered to by BOTH parties. However, on occasion, special circumstances suggest an exception can & should be made, & I'm equally in favour of that. It's easy to stand & criticise these decisions, but very often a good & justifiable reason arises. Sky Poker guaranteed X packages to Vegas, & that guarantee, the exact number of packages, has been honoured. Generally, the rules state Packages are not transferable, & that's Sky Poker's right to say, & enforce, if they so wish. If players do not like the rules or T & C's then they should not enter. If anyone wishes to query this further - genuinely - please either send me a PM or get in touch with CC. We are not going to be discussing private matters on this forum. I will continue to answer all questions honestly, as I have done here since 2008, & I won't be dodging fair questions. Posted by Tikay10
fair enough i didn,t know ger wasn,t able to go to vegas i was just questioning a situation if someone bubbled who were able to go.hope your smashing the tables mate
In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : i dont get this , how can ger clarify something he doesnt know , if , and i don,t know if true vegas packages were non transferable id be going apeshit if id bubbled the final then found out someone had transfered a package who had won one in the final i was playing , wouldn,t you Posted by stokefc
The thread is SPT Manchester, & Ger asked two questions about SPT Manchester. I answered them both quickly, politely & transparently.
I've no idea what point he was making about Viva Las Vegas & that was not the gist of his question.
Do you really think Sky Poker, 11 years in, are suddenly going to start diddling players out of their fair winnings?
In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : fair enough i didn,t know ger wasn,t able to go to vegas i was just questioning a situation if someone bubbled who were able to go.hope your smashing the tables mate Posted by stokefc
The rules, Terms & Conditions are clearly set out on the Landing Page.
I repeat my earlier comments. I don't approve of either party trying to mess around with packages or bend the rules, but there are often genuine situations where an exception will be made.
The bottom line here is that Sky Poker completely, 100%, honour their promises & guarantees. If 45 packages to Vegas were promised, 45 will have been awarded as fairly as it is reasonably possible. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise, Sky Poker have zero history for being unfair.
In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : The thread is SPT Manchester, & Ger asked two questions about SPT Manchester. I answered them both quickly, politely & transparently. I've no idea what point he was making about Viva Las Vegas & that was not the gist of his question. Do you really think Sky Poker, 11 years in, are suddenly going to start diddling players out of their fair winnings? Posted by Tikay10
ive replied above and no i don,t think sky poker would start diddling players out of their fair winnings , i fell for Gerards trap
Everyone at Sky Poker is determined that SPT Manchester - & the subsequent SPT's - will be fun, enjoyable, memorable, & something players will remember happily for a long time.
The vast majority welcomed the return of the SPT's with something approaching glee, but now we are once again in Bicker Mode.
Can we please keep this thread dedicated to SPT Manchester from here on in, & I invite you all to help Sky Poker make the return of the SPT's a success.
That's what The Business is trying to do, but it needs the players to buy-in to the same philosophy.
In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : The thread is SPT Manchester, & Ger asked two questions about SPT Manchester. I answered them both quickly, politely & transparently. I've no idea what point he was making about Viva Las Vegas & that was not the gist of his question. Do you really think Sky Poker, 11 years in, are suddenly going to start diddling players out of their fair winnings? Posted by Tikay10
i think it is important to differentiate between the 2 types of VLV player. I have been both types (thin brag).
Firstly, there are freeroll/promo qualifiers-if they cannot go, only right & proper cannot sell etc.
Secondly, there are the people who played final qualifiers, at £435/£1k plus (often more than 1). Why cannot such people sell their packages-Sky have already received their entitlement. If 1 or more of these players do not attend, what happens to the money?
I'm not having a pop at Sky-all sites do this. Diddling?-no. But there is the potential for a nice win for the house...in SPTs it will be added to the prizepool
It's fantastic that the Spts are back. I absolutely can't wait for Manchester. I made a lot of new friends though the previous Spts that I attended and it will be good to see people again. Also looking forward to meeting people who weren't with Sky when the Spts last ran
The structure looks very good and it's great that Sky have been able to change the Friday start time.
