Haysie, if you wanted to keep Tonto out of this thread, why oh why did you make the analogy food based. Now, not only have you piqued his interest, but on one of his specialist subjects. Good luck,
No I don't like bounty hunters because people play much looser and with little regard for the actual value of their hands. They get blinded by the bounties on offer and this leads to a manic style of gameplay which isn't for me.
No I don't like bounty hunters because people play much looser and with little regard for the actual value of their hands. They get blinded by the bounties on offer and this leads to a manic style of gameplay which isn't for me.
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Mark
This is a good thing. You want people to make bad calls. If you have kings and people will just fold in a deepstack but call in a bounty hunter then this is good news for us.
it is demand led. over time the demand has changed and the supply has responded. if things were supply led we would still have things like tippex, encyclopedias or newspapers. we can turn back the clock but these things would either return to today's position or disappear quite quickly.
a good living example is plo8. sky poker holds this option open. it too is demand led. if you tried to make it supply led at the expense of alternatives the sky poker business might suffer.
i think it is a matter of embracing the new normal.
Ok then why do you think that the numbers of players do not seem to be increasing? Why do poker stars favour freezeouts massively compared to bounty hunters? Why isn't the Sunday Major a bounty hunter? Why isn't the UKOPS main event a bounty hunter? I think the chip shop would be much better operating with a full range of products, but with better stock control to avoid throwing stuff away.
Couple of years ago Stars didn't have any type of bounty hunter games. Now they have a plethora of knockouts/progressive knockouts in their schedules, its far from all freezeouts over there these days.
They also have a global player base and can run MTTs (regardless of the type) day and night without much fear of overlay. Sky don't have that luxury.
Ok then why do you think that the numbers of players do not seem to be increasing? they are increasing. to answer properly though we need to look in greater detail. e.g. newbies, people playing more, playing more often, spending more etc. i know the answers to the numbers... generally i believe that sky poker continue to perform well and above the norm in a slightly diminishing market
Why do poker stars favour freezeouts massively compared to bounty hunters? no idea
Why isn't the Sunday Major a bounty hunter? it might become one
Why isn't the UKOPS main event a bounty hunter? it might become one too. probably not for a while as top/good rich players will arrive from elsewhere to a tournament structure that is not outwith their comfort zone.
I think the chip shop would be much better operating with a full range of products, but with better stock control to avoid throwing stuff away. yes, but not a chip shop that sells tippex.
Haysie, if you wanted to keep Tonto out of this thread, why oh why did you make the analogy food based. Now, not only have you piqued his interest, but on one of his specialist subjects. Good luck,
they are increasing. to answer properly though we need to look in greater detail. e.g. newbies, people playing more, playing more often, spending more etc. i know the answers to the numbers... generally i believe that sky poker continue to perform well and above the norm in a slightly diminishing market
Maybe it is just the tournaments that I play then, as the numbers seem to be standing still or declining, rather than increasing. What happens to the Winter players that don't play in the Summer? Do they hibernate, migrate, or something else? When does Winter start?
Couple of years ago Stars didn't have any type of bounty hunter games. Now they have a plethora of knockouts/progressive knockouts in their schedules, its far from all freezeouts over there these days.
They also have a global player base and can run MTTs (regardless of the type) day and night without much fear of overlay. Sky don't have that luxury.
The last time I was on there the freezeouts still massively outnumbered the bounty hunters. I don't think that many of the regular players would recommend that Sky spent lots of money propping up unpopular tournaments, as it could only be for the short term anyway.
Why isn't the UKOPS main event a bounty hunter? it might become one too. probably not for a while as top/good rich players will arrive from elsewhere to a tournament structure that is not outwith their comfort zone.
Why do you think these players don't play more often on Sky?
they are increasing. to answer properly though we need to look in greater detail. e.g. newbies, people playing more, playing more often, spending more etc. i know the answers to the numbers... generally i believe that sky poker continue to perform well and above the norm in a slightly diminishing market
Maybe it is just the tournaments that I play then, as the numbers seem to be standing still or declining, rather than increasing. What happens to the Winter players that don't play in the Summer? Do they hibernate, migrate, or something else? When does Winter start?
i think that it is a declining market. i believe that players want shorter faster more gambly(?) games (we chatted about this ages back, remember the county cricket -v- 20/20 chat?).
sky poker does well compared to others, imo, because it has evolved in response to the market. you will know many examples of companies falling by the wayside who have been unwilling to adapt.
they are increasing. to answer properly though we need to look in greater detail. e.g. newbies, people playing more, playing more often, spending more etc. i know the answers to the numbers... generally i believe that sky poker continue to perform well and above the norm in a slightly diminishing market
With an answer like that, a career in politics beckons. All I was interested to know was what the number of players was actually doing. I can see, just looking at your website that there is a regular number of new players daily. So assuming that there is a regular number of new players, but the number of players actually playing is maintained, or even declines a bit, doesn't this mean that the number of new recruits is being matched, or exceeded by players leaving. The players being lost must either be giving up poker, or playing elsewhere. If they are playing elsewhere, there will be a reason for that. Surely you cant judge the popularity of the tournament schedule by anything other than by the number of players, playing it. I have said previously that I don't care about bounty hunters particularly, although I suppose that a better variety of tournaments would be less boring. However I don't think you can argue that Sky have a popular tournament schedule, if you have a constant supply of new players, yet the number of players that play on a daily basis is slightly declining.
they are increasing. to answer properly though we need to look in greater detail. e.g. newbies, people playing more, playing more often, spending more etc. i know the answers to the numbers... generally i believe that sky poker continue to perform well and above the norm in a slightly diminishing market
With an answer like that, a career in politics beckons.
All I was interested to know was what the number of players was actually doing. I can see, just looking at your website that there is a regular number of new players daily. So assuming that there is a regular number of new players, but the number of players actually playing is maintained, or even declines a bit, doesn't this mean that the number of new recruits is being matched, or exceeded by players leaving. The players being lost must either be giving up poker, or playing elsewhere. If they are playing elsewhere, there will be a reason for that. Surely you cant judge the popularity of the tournament schedule by anything other than by the number of players, playing it. I have said previously that I don't care about bounty hunters particularly, although I suppose that a better variety of tournaments would be less boring. However I don't think you can argue that Sky have a popular tournament schedule, if you have a constant supply of new players, yet the number of players that play on a daily basis is slightly declining.
i look at the major tournaments only. the numbers who play these are a good indicator to the performance of sky poker, i believe. i know the stats for all players, tournaments, day/week/month/year and past years. i know the profit and loss of everything.
i have background figures but of little interest to others and therefore do not appear on my website. i am interested to see what is happening, for example the number of points necessary to get into the top 100 players. however, there are several key measures that show that this section of the business is improving. other measures include density, averages, totals and i look at trends and patterns.
the issue of newbies versus leavers or dormant players is interesting. i believe that it is a close run thing. probably a net minus figure. last month newbies...
i would guess that the number of newbies is probably double this number. in fact, i would say more than double these. i could do some work on this but it isn't greatly important.
sky poker could attract thousands of new players each month if they choose to. we have seen promotions in the past. these newbies are not necessarily sticky or committed and not always unique. newbie count is not really helpful to assess performance and growth.
the key measures i have show that growth is in the top 100 leagues of the our major MTTs. i would put forward that to focus on growth here is most important to the future prospects of sky poker.
one additional point is that the rake that sky poker takes on the several thousand major mtts each year shows that this performance is solid. sky poker has been less cavalier with guarantees this year. @Sky_James has been doing a good job, i think.
ideally, there should be a 10% rake gap between money in and money out, however, overlay erodes this. the gap this year compared to previous years indicates that performance growth is likely to be real
Ok, but surely that makes it very difficult to assess the popularity of anything. Unless you knew the reason why over 1,000 players per month were leaving, or not playing, how could you assess anything?
Ok, but surely that makes it very difficult to assess the popularity of anything. Unless you knew the reason why over 1,000 players per month were leaving, or not playing, how could you assess anything?
anecdotally... radioactivity and decay is measured by its half-life adding meaning to something which otherwise would be quite immeasurable.
Could you not argue that Sky is standing still by finding around 1,000 new players each month (which must be quite difficult), but losing a similar number by running an unattractive tournament schedule?
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isn't this exactly what has happened?
it is demand led. over time the demand has changed and the supply has responded. if things were supply led we would still have things like tippex, encyclopedias or newspapers. we can turn back the clock but these things would either return to today's position or disappear quite quickly.
a good living example is plo8. sky poker holds this option open. it too is demand led. if you tried to make it supply led at the expense of alternatives the sky poker business might suffer.
i think it is a matter of embracing the new normal.
Ok then why do you think that the numbers of players do not seem to be increasing?
Why do poker stars favour freezeouts massively compared to bounty hunters?
Why isn't the Sunday Major a bounty hunter?
Why isn't the UKOPS main event a bounty hunter?
I think the chip shop would be much better operating with a full range of products, but with better stock control to avoid throwing stuff away.
They also have a global player base and can run MTTs (regardless of the type) day and night without much fear of overlay. Sky don't have that luxury.
Ok then why do you think that the numbers of players do not seem to be increasing?
they are increasing. to answer properly though we need to look in greater detail. e.g. newbies, people playing more, playing more often, spending more etc. i know the answers to the numbers... generally i believe that sky poker continue to perform well and above the norm in a slightly diminishing market
Why do poker stars favour freezeouts massively compared to bounty hunters?
no idea
Why isn't the Sunday Major a bounty hunter?
it might become one
Why isn't the UKOPS main event a bounty hunter?
it might become one too. probably not for a while as top/good rich players will arrive from elsewhere to a tournament structure that is not outwith their comfort zone.
I think the chip shop would be much better operating with a full range of products, but with better stock control to avoid throwing stuff away.
yes, but not a chip shop that sells tippex.
Maybe it is just the tournaments that I play then, as the numbers seem to be standing still or declining, rather than increasing.
What happens to the Winter players that don't play in the Summer? Do they hibernate, migrate, or something else? When does Winter start?
They also have a global player base and can run MTTs (regardless of the type) day and night without much fear of overlay. Sky don't have that luxury.
The last time I was on there the freezeouts still massively outnumbered the bounty hunters.
I don't think that many of the regular players would recommend that Sky spent lots of money propping up unpopular tournaments, as it could only be for the short term anyway.
it might become one too. probably not for a while as top/good rich players will arrive from elsewhere to a tournament structure that is not outwith their comfort zone.
Why do you think these players don't play more often on Sky?
i think that it is a declining market. i believe that players want shorter faster more gambly(?) games (we chatted about this ages back, remember the county cricket -v- 20/20 chat?).
sky poker does well compared to others, imo, because it has evolved in response to the market. you will know many examples of companies falling by the wayside who have been unwilling to adapt.
With an answer like that, a career in politics beckons.
All I was interested to know was what the number of players was actually doing. I can see, just looking at your website that there is a regular number of new players daily.
So assuming that there is a regular number of new players, but the number of players actually playing is maintained, or even declines a bit, doesn't this mean that the number of new recruits is being matched, or exceeded by players leaving.
The players being lost must either be giving up poker, or playing elsewhere. If they are playing elsewhere, there will be a reason for that.
Surely you cant judge the popularity of the tournament schedule by anything other than by the number of players, playing it.
I have said previously that I don't care about bounty hunters particularly, although I suppose that a better variety of tournaments would be less boring.
However I don't think you can argue that Sky have a popular tournament schedule, if you have a constant supply of new players, yet the number of players that play on a daily basis is slightly declining.
thank you.
i look at the major tournaments only. the numbers who play these are a good indicator to the performance of sky poker, i believe. i know the stats for all players, tournaments, day/week/month/year and past years. i know the profit and loss of everything.
i have background figures but of little interest to others and therefore do not appear on my website. i am interested to see what is happening, for example the number of points necessary to get into the top 100 players. however, there are several key measures that show that this section of the business is improving. other measures include density, averages, totals and i look at trends and patterns.
the issue of newbies versus leavers or dormant players is interesting. i believe that it is a close run thing. probably a net minus figure. last month newbies...
i would guess that the number of newbies is probably double this number. in fact, i would say more than double these. i could do some work on this but it isn't greatly important.
sky poker could attract thousands of new players each month if they choose to. we have seen promotions in the past. these newbies are not necessarily sticky or committed and not always unique. newbie count is not really helpful to assess performance and growth.
the key measures i have show that growth is in the top 100 leagues of the our major MTTs. i would put forward that to focus on growth here is most important to the future prospects of sky poker.
that, and spin-ups.
ideally, there should be a 10% rake gap between money in and money out, however, overlay erodes this. the gap this year compared to previous years indicates that performance growth is likely to be real
anecdotally... radioactivity and decay is measured by its half-life adding meaning to something which otherwise would be quite immeasurable.