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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953
    tomgoodun said:

    The National Health Service may have to be replaced with an insurance system within the next decade, Nigel Farage has said.

    The Ukip leader said anyone who believed the current way of paying for medical care in the UK had to be preserved “frankly isn’t thinking” and that he was open to “rethink[ing] the whole thing”.

    Slightly different to the words on the bus then..

    This Bus?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG1U1O7Dj9c
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953

    https://youtu.be/iVjhs3gVtJE
    Skip to 39 mins(Final Decision)


    Is the EU referendum legally binding?



    The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain.
    This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Brexit news latest: Britain's counter-terror chief says no-deal outcome would leave UK and EU in 'very bad place'

    The country's most senior counter-terrorism police officer has said he finds the prospect of a no-deal Brexit "incredibly concerning".
    Leaving the European Union without continued access to shared data and intelligence systems would put the UK and Europe in a "very bad place", Neil Basu said.
    The head of UK counter-terrorism policing said there was a central team working on contingency plans to understand how to cope with a no-deal divorce from the bloc.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-news-latest-britains-counter-terror-chief-says-no-deal-outcome-would-leave-uk-and-eu-in-very-bad-place/ar-BBSC42m?ocid=spartandhp

    Project fear is back, :D:D:D
    How do you differentiate project fear from the truth?
    What do you think his motive for lying would be?
    If you read the whole story, it never says Great Britain and Europe will not share information.

    Mr Basu said there was a central team working on contingency plans, while counter-terrorism police liaison officers were "embedded" in embassies and agencies in Europe.
    "They are working very hard with their counterparts to understand how we cope if there is a no-deal Brexit, but as I said, a no-deal Brexit for operational security would be a very bad thing," Mr Basu said.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953
    edited January 2019
    Lord Snooty has a cunning plan.

    Shut down Parliament to block rebel plans to delay Brexit, Rees-Mogg suggests


    The eurosceptic said the Government could use its powers of ;prorogation; to stop a bill attempting to keep the UK in the EU beyond March 29
    Theresa May should shut down Parliament completely if a rebel backbench attempt to remove the threat of a no-deal Brexit is successful, Jacob Rees-Mogg has has said.
    The leading Tory Brexiteer said that the Government must use its powers of “prorogation” to block a cross-party attempt to extend Article 50 to create more time to find a workable deal with Brussels.
    Such a move would be a massive constitutional step as it would involve the agreement of the Queen to bring the current session of Parliament to a premature end.
    He told a meeting of the hardline eurosceptic Bruges Group that an amendment tabled by Labour’s Yvette Cooper and Tory Nick Boles was a “constitutional outrage” supported by MPs who wanted to prevent Brexit from happening at all.

    He said that no-deal could only be taken off the table if the Government “connived in doing it”.




    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/shut-down-parliament-block-rebel-161944359.html
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    HAYSIE said:

    https://youtu.be/iVjhs3gVtJE
    Skip to 39 mins(Final Decision)


    Is the EU referendum legally binding?



    The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain.
    This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament
    How do you think that will go down with the Great British public ?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953

    HAYSIE said:

    https://youtu.be/iVjhs3gVtJE
    Skip to 39 mins(Final Decision)


    Is the EU referendum legally binding?



    The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain.
    This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament
    How do you think that will go down with the Great British public ?
    Just stating a fact.
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186

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    Scotland Yard Assistant Commissioner Mr Basu said: "For counter-terrorism we have a lot of bilateral relationships, it is a devolved power for countries, it is not an EU power, so we are confident that my counterparts in those 27 countries want to exchange information with us and we are working very hard to make sure we put that in place
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    https://youtu.be/iVjhs3gVtJE
    Skip to 39 mins(Final Decision)


    Is the EU referendum legally binding?



    The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain.
    This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament
    How do you think that will go down with the Great British public ?
    Just stating a fact.
    The facts are before the vote , many mps including cameron and anna sourface said they would go with whatever the People decided.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953


    __________________________________________________________________________________

    Scotland Yard Assistant Commissioner Mr Basu said: "For counter-terrorism we have a lot of bilateral relationships, it is a devolved power for countries, it is not an EU power, so we are confident that my counterparts in those 27 countries want to exchange information with us and we are working very hard to make sure we put that in place

    I hope they do, but they don't have any agreement yet.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    https://youtu.be/iVjhs3gVtJE
    Skip to 39 mins(Final Decision)


    Is the EU referendum legally binding?