I'm sure that it requires a huge amount d work to put these things on.
Can you tell us roughly what the schedule is for future Spts?
Every 3 months or so? Buy ins at around the same amount?
I've deleted an earlier post that isn't relevant to this this thread
In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : i think it is important to differentiate between the 2 types of VLV player. I have been both types (thin brag). Firstly, there are freeroll/promo qualifiers-if they cannot go, only right & proper cannot sell etc. Secondly, there are the people who played final qualifiers, at £435/£1k plus (often more than 1). Why cannot such people sell their packages-Sky have already received their entitlement. If 1 or more of these players do not attend, what happens to the money? I'm not having a pop at Sky-all sites do this. Diddling?-no. But there is the potential for a nice win for the house...in SPTs it will be added to the prizepool Posted by Essexphil
Morning Philip.
Sky Poker purchase X packages in advance from a third party, & they are non-returnable.
There are no circumstances where jiggery-pokery can end up with Sky Poker benefitting from a spare package. If one comes spare at the last minute, a "Viva Last Vegas" Promo is run. If it becomes spare later, then it is distributed by Sky Poker in the fairest & most practical way possible. Why would they do otherwise?
Sky Poker paid - many months ago - for all the packages. An unused or spare package does not result in a refund to Sky Poker. There is zero potential for a "win for the house" here. If a package were unused, Sky Poker would not benefit by penny. The packages were paid for many months ago & the cost is non-refundable.
I'm really surprised you would think that Sky Poker would look to profit in such a manner, Phil, Sky Poker have zero history for that sort of thing.
The rules state, exceptional circumstances aside, that Packages cannot be sold or transferred. I would imagine the reason for this is that if a free market developed in the sale & purchase of VLV packages, the Admin for The Business would be horrendous. The bottom line, of course, is that the Vendor can set any Rules, Terms & conditions they deem reasonable.
Once again, I respectfully ask, can we keep this thread for SPT Manchester please.
Our desire remains to make SPT Manchester a happy occasion for all who try to qualify and or attend. It's an uphill battle, though.
Fair point It's fantastic that the Spts are back. I absolutely can't wait for Manchester. I made a lot of new friends though the previous Spts that I attended and it will be good to see people again. Also looking forward to meeting people who weren't with Sky when the Spts last ran The structure looks very good and it's great that Sky have been able to change the Friday start time. I'm sure that it requires a huge amount d work to put these things on. Can you tell us roughly what the schedule is for future Spts? Every 3 months or so? Buy ins at around the same amount? I've deleted an earlier post that isn't relevant to this this thread Posted by Jac35
Hi Paul,
I'm afraid you will have to wait a while for the answer to that, but SPT plans are well developed.
What I will tell you is this - & this is not a flippant or smartarse reply, it's the actual fact, though you may need to read between the lines.
As to date, cost & venue of future SPT's, you will be amongst the very first to know.
When you realise what that means, mine's a latte please, two sweeteners.
In Response to Re: SPT Manchester Structure, clock, start times etc. : Morning Philip. Sky Poker purchase X packages in advance from a third party, & they are non-returnable. There are no circumstances where jiggery-pokery can end up with Sky Poker benefitting from a spare package. If one comes spare at the last minute, a "Viva Last Vegas" Promo is run. If it becomes spare later, then it is distributed by Sky Poker in the fairest & most practical way possible. Why would they do otherwise? Sky Poker paid - many months ago - for all the packages. An unused or spare package does not result in a refund to Sky Poker. There is zero potential for a "win for the house" here. If a package were unused, Sky Poker would not benefit by penny. The packages were paid for many months ago & the cost is non-refundable. I'm really surprised you would think that Sky Poker would look to profit in such a manner, Phil, Sky Poker have zero history for that sort of thing. The rules state, exceptional circumstances aside, that Packages cannot be sold or transferred. I would imagine the reason for this is that if a free market developed in the sale & purchase of VLV packages, the Admin for The Business would be horrendous. The bottom line, of course, is that the Vendor can set any Rules, Terms & conditions they deem reasonable. Once again, I respectfully ask, can we keep this thread for SPT Manchester please. Our desire remains to make SPT Manchester a happy occasion for all who try to qualify and or attend. It's an uphill battle, though. Posted by Tikay10
My last post crossed with your request-apologies. Not easy typing and multitabling. Don't agree with all you've said, but no intention of ruining a good thread-completely agree with Jac-looking forward to SPT
Sorry for the late reply. Ijust wanted to clarify if someone that won a package was unable to attend can they sell the package or will it be offered to the next person. I gathered the answer is neither. But now Im a little unclear if there are special circumstances which one of the above could happen. Im not here to upset anyone though especailly you Tikay, however and I detect I have done this so I apologise if that was the case. Regards Ger Posted by gerardirl
If your question was really about Mission SPT - & I assumed & still assume it was - then no, you have neither upset or annoyed me. I am here to be first responder, & help make the Sky Poker experience better, so I'm fine with reasonable questions & I don't swerve or cherry pick them & never have. No other site offers this service that I know of.
I consider you & I to be virtual friends, so I took the questions at face value.
If the question was really a "hook" to have a dig about VLV, then yes, I would have been disappointed, as you could have sent me a PM rather than asked in public & set off all this bickering & ruined what was intended to be a happy thread. But I repeat, I took the question at face value, so no, there's no problem with you & I & no need for an apology.
Once again, the rules state this:
"Can I transfer my package to another player?
Unfortunately not, so make sure you're available on the day before you try to qualify."
They also state this;
"Please check your availability before participating in this promotion as no cash or alternative prize will be offered as compensation for any player who cannot play."
There can somtimes be awkward or genine extenuating circumstsnces when an enlightened Management will allow a rule to be bent, or even broken - that is the perogative of The Business. Players have benefitted from this on occasion, but of course some folks use that as an excuse to cry "foul".
Sky Poker never have, & do not, set out to upset or diddle anyone. However, difficult circumstances arise from time to time, & Sky Poker deal with them as best as they can. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise, tbh.
In it's eleventh year of operation, Sky Poker have never sold anyone short, & from what I see from where I sit, the current Management won't be changing that.
Any chance we can get back to SPT Mnchester now, & try to make it an enjoyable occasion for all?
Yes my question was about SPT and thank you for your reply. Maybe I willqualify next weekand you can clip my ear if we meet in Manchester for being naughty .
How's your day going so far Tikay? Posted by Donttelmum
Jeez......
Ever wondered why other sites all closed their Poker Forums?
Will you be in Manchester? If so, I'll buy you a drink.
I'm hoping to introduce a lot of the players to Mr Channing, too. I did that with Stokey at a UKPC & he loved every minute, & so the plan is to do more of the same at Manchester, even set up a Channing Masterclass if time permits, or some fiver or Tenner SNG's with him, that sort of thing.
All the Staff will be there, too - well Sam, James, Mark & Kirsty, & personally I think it's great that they will all be there & players can meet them & chat.
Yes my question was about SPT and thank you for your reply. Maybe I willqualify next weekand you can clip my ear if we meet in Manchester for being naughty . Ger Posted by gerardirl
Well then you have not upset or offended me, & there is no need to apologise.
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I've no idea what point he was making about Viva Las Vegas & that was not the gist of his question.
Do you really think Sky Poker, 11 years in, are suddenly going to start diddling players out of their fair winnings?
I repeat my earlier comments. I don't approve of either party trying to mess around with packages or bend the rules, but there are often genuine situations where an exception will be made.
The bottom line here is that Sky Poker completely, 100%, honour their promises & guarantees. If 45 packages to Vegas were promised, 45 will have been awarded as fairly as it is reasonably possible. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise, Sky Poker have zero history for being unfair.
Everyone at Sky Poker is determined that SPT Manchester - & the subsequent SPT's - will be fun, enjoyable, memorable, & something players will remember happily for a long time.
The vast majority welcomed the return of the SPT's with something approaching glee, but now we are once again in Bicker Mode.
Can we please keep this thread dedicated to SPT Manchester from here on in, & I invite you all to help Sky Poker make the return of the SPT's a success.
That's what The Business is trying to do, but it needs the players to buy-in to the same philosophy.
Firstly, there are freeroll/promo qualifiers-if they cannot go, only right & proper cannot sell etc.
Secondly, there are the people who played final qualifiers, at £435/£1k plus (often more than 1). Why cannot such people sell their packages-Sky have already received their entitlement. If 1 or more of these players do not attend, what happens to the money?
I'm not having a pop at Sky-all sites do this. Diddling?-no. But there is the potential for a nice win for the house...in SPTs it will be added to the prizepool
Sky Poker purchase X packages in advance from a third party, & they are non-returnable.
There are no circumstances where jiggery-pokery can end up with Sky Poker benefitting from a spare package. If one comes spare at the last minute, a "Viva Last Vegas" Promo is run. If it becomes spare later, then it is distributed by Sky Poker in the fairest & most practical way possible. Why would they do otherwise?
Sky Poker paid - many months ago - for all the packages. An unused or spare package does not result in a refund to Sky Poker. There is zero potential for a "win for the house" here. If a package were unused, Sky Poker would not benefit by penny. The packages were paid for many months ago & the cost is non-refundable.
I'm really surprised you would think that Sky Poker would look to profit in such a manner, Phil, Sky Poker have zero history for that sort of thing.
The rules state, exceptional circumstances aside, that Packages cannot be sold or transferred. I would imagine the reason for this is that if a free market developed in the sale & purchase of VLV packages, the Admin for The Business would be horrendous. The bottom line, of course, is that the Vendor can set any Rules, Terms & conditions they deem reasonable.
Once again, I respectfully ask, can we keep this thread for SPT Manchester please.
Our desire remains to make SPT Manchester a happy occasion for all who try to qualify and or attend. It's an uphill battle, though.
I'm afraid you will have to wait a while for the answer to that, but SPT plans are well developed.
What I will tell you is this - & this is not a flippant or smartarse reply, it's the actual fact, though you may need to read between the lines.
As to date, cost & venue of future SPT's, you will be amongst the very first to know.
When you realise what that means, mine's a latte please, two sweeteners.
Don't agree with all you've said, but no intention of ruining a good thread-completely agree with Jac-looking forward to SPT
I consider you & I to be virtual friends, so I took the questions at face value.
If the question was really a "hook" to have a dig about VLV, then yes, I would have been disappointed, as you could have sent me a PM rather than asked in public & set off all this bickering & ruined what was intended to be a happy thread. But I repeat, I took the question at face value, so no, there's no problem with you & I & no need for an apology.
Once again, the rules state this:
"Can I transfer my package to another player?
Unfortunately not, so make sure you're available on the day before you try to qualify."
They also state this;
"Please check your availability before participating in this promotion as no cash or alternative prize will be offered as compensation for any player who cannot play."
Those rules can be seen HERE
There can somtimes be awkward or genine extenuating circumstsnces when an enlightened Management will allow a rule to be bent, or even broken - that is the perogative of The Business. Players have benefitted from this on occasion, but of course some folks use that as an excuse to cry "foul".
Sky Poker never have, & do not, set out to upset or diddle anyone. However, difficult circumstances arise from time to time, & Sky Poker deal with them as best as they can. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise, tbh.
In it's eleventh year of operation, Sky Poker have never sold anyone short, & from what I see from where I sit, the current Management won't be changing that.
Any chance we can get back to SPT Mnchester now, & try to make it an enjoyable occasion for all?
Ever wondered why other sites all closed their Poker Forums?
Will you be in Manchester? If so, I'll buy you a drink.
I'm hoping to introduce a lot of the players to Mr Channing, too. I did that with Stokey at a UKPC & he loved every minute, & so the plan is to do more of the same at Manchester, even set up a Channing Masterclass if time permits, or some fiver or Tenner SNG's with him, that sort of thing.
All the Staff will be there, too - well Sam, James, Mark & Kirsty, & personally I think it's great that they will all be there & players can meet them & chat.
Very much hope to see you in Manchester.