In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : Sky James points out your mistake. Let's look at the last 3 lines of your "apology" at 6:13 I didnt appreciate your reply, as throughout my working life I was encouraged to treat my customers with courtesy and respect. This advice proved invaluable to me. Nobody appreciates a smartarse. Do you really think that was called for? Do you not think you are being abusive to James? What's not to understand? Would you be happy if Sky James referred to you in those terms? And what has being Welsh got to do with it? Posted by Essexphil
I made a genuine mistake regarding when Tikays post was made. This was a genuine mistake, I wasnt being underhanded, or dishonest.
I was quite happy to apologise for this mistake. However I wasnt happy with the "clever"response I received. I felt it only right and proper to point this out.
My view is that anyone that views being called a smartarse as abuse needs to get a life.
That is my view, yours is obviously different.
This forum is choc full of differences of opinion.
Most "offical announcement" threads if generally positive and non-contraversial receive tumbleweed.
Anything that maybe favours one type of player over another (high v low stakes, high v low volume, cash v MTTs v SNGs) gets a volley of moans from those not favoured by that particular promotion.
The negative posts usually far outweigh the positive in these threads.
If I like something because it is good for the site overall or for me in particular I will try and comment positively. Imagine working hard as part of a team to come up with a promotion, or get SPTs back, announcing it and either getting no response or team moan filling the thread.
I am not a Sky sycophant though, I have complained about stuff too, but I do try and give constructive feedback and with reasons and suggestions.
This forum is choc full of differences of opinion. Posted by HAYSIE
I think you have answered your own OP question Haysie, with the above quote, as to why there are not a load of folk ready to bash any details they may see wrong with a Sky announcement.
I see plenty things I would like to be done differently. As an example... the OH8 BH's have done well (relatively speaking) since their introduction. I feel there is room to have quite a few more spread throughout the day and a weekly affair with a bigger buy in etc etc. It seems like a slight mistake to me not to pounce on the current momentum and have a load more.
That said... I realise the majority of the forum and site are NLHE players. A load of people might play the odd one so don't care too much. I realise the Sky staff will have their own ideas and they have been employed in these positions because someone feels they are well positioned to make these calls. I realise some SNG players will have concerns about traffic/liquidity. And I realise that some people just wont give a [insert expletive here]. So maybe more will be introduced in line with my personal preferences, maybe they won't. I just have to realise that not everyone sees things the way I do. I will still politely give an odd nudge and hope it works out but there are bigger things to worry about and the things I really like about Sky drastically outweigh the things I do not.
It is like this with many of the suggestions you make. Some would love your ideas to be implemented, some would not and the majority couldn't give a [expletive here]. I don't think you mean any harm whatsoever and I thoroughly enjoyed meeting you in Vegas last year and hopefully we can catch up on a future trip and share a couple of beers. That said I think it might just be the correct approach to realise that there are so many opinions to cater for (most of whom are somewhere in the middle and do not really care). Also Sky and the Sky staff will have their reasons (whether they are always correct or not). It is their baby so to speak, and while they should, and IMO definitely do listen to our feedback. The final decisions rest with them.
It is not like they are sitting in the office getting smashed on Buckfast, don't give a [expletive here], and are coming up with this stuff by joting the first thing that comes into their heads on the back of a ciggy packet. I mean look at the start time issue you mentioned. It wasn't because they hadn't considered it. There were restrictions with the venue and despite these restrictions they have listened to the feedback and are still trying to see if anything can be done. I personally just feel it is a great move to have the SPT stuff back at all.
Some of the stuff they come up with I will love, some I will hate and the vast majority will be somewhere in the middle. While I might voice my concerns on some points, I hope I do so in a way that demonstrates that I realise they are doing their best to do their job well, are receptive to feedback, and cannot possibly please us all.
As mentioned I personally think the positives drastically outweigh the negatives on Sky. I am guessing that you feel exactly the same way and that is why you play here. It just doesn't always come across like that when you pull the Sky folks up over several issues. They are just folks trying their best to do their jobs, listening to our feedback and making the final calls on such issues with those and many other points bore in mind. It looks to me like you intend your suggestions to be 'constructive feedback' but the choice of words means it doesn't always come across like this (I am not trying to be a smartass, just glancing at the OP title should show the negative spin I am alluding to).
RE The OP I am not sure I agree with you. Most "offical announcement" threads if generally positive and non-contraversial receive tumbleweed. Anything that maybe favours one type of player over another (high v low stakes, high v low volume, cash v MTTs v SNGs) gets a volley of moans from those not favoured by that particular promotion. The negative posts usually far outweigh the positive in these threads. If I like something because it is good for the site overall or for me in particular I will try and comment positively. Imagine working hard as part of a team to come up with a promotion, or get SPTs back, announcing it and either getting no response or team moan filling the thread. I am not a Sky sycophant though, I have complained about stuff too, but I do try and give constructive feedback and with reasons and suggestions. Posted by Phantom66
I respect your views, and if we all had the same opinion life would be pretty boring.
However I have seen many instances on the forum where there is a simple problem. Someone from Sky posts that the minor problem is sorted. Then some players that had no interest in, and nothing to do with the problem, will be posting wow thank you Sky, we love you etc etc, like someones life had been saved.
If playing poker til 4am was everybodys cup of tea then perhaps the WSOP will be changing the World Series next year. I think every SPT I have been to in the past has started at 2pm, and therefore finished at a reasonable time. How could you applaud a 4am finish? This looks like it will change, but with no thanks to the groupies.
Lastly,to qualify for the Last Vegas freeroll, the volume players were asked to get 4,000 points. That means spending £4,000 on the week. An extra £1500 above their norm, giving Sky an extra £150 per player. To qualify for a freeroll. Some players thought this was fair. Unbelievable. How deluded can you possibly be?
My working life was spent in sales, where it is imperative to have a positive attitude. However I see the importance of debate as a means to change things that are wrong.
In a small way all the players on the SPT can be thankful for getting a much better nights sleep, due to one of these debates. Yet if nothing was said, then it would have remained the same.
In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : I respect your views, and if we all had the same opinion life would be pretty boring. However I have seen many instances on the forum where there is a simple problem. Someone from Sky posts that the minor problem is sorted. Then some players that had no interest in, and nothing to do with the problem, will be posting wow thank you Sky, we love you etc etc, like someones life had been saved. If playing poker til 4am was everybodys cup of tea then perhaps the WSOP will be changing the World Series next year. I think every SPT I have been to in the past has started at 2pm, and therefore finished at a reasonable time. How could you applaud a 4am finish? This looks like it will change, but with no thanks to the groupies.Lastly,to qualify for the Last Vegas freeroll, the volume players were asked to get 4,000 points. That means spending £4,000 on the week. An extra £1500 above their norm, giving Sky an extra £150 per player. To qualify for a freeroll. Some players thought this was fair. Unbelievable. How deluded can you possibly be? My working life was spent in sales, where it is imperative to have a positive attitude. However I see the importance of debate as a means to change things that are wrong. In a small way all the players on the SPT can be thankful for getting a much better nights sleep, due to one of these debates. Yet if nothing was said, then it would have remained the same. Posted by HAYSIE
Irony?
The promo wasn't aimed towards you/volume players. You had had your chance via all the normal sat routes, of which by your own admission you played them all with no joy.
So they geared it towards a different market, and if you wanted in on it then you really had to earn it. Purposely making the points target large for volume players was probably to deter them and try and ensure the freeroll had more of their target audience.
In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : I think you have answered your own OP question Haysie, with the above quote, as to why there are not a load of folk ready to bash any details they may see wrong with a Sky announcement. I see plenty things I would like to be done differently. As an example... the OH8 BH's have done well (relatively speaking) since their introduction. I feel there is room to have quite a few more spread throughout the day and a weekly affair with a bigger buy in etc etc. It seems like a slight mistake to me not to pounce on the current momentum and have a load more. That said... I realise the majority of the forum and site are NLHE players. A load of people might play the odd one so don't care too much. I realise the Sky staff will have their own ideas and they have been employed in these positions because someone feels they are well positioned to make these calls. I realise some SNG players will have concerns about traffic/liquidity. And I realise that some people just wont give a [insert expletive here]. So maybe more will be introduced in line with my personal preferences, maybe they won't. I just have to realise that not everyone sees things the way I do. I will still politely give an odd nudge and hope it works out but there are bigger things to worry about and the things I really like about Sky drastically outweigh the things I do not. It is like this with many of the suggestions you make. Some would love your ideas to be implemented, some would not and the majority couldn't give a [expletive here]. I don't think you mean any harm whatsoever and I thoroughly enjoyed meeting you in Vegas last year and hopefully we can catch up on a future trip and share a couple of beers. That said I think it might just be the correct approach to realise that there are so many opinions to cater for (most of whom are somewhere in the middle and do not really care). Also Sky and the Sky staff will have their reasons (whether they are always correct or not). It is their baby so to speak, and while they should, and IMO definitely do listen to our feedback. The final decisions rest with them. It is not like they are sitting in the office getting smashed on Buckfast, don't give a [expletive here], and are coming up with this stuff by joting the first thing that comes into their heads on the back of a ciggy packet. I mean look at the start time issue you mentioned. It wasn't because they hadn't considered it. There were restrictions with the venue and despite these restrictions they have listened to the feedback and are still trying to see if anything can be done. I personally just feel it is a great move to have the SPT stuff back at all. Some of the stuff they come up with I will love, some I will hate and the vast majority will be somewhere in the middle. While I might voice my concerns on some points, I hope I do so in a way that demonstrates that I realise they are doing their best to do their job well, are receptive to feedback, and cannot possibly please us all. As mentioned I personally think the positives drastically outweigh the negatives on Sky. I am guessing that you feel exactly the same way and that is why you play here. It just doesn't always come across like that when you pull the Sky folks up over several issues. They are just folks trying their best to do their jobs, listening to our feedback and making the final calls on such issues with those and many other points bore in mind. It looks to me like you intend your suggestions to be 'constructive feedback' but the choice of words means it doesn't always come across like this (I am not trying to be a smartass, just glancing at the OP title should show the negative spin I am alluding to). Posted by markycash
I visited Buckfast Abbey a few years ago, for some reason I was expecting it to look like Motherwell town centre, but lo and behold, not an adidas tracksuit in site, never heard 'gonnae geez some cally fur ra bucky' never saw one fight, ended up buying some buckfast honey and had a lovely cream tea........every day is a schoolday.
WRT to SPT start times I was prepared to take whatever I am given if I qualify, doesn't mean I wouldnt prefer an earlier finish and in my case I could also make an earlier start.
As Sky have made clear though they can only request an earlier start time, it is up to the Casino hosting to set times.
Sky seemed to have prioritised a good struture over finish time which I would agree with.
If the start can be moved earler I am sure more people will be happy (although it may incovenience some on the Friday)
In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : I visited Buckfast Abbey a few years ago, for some reason I was expecting it to look like Motherwell town centre, but lo and behold, not an adidas tracksuit in site, never heard 'gonnae geez some cally fur ra bucky' never saw one fight, ended up buying some buckfast honey and had a lovely cream tea........every day is a schoolday. Posted by HENDRIK62
... and oblivious to everyone else there looking at you Hendrik and thinking, "ah, buckfast. everything is true after all".
In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : I think you have answered your own OP question Haysie, with the above quote, as to why there are not a load of folk ready to bash any details they may see wrong with a Sky announcement. I see plenty things I would like to be done differently. As an example... the OH8 BH's have done well (relatively speaking) since their introduction. I feel there is room to have quite a few more spread throughout the day and a weekly affair with a bigger buy in etc etc. It seems like a slight mistake to me not to pounce on the current momentum and have a load more. That said... I realise the majority of the forum and site are NLHE players. A load of people might play the odd one so don't care too much. I realise the Sky staff will have their own ideas and they have been employed in these positions because someone feels they are well positioned to make these calls. I realise some SNG players will have concerns about traffic/liquidity. And I realise that some people just wont give a [insert expletive here]. So maybe more will be introduced in line with my personal preferences, maybe they won't. I just have to realise that not everyone sees things the way I do. I will still politely give an odd nudge and hope it works out but there are bigger things to worry about and the things I really like about Sky drastically outweigh the things I do not. It is like this with many of the suggestions you make. Some would love your ideas to be implemented, some would not and the majority couldn't give a [expletive here]. I don't think you mean any harm whatsoever and I thoroughly enjoyed meeting you in Vegas last year and hopefully we can catch up on a future trip and share a couple of beers. That said I think it might just be the correct approach to realise that there are so many opinions to cater for (most of whom are somewhere in the middle and do not really care). Also Sky and the Sky staff will have their reasons (whether they are always correct or not). It is their baby so to speak, and while they should, and IMO definitely do listen to our feedback. The final decisions rest with them. It is not like they are sitting in the office getting smashed on Buckfast, don't give a [expletive here], and are coming up with this stuff by joting the first thing that comes into their heads on the back of a ciggy packet. I mean look at the start time issue you mentioned. It wasn't because they hadn't considered it. There were restrictions with the venue and despite these restrictions they have listened to the feedback and are still trying to see if anything can be done. I personally just feel it is a great move to have the SPT stuff back at all. Some of the stuff they come up with I will love, some I will hate and the vast majority will be somewhere in the middle. While I might voice my concerns on some points, I hope I do so in a way that demonstrates that I realise they are doing their best to do their job well, are receptive to feedback, and cannot possibly please us all. As mentioned I personally think the positives drastically outweigh the negatives on Sky. I am guessing that you feel exactly the same way and that is why you play here. It just doesn't always come across like that when you pull the Sky folks up over several issues. They are just folks trying their best to do their jobs, listening to our feedback and making the final calls on such issues with those and many other points bore in mind. It looks to me like you intend your suggestions to be 'constructive feedback' but the choice of words means it doesn't always come across like this (I am not trying to be a smartass, just glancing at the OP title should show the negative spin I am alluding to). Posted by markycash
Are you spying on me? This near-perfectly describes my working life.
I see this a positive post, why the moaning ? Hasie praises Sky for listening to feedback, and a bit of fun at the expense of a few "groupies ". The main thing is to have the SPT start times altered, this should also help the casino have players in early that may play the tables etc .
In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : ... and oblivious to everyone else there looking at you Hendrik and thinking, "ah, buckfast. everything is true after all". ;-) Posted by aussie09
Lol, I wore my best trackie bottoms along with my sovereign ring collection......
In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : I visited Buckfast Abbey a few years ago, for some reason I was expecting it to look like Motherwell town centre, but lo and behold, not an adidas tracksuit in site, never heard 'gonnae geez some cally fur ra bucky' never saw one fight, ended up buying some buckfast honey and had a lovely cream tea........every day is a schoolday. Posted by HENDRIK62
In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : Irony? The promo wasn't aimed towards you/volume players. You had had your chance via all the normal sat routes, of which by your own admission you played them all with no joy. So they geared it towards a different market, and if you wanted in on it then you really had to earn it. Purposely making the points target large for volume players was probably to deter them and try and ensure the freeroll had more of their target audience. Fair? I'd say it was totally fair. Posted by hhyftrftdr
I just wonder sometimes. How on earth do you know what market it was aimed at? The Chinese market perhaps, or maybe the South Korean market. The points targets suggest that the main aim was to recover the costs. Nothing wrong with that, they are a business after all. However if that was the aim then it was a complete failure from the number of runners point of view. Tikay posted that the intention was to give everyone a chance at qualifying. So I don't know where you get your false info from. Lambert 180 posted that he thought it would easily get over 1,000 runners. Just before it was due to start there were 136 registered. Therefore not an overwhelming success whichever market it was aimed at. Aussie may be able to give you details regarding the numbers of Chinese and South Koreans, I haven't a clue.
In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : I just wonder sometimes. How on earth do you know what market it was aimed at? The Chinese market perhaps, or maybe the South Korean market. The points targets suggest that the main aim was to recover the costs. Nothing wrong with that, they are a business after all. However if that was the aim then it was a complete failure from the number of runners point of view. Tikay posted that the intention was to give everyone a chance at qualifying. So I don't know where you get your false info from. Lambert 180 posted that he thought it would easily get over 1,000 runners. Just before it was due to start there were 136 registered. Therefore not an overwhelming success whichever market it was aimed at. Aussie may be able to give you details regarding the numbers of Chinese and South Koreans, I haven't a clue. Posted by HAYSIE
The ability to read between the lines is a great thing, try it sometime.
In Response to Re: Announcement Groupies. : I think you have answered your own OP question Haysie, with the above quote, as to why there are not a load of folk ready to bash any details they may see wrong with a Sky announcement. I see plenty things I would like to be done differently. As an example... the OH8 BH's have done well (relatively speaking) since their introduction. I feel there is room to have quite a few more spread throughout the day and a weekly affair with a bigger buy in etc etc. It seems like a slight mistake to me not to pounce on the current momentum and have a load more. That said... I realise the majority of the forum and site are NLHE players. A load of people might play the odd one so don't care too much. I realise the Sky staff will have their own ideas and they have been employed in these positions because someone feels they are well positioned to make these calls. I realise some SNG players will have concerns about traffic/liquidity. And I realise that some people just wont give a [insert expletive here]. So maybe more will be introduced in line with my personal preferences, maybe they won't. I just have to realise that not everyone sees things the way I do. I will still politely give an odd nudge and hope it works out but there are bigger things to worry about and the things I really like about Sky drastically outweigh the things I do not. It is like this with many of the suggestions you make. Some would love your ideas to be implemented, some would not and the majority couldn't give a [expletive here]. I don't think you mean any harm whatsoever and I thoroughly enjoyed meeting you in Vegas last year and hopefully we can catch up on a future trip and share a couple of beers. That said I think it might just be the correct approach to realise that there are so many opinions to cater for (most of whom are somewhere in the middle and do not really care). Also Sky and the Sky staff will have their reasons (whether they are always correct or not). It is their baby so to speak, and while they should, and IMO definitely do listen to our feedback. The final decisions rest with them. It is not like they are sitting in the office getting smashed on Buckfast, don't give a [expletive here], and are coming up with this stuff by joting the first thing that comes into their heads on the back of a ciggy packet. I mean look at the start time issue you mentioned. It wasn't because they hadn't considered it. There were restrictions with the venue and despite these restrictions they have listened to the feedback and are still trying to see if anything can be done. I personally just feel it is a great move to have the SPT stuff back at all. Some of the stuff they come up with I will love, some I will hate and the vast majority will be somewhere in the middle. While I might voice my concerns on some points, I hope I do so in a way that demonstrates that I realise they are doing their best to do their job well, are receptive to feedback, and cannot possibly please us all. As mentioned I personally think the positives drastically outweigh the negatives on Sky. I am guessing that you feel exactly the same way and that is why you play here. It just doesn't always come across like that when you pull the Sky folks up over several issues. They are just folks trying their best to do their jobs, listening to our feedback and making the final calls on such issues with those and many other points bore in mind. It looks to me like you intend your suggestions to be 'constructive feedback' but the choice of words means it doesn't always come across like this (I am not trying to be a smartass, just glancing at the OP title should show the negative spin I am alluding to). Posted by markycash
I have played on Sky since I started playing poker 9 or 10 years ago. I have played on other sites in addition, but have always preferred Sky. I have enjoyed both trips to Vegas that I have won, and many SPTs. I play a bit more now that I have retired, and have got a bit involved with the forum this year.
The majority of the stuff I have commented on in the forum has not been for personal gain, and the majority of criticism I have levelled at Sky has been regarding stuff that has affected many players.
I do know that nothing was ever changed by people keeping quiet. Equally nothing was ever changed by people agreeing with things that are patently wrong.
The most annoying thing they have done lately is the Last Vegas freeroll. I am not going back through that again but my latest comments are included in the reply to Phantom66 post straight after your post. I will say that even though the unfairness was so obvious, they wouldnt back down and rectify it. They would have gained much respect had they done so.
The SPT starting times are now being changed after the response on the forum. Sky are blaming the casino for this fiasco, which is probably not fair. Any casino will initially offer what is best for them. It is a negotiation.
Lets play a game, it is called, lets book a casino for an SPT. This is my post so I am in charge. You can be my right hand man. That means you do the donkey work.
So I say to you, right Marky we are doing an SPT on 4th August. We want it to be in Manchester. It will run on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. We want to start at 2pm and finish at midnight. Any casino will be happy to have 200 plus poker players as a captive audience for a weekend. Off you go.
Now if you come back and say Ive got one but they want us to play in the middle of the night. As your boss, I would be thinking how many casinos are there in Manchester? In fact does it even have to be Manchester? How many casinos do we have a relationship with, that will give us exactly what we want? We are Sky. We are the customer. Should I go and sort it out myself?
If I was prepared to accept what the casino offered the outcome would be my fault, as I am the boss and get paid the most.
I am sure the players will turn up whatever happens, but this sort of arrangement lets them down.
If I sent you out to buy me a Man Utd shirt, you go to one shop, and come back with a Celtic shirt because they had run out of Man Utd shirts, that would be wrong. I would expect you to try another few shops and get exactly what I had asked for. It wouldnt be very long before you were fired for too many Celtic shirts. So if you want to continue as my right hand man, best get your finger out.
Getting back to your post, it was long and alluded to things. After reading it a couple of times I am not really sure that I understand fully everything that you are alluding to. For instance there is mention of the title and negativity. The title is what the post is about, and exactly that.
I was pointing out that there are players on the site that greet every announcement made by Sky like it was a lottery win, and agree with absolutely everything that Sky do. Even down to ridiculous starting times.
All my posts are honest, impart my genuine feelings, and state my thoughts as clearly as possible.
I think your post could have much more clearly stated what you wanted to say. I like Ronseal posts, and I can stand a bit of crticism I have got broad shoulders.
Just to finish off, if I was going to crticise the powers that be I would say that they cherry pick the posts that they reply to.
Heres an example. We were recently told that around 20% less people play in the Summer rather than Winter, so the guarantees were being reduced accordingly. This was around a week after a UKOPS and a couple of weeks before a £30,000 game. I asked the question why there was going to be 20% less every night except Tuesday, and Friday as those guarantees stayed the same. This was ignored, as was Jac35 post in January asking why the guarantees are continually dropping. January is obviously Winter and guarantees were being dropped for other reasons.
I cant speak for Jac, but I wasnt asking the question out of a wish to get Sky to reinstate the guarantees, and bankrupt them through the overlay,but to explore the possibility that there were other reasons. Like the tournament schedule, the number of Bounty Hunters etc.
There is normally noone around for the difficult questions.
Despite the fact that Tikay thinks that we are butchers, bakers etc. and know nothing about anything very much. HaHa.
Good luck on the tables.
ps Did anyone know that Tikay was in school with John "Sonny" Franzese the Italian mob boss.
In Response to Re: MTT changes & discussion thread:
What do you think the reason is for Sky having to reduce the guarantees on a regular basis now? I get that in the Summer people play less but the winter months are generally acknowledged as the best times for UK based online poker. Not trolling. It's just that i'm surprised as we hear often enough that Sky is having year on year growth. Is Poker itself growing on Sky or is it that figure across all platforms? Posted by Jac35
Perhaps they will come up with some more attractive tournaments during this review, and maybe more satellites for the bigger buy ins.
I was talking generally as I thought the OP was. WRT to SPT start times I was prepared to take whatever I am given if I qualify, doesn't mean I wouldnt prefer an earlier finish and in my case I could also make an earlier start. As Sky have made clear though they can only request an earlier start time, it is up to the Casino hosting to set times. Sky seemed to have prioritised a good struture over finish time which I would agree with. If the start can be moved earler I am sure more people will be happy (although it may incovenience some on the Friday) Posted by Phantom66
Decent starting times would not need to alter the structure.
Comments
I made a genuine mistake regarding when Tikays post was made. This was a genuine mistake, I wasnt being underhanded, or dishonest.
I see plenty things I would like to be done differently. As an example... the OH8 BH's have done well (relatively speaking) since their introduction. I feel there is room to have quite a few more spread throughout the day and a weekly affair with a bigger buy in etc etc. It seems like a slight mistake to me not to pounce on the current momentum and have a load more.
That said... I realise the majority of the forum and site are NLHE players. A load of people might play the odd one so don't care too much. I realise the Sky staff will have their own ideas and they have been employed in these positions because someone feels they are well positioned to make these calls. I realise some SNG players will have concerns about traffic/liquidity. And I realise that some people just wont give a [insert expletive here]. So maybe more will be introduced in line with my personal preferences, maybe they won't. I just have to realise that not everyone sees things the way I do. I will still politely give an odd nudge and hope it works out but there are bigger things to worry about and the things I really like about Sky drastically outweigh the things I do not.
It is like this with many of the suggestions you make. Some would love your ideas to be implemented, some would not and the majority couldn't give a [expletive here]. I don't think you mean any harm whatsoever and I thoroughly enjoyed meeting you in Vegas last year and hopefully we can catch up on a future trip and share a couple of beers. That said I think it might just be the correct approach to realise that there are so many opinions to cater for (most of whom are somewhere in the middle and do not really care). Also Sky and the Sky staff will have their reasons (whether they are always correct or not). It is their baby so to speak, and while they should, and IMO definitely do listen to our feedback. The final decisions rest with them.
It is not like they are sitting in the office getting smashed on Buckfast, don't give a [expletive here], and are coming up with this stuff by joting the first thing that comes into their heads on the back of a ciggy packet. I mean look at the start time issue you mentioned. It wasn't because they hadn't considered it. There were restrictions with the venue and despite these restrictions they have listened to the feedback and are still trying to see if anything can be done. I personally just feel it is a great move to have the SPT stuff back at all.
As mentioned I personally think the positives drastically outweigh the negatives on Sky. I am guessing that you feel exactly the same way and that is why you play here. It just doesn't always come across like that when you pull the Sky folks up over several issues. They are just folks trying their best to do their jobs, listening to our feedback and making the final calls on such issues with those and many other points bore in mind. It looks to me like you intend your suggestions to be 'constructive feedback' but the choice of words means it doesn't always come across like this (I am not trying to be a smartass, just glancing at the OP title should show the negative spin I am alluding to).
... and oblivious to everyone else there looking at you Hendrik and thinking, "ah, buckfast. everything is true after all".
;-)
I see this a positive post, why the moaning ? Hasie praises Sky for listening to feedback,
and a bit of fun at the expense of a few "groupies ".
The main thing is to have the SPT start times altered, this should also help the casino have
players in early that may play the tables etc .
How on earth do you know what market it was aimed at? The Chinese market perhaps, or maybe the South Korean market.
The points targets suggest that the main aim was to recover the costs. Nothing wrong with that, they are a business after all. However if that was the aim then it was a complete failure from the number of runners point of view.
Tikay posted that the intention was to give everyone a chance at qualifying. So I don't know where you get your false info from.
Lambert 180 posted that he thought it would easily get over 1,000 runners.
Just before it was due to start there were 136 registered.
Therefore not an overwhelming success whichever market it was aimed at. Aussie may be able to give you details regarding the numbers of Chinese and South Koreans, I haven't a clue.
Re: MTT changes & discussion thread
First: 20/6/2009
Last: 24/6/2017
Posted by Jac35