    The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain.
    This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament
    How do you think that will go down with the Great British public ?
    Just stating a fact.
    The facts are before the vote , many mps including cameron and anna sourface said they would go with whatever the People decided.

    Give me a bit of time to think about whether in my lifetime, a politician has ever said something that hasn't happened.
    I will get back to you.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953
    David Davis paid £96,000 for part-time roles since quitting cabinet

    It is a matter for debate whether the country has fared better or worse since David Davis resigned as Brexit secretary. In much less doubt are his personal fortunes: the MP is receiving almost £100,000 from two part-time business posts.
    The latest register of MPs interests shows Davis has acquired two new jobs on top of his role representing Haltemprice and Howden in parliament. One, as an “external adviser” to JCB, makes him £60,000 for 20 hours of work per year.
    Anthony Bamford, the digger company’s chairman, is among the few high-profile businesspeople to be a strong advocate of Brexit. He quit the CBI in protest against the business group’s contrary view.
    Another of Davis’s new interests is as board member for Mansfelder Kupfer und Messing, a German manufacturing company, for which he is paid £36,085 for the six months from December. He is also “eligible for the management incentive plan”.


    The financial fortunes of Boris Johnson, who also left the cabinet in protest against Theresa May’s planned Brexit deal, have also risen since he returned to the backbenches. The register of interests shows Uxbridge and South Ruislip’s MP, who is paid almost £23,000 a month for his Daily Telegraph column, received £28,900 for a single speaking engagement in December.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/david-davis-paid-£96000-for-part-time-roles-since-quitting-cabinet/ar-BBSE88A?ocid=spartandhp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    https://youtu.be/iVjhs3gVtJE
    Skip to 39 mins(Final Decision)


    Is the EU referendum legally binding?



    The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain.
    This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament
    How do you think that will go down with the Great British public ?
    Just stating a fact.
    The facts are before the vote , many mps including cameron and anna sourface said they would go with whatever the People decided.

    Also we have had a General Election since the referendum.


    Parliament's authority - UK Parliament
    www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty
    Parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK constitution. It makes Parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law. Generally, the courts cannot overrule its legislation and no Parliament can pass laws that future Parliaments cannot change. Parliamentary sovereignty is the most important part of the UK constitution
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953
    Theresa May should have resigned long ago. We deserve better than this


    The catastrophic handling of Brexit highlights to what extent our political process is now mired in the mud.
    Theresa May has suffered no fewer than 27 Commons defeats, 10 of them in connection with Brexit. In no previous era of British politics could such a calamitous prime minister have survived such a weight of defeats, including the humiliating historic loss she recently suffered over the withdrawal agreement.
    In the past, losing a vote of confidence on a key piece of legislation was considered sufficient to stand down. For example, having split his party over the Corn Laws in 1846, Sir Robert Peel resigned as prime minister after the defeat of his Irish Coercion Bill. Gladstone was also forced to resign in 1885, again after a defeat on the Irish issue.
    In terms of the modern era, four prime ministers resigned and four stepped down on alleged grounds of ill health. Indeed, two quit office after even winning key votes because their margins of victory made them seem moral defeats. Neville Chamberlain resigned in May 1940, despite having won the division on the disastrous Norway campaign, and Margaret Thatcher famously resigned despite her victory over Michael Heseltine in the first round of a Tory leadership contest.
    Realising the game was up, even David Cameron resigned after losing the Brexit referendum.

    It is a damning indictment of May and her party that she can even contemplate staying in office. The French philosopher and diplomat Joseph de Maistre famously said: “In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve.” I disagree, we deserve so much better than this humiliating shambles.




    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/theresa-may-resigned-long-ago-121254026.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953
    Brexit news latest: Jeremy Corbyn backs plans for vote to force second EU referendum



    Jeremy Corbyn has endorsed a plan for MPs to vote on whether a second Brexit referendum should be held.
    The Labour leader said he wants the Government to give MPs the final say in the Commons next week.
    If the majority back a referendum, Parliament could force Prime Minister Theresa May to hold a fresh public vote.
    Bowing to pressure from members of his party's MPs, Mr Corbyn said it is time Labour’s alternative plan took “centre stage”.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/brexit-news-latest-jeremy-corbyn-032700766.html
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    https://youtu.be/iVjhs3gVtJE
    Skip to 39 mins(Final Decision)


    Is the EU referendum legally binding?



    The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain.
    This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament
    How do you think that will go down with the Great British public ?
    Just stating a fact.
    The facts are before the vote , many mps including cameron and anna sourface said they would go with whatever the People decided.

    Also we have had a General Election since the referendum.


    Parliament's authority - UK Parliament
    www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty
    Parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK constitution. It makes Parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law. Generally, the courts cannot overrule its legislation and no Parliament can pass laws that future Parliaments cannot change. Parliamentary sovereignty is the most important part of the UK constitution
    Do not recall any mention of a second vote in manifesto.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    https://youtu.be/iVjhs3gVtJE
    Skip to 39 mins(Final Decision)


    Is the EU referendum legally binding?



    The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain.
    This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament
    How do you think that will go down with the Great British public ?
    Just stating a fact.
    The facts are before the vote , many mps including cameron and anna sourface said they would go with whatever the People decided.

    Also we have had a General Election since the referendum.


    Parliament's authority - UK Parliament
    www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty
    Parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK constitution. It makes Parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law. Generally, the courts cannot overrule its legislation and no Parliament can pass laws that future Parliaments cannot change. Parliamentary sovereignty is the most important part of the UK constitution
    Do not recall any mention of a second vote in manifesto.
    No the point I was making is that there has been a General Election since, therefore it is considered a different Government, even though it is still a Tory Government, and is not bound by the previous Government.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953
    Brexit: Almost 20 government ministers ‘meeting in secret’ to discuss plans to avoid no deal, reports say


    Nineteen ministers have been meeting in secret to discuss plans to stop Britain leaving the European Union without a deal, it has been reported.
    Senior figures in the cabinet, including Amber Rudd, Philip Hammond, Greg Clark and David Gauke, are all believed to be among the ministers who have been attending the fortnightly meetings aimed at formulating the best approach to prevent a no-deal Brexit.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-almost-20-government-ministers-‘meeting-in-secret’-to-discuss-plans-to-avoid-no-deal-reports-say/ar-BBSEy2N?ocid=spartandhp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953
    Brexit news latest: Likelihood second referendum will be held 'has risen sharply,' data shows

    The likelihood of a second Brexit referendum being held to break the political deadlock over the issue has “risen sharply”, data has suggested.
    Forecasting group the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU) put the probability of another poll at 50 per cent, up from 30 per cent following similar analysis two weeks ago.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-news-latest-likelihood-second-referendum-will-be-held-has-risen-sharply-data-shows/ar-BBSEqDN?ocid=spartandhp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953
    edited January 2019
    'No-deal' Brexit may lead to 'lockdowns', Kent schools told


    Schools in Kent have been advised to consider planning for "lockdowns" and "closures" in case of disruption following a "no-deal" Brexit.
    A six-page document posted online by Kent County Council warns - if the UK leaves the EU without a withdrawal agreement - there would likely be a "period of disruption to many areas of life in Kent" and that "any impact could be greater here than elsewhere in the UK".


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/no-deal-brexit-may-lead-to-lockdowns-kent-schools-told/ar-BBSEnQQ?ocid=spartandhp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,953
    Labour to join forces with Tory rebels to rule out no-deal Brexit

    A delay to Brexit Day looks more likely than ever after senior Labour figures indicated the party would formally would support backbench plans to block a no deal departure.
    Two of Jeremy Corbyn’s closest allies said Labour was “highly likely” to support an amendment led by Labour MP Yvette Cooper to prevent the UK crashing out.
    The Labour leader met Ms Cooper and fellow backbencher Rachel Reeves for what were described by the MPs as “productive and useful” talks.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/labour-to-join-forces-with-tory-rebels-to-rule-out-no-deal-brexit/ar-BBSEzK5?ocid=spartandhp
